Obama says he doesn't favor impeachment of Bush, Cheney

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - US Senator Barack Obama says he doesn't favor impeachment proceedings for President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

Obama made that comment today in response to a question asked at a meeting in Washington with his Illinois constituents.

The Illinois Democrat says he's distressed by the Bush administration's ethical standards and secrecy. But the presidential hopeful says impeachment should be reserved for "grave" breaches of the president's authority.

Both Obama and US Senator Dick Durbin say having to deal with month after month of impeachment hearings wouldn't be in the best interest of America.



Read more: http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=6723196&nav=1sW7

[sabra]

1. "grave" breaches of the president's authority

like oral sex in the WH...

[Cha]

10. Rightio! Doesn't favor

impeachment until someone blows bush in the oval office..Clinton set the bar doncha know?

[Kikosexy2]

35. Gee...

maybe we should all email/write Obama a list of this evil administrations' breaches of authority including the current Darth Dick's so called exemption from the Executive Branch of government...Good Lord! WTF???

[Lorien]

103. Indeed. It's not like lying to the world to start an illegal war

that kills hundreds of thousands and sucks the treasury dry measures up to a blow job now, does it? :eyes:

Obama just lost my support.

[olddad56]

107. no high crimes or misdemeanors here.

okay, so he is responsible for a few hundred thousand innocent people being slaughtered. Hey, it isn't like they were republicans, or even Americans.

[Socal31]

137. Lets not re-write history....

Clinton was technically impeached for perjury (the same thing our pal libby is going down for). I know that not popular to say here, but im a realist.


However, we have a few things here that are a little worse than perjury, imho.

[RufusTFirefly]

2. Heaven forbid that we should actually adhere to the Constitution n/t

[Efilroft Sul]

3. I can think of about 3,570 grave instances... n/t

[marylanddem]

4. Bye Bye Obama

You just did yourself in.

[Botany]

5. Lying to start a war not grave enough?

Idiot!

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Has Obama ever publically stated that he believes that Bush lied to start the war?

:shrug:

[Zhade]

47. Does it fucking matter? All evidence shows b*s* et al did, in fact, lie to start an illegal war.

NT!

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. Whether or not Obama believes that would be very relevant to his position on impeachment

Are any of the candidates running for President supporting impeachment of Bush?

[Zhade]

60. His denial of the crimes is far more serious.

If the people eager to lead us don't recognize the serious criminality of this administration, I don't trust them to lead us.

[Demeter]

97. Amen!

[mountainvue]

100. Dennis Kucinich. n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

140. What support has Kucinich shown is impeaching Bush?

:shrug:

[Yukari Yakumo]

64. Unfortunately...

Lying when not under oath isn't impeachable.

And the "war" is legal, by US standards and the UN's. So that angle is not going to fly either.

[5X]

67. This war is illegal by all standards. Period. n/t

[Yukari Yakumo]

75. All standards?

Congress gave its stamp of approval.
So did the UN.

For all intended purposes, the war is legal within the rule of law.

[Demeter]

98. You Are Gravely Mistaken

The Congress never declared war, and is blackmailed into funding it by their political cowardice.

The UN has called it a breach. The next step will be an indictment for war crimes out of the ICC.

[Freddie Stubbs]

142. What exactly was this all about then?

H.J.RES.114

Title: To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.


Sponsor: Rep Hastert, J. Dennis (introduced 10/2/2002) Cosponsors (136)

Related Bills: H.RES.574, H.J.RES.110, S.J.RES.45, S.J.RES.46

Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 107-243

House Reports: 107-721

Note: S.J.Res. 45 was based on the original White House proposal authorizing the use of force in Iraq. H.J.Res. 114 and the substantially similar S.J.Res. 46 were modified proposals. H.J.Res. 110 was a separate proposal not considered on the floor.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00114:

[Amonester]

132. If so did the UN, why did the UN Sec. clearly declare it ILLEGAL?

Thursday, 16 September, 2004, 09:21 GMT 10:21 UK
...

Iraq war illegal, says Annan

The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.

He said the decision to take action in Iraq should have been made by the Security Council, not unilaterally.

...

When pressed on whether he viewed the invasion of Iraq as illegal, he said: "Yes, if you wish. I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."


Of course, it's from the BBC... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm


So, as far as the official rules are concerned, when a war is illegal, it means it isn't legal.

Period.


There is no "war is peace, black is white, down is up, losing is to win, etc. (i.e. the Bu$che "idiocy"...)" in the U.N. Charter.

Just like in the Constitution: the law is the law.

Bu$h/Cheney/Co broke it (and break it) daily...

Sorry Senator Obama, you've just proven you're not ready to make sure all criminals must be punished for breaking the rules (LAWS).

:mad:

[AndreaCG]

80. I thought lying to Congress is an indictable offense

Reardless of whethr you're under oath. More difficult to prove, maybe.

[Benhurst]

93. You're right. It is.

[ReadTomPaine]

6. So it's better to get your bills killed by the GOP and be called a "do-nothing" Senate?

What sorts of breaches make the grade, Barack?

Very disappointing. And some wonder why progressives are so cynical of late.

[karlrschneider]

7. Screw him.

:puke:

[emilyg]

24. What you said.

[Blue_In_AK]

9. They are all appeasers

I'm really not impressed by our slate of candidates. Show me something, you guys (and Hillary).

[redqueen]

59. Not even Kucinich?

:shrug:

[Blue_In_AK]

84. Of course, Kucinich and Gravel speak truth to power

but you and I both know neither of them stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination. They make entirely too much sense.

[redqueen]

85. Yeah...

well i still count them as candidates, nonetheless. :)

[Blue_In_AK]

86. Oh, I absolutely agree...

I just wish some of their "gumption" (for lack of a better word) would rub off on the others.

[redqueen]

90. You and me both...

I keep hoping for a strong showing in the primaries for them... so the other candidates might take note.

Guess I don't have to worry about that happening, based on the cheerleading (around here, even) for the corporate-friendly candidates.
x(

[Blaze Diem]

11. F You Obama..

weak man

Too weak to lead our Nation out of Bush's mess... Next???

[Doctor_J]

12. I have a new name for our people who say things like this

"Dry Powder Dems"

:puke:

[CrispyQ]

14. Good name!

And they don't get my vote!

[Divine Discontent]

77. very unimpressed with Obama's statement - VERY

this just in itself has nearly ELIMINATED my desires to work for him - I find bush & cheney some of the most nefarious men to walk free in the US... and he doesn't think they've done anything grave????

BYE BYE OBAMA!
I'm removing all of his stickers from my site. I will vote for him if he's our candidate unless there's a 3rd party candidate that's better. I'll never vote Republican in my life, but he & Hillary seem to align themselves a little too much to them sometimes.

[ixion]

123. Nice. I like it...

good phrase. :applause:

[EV_Ares]

13. That reasoning is enough for me not to support Obama. How far

do you have to go to be considered "grave breaches". My god misleading or lying to the american public to go to war. Death and destruction brought on by this president among illegal wiretapping, etc should be more than enough for a call to impeachment.

I am beginning to believe those that say the dems are weak and would not be strong enough to protect us in a war. They are afraid to go to war with this administration and the republican party on the issues.

[ljm2002]

15. Always like it when they let you know what they really think...

...makes it easier to choose between them.

For any of Obama's campaign staff who might read this: he just lost any hope of support from this Democrat.

[Misskittycat]

16. Very disappointing. It's one thing to say that impeachment might

be a distraction, but to say that no grave impeachable offenses have been committed is just sad. There have been so many grave impeachable offenses, it would be difficult to choose which ones to use as the basis of an impeachment action.

[Boo Boo]

17. Guess that all depends on what the meaning of the word "grave" is. /nt

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

18. Wellllll...

His stock, with me, didn't exactly go up.

And no, I have yet to decide on anyone, yet. Way too early.

[UrbScotty]

19. But he didn't say he flat-out opposes it (nt)

[last1standing]

28. That'd make a great bumpersticker.

OBAMA! HE DOESN'T FLAT-OUT OPPOSE UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION! (MAYBE)

That could win a lot of votes.

:sarcasm:

[redqueen]

61. thank you

i truly needed that laugh

[karlrschneider]

30. So he's wishy washy. Maybe that's why he's so "clean"

:eyes:

[cyberpj]

20. Have any major Dems come out in support of Impeachment? Just wondering. nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. No

[Zywiec]

33. Shhhhh, you'll upset the people who think everyone wants

impeachment, when in fact the only one supporting it is Kucinich. Even Gore is against it.

[last1standing]

36. It's one thing to not support impeachment.

It's entirely another to state that the crimes bush* has committed aren't serious. I'm sorry that Obama's so distressed by the actions of this white house, but I'm even more sorry that he doesn't seem to understand the gravity and far reaching effects of bush's* actions.

[BlueStater]

41. Well, Gore is wrong

And so is everyone else who opposes impeachment. They should all be ashamed.

These people just expect the American people to bend over and take this blatant lawbreaking and Constitution violations for another 18 months while they sit on their hands doing nothing. Disgusting.

Enjoy your short time in power, Dems.

[loudsue]

56. Gore IS NOT against it.

He has spoken often about all the laws this administration has broken, and has NEVER said he opposes impeachment for these crimes.

:kick:

[Zywiec]

72. Here's where Gore said he doesn't agree with impeachment

AL GORE: Well, with a year and a half to go in his term and with no consensus in the nation as a whole to support such a proposition, any realistic analysis of that as a policy option would lead one to question the allocation of time and resources.

GWEN IFILL: You don't think it's a good use of time?

AL GORE: Well, I don't think it is. I don't think it would be likely to be successful.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/jan-june07/gore_05-30.html


What do you have that shows he, or anyone else besides Kucinich supports it?

[Le Taz Hot]

38. Kucinich.

H.R. 333. Just because the Media has decided for you that he is not a "major Democrat" maybe, just maybe, you could support him -- at least his impeachment effort. Write your Congresscritter and ask him/her to support H.R. 333.

[redqueen]

63. Screw that... vote for him in the primary!

Send a message to these dry-powder dems!

[cyberpj]

69. I don't let the media decide for me. I already include Kucinich in the 'major' group...

I was thinking that there MUST BE some House Dems and fairly unknown Dems willing to say they support impeachment --- (I hope I'm at least right about that...) But I honestly didn't know the Kucinich position on it until now. And so very sad to see him have to stand alone among our primary candidates.

[tammywammy]

104. No

Why is anyone surprised by Obama's statement today? It's hardly surprising, with the time remaining in the Bush term, lack of votes in the Senate....no one should be shocked that the major candidates for president don't want to go down a doomed road. :shrug:

[mitchum]

21. Did he at least say it in a "strongly worded" way?

[Massachusetts]

22. "says he's distressed by the Bush administration's ethical standards ..."

http://harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275


Barack Obama Inc.:
The birth of a Washington machine

BY Ken Silverstein
PUBLISHED November 2006

[Benhurst]

23. Barak Obama: Not Ready for Prime Time. At this rate, he may never be.

I am disappointed and saddened.

[burf]

25. If Obama would support

sending Bush and Co to a war crimes tribunal for the lies told leading up to the war and crimes against humanity, then I could support the "no impeachment" position.

[volstork]

26. just lost my vote, asshole n/t

[last1standing]

27. Falsifying evidence is not "grave"?

Wiretapping US citizens without a warrant is not "grave"? How about signing statements that allow him to ignore the will of congress? Disrespecting congressional subpoenas doesn't do it? Leaking the name of undercover CIA agents isn't "grave" (how about treasonous)? Not even turning the Justice Department into an illegal election machine working to disenfranchise minority voters is enough?

I want to know exactly what Obama considers "grave" because I think his idea of the word is greatly at odds with that of the American people.

No candidate who says bush's* actions are not "grave" will gain my vote for president. To be honest, I just couldn't trust someone who thinks that way.

[loudsue]

58. Obama is financially supported by the National Democratic Network,

which is the arm of the DLC that gives financial and mentoring support to new Dem candidates. They are republican corporatists, and they are the ones that Obama is OBLIGATED (and signed a paper) to support.

:kick:

[radfringe]

29. He just lost my vote... n/t

[Highway61]

31. I always told my children

Be careful what you say as once the words are out, you can't take them back. Lost me(and others, I'm sure) on that one. His inexperience just showed...so....a BJ is "Grave"??? But lying about getting us into war which has resulted in 3,571 soldiers deaths (includes 111 suicides), and 25,830 wounded and God knows how many Iraqi deaths and wounded....isn't? :wtf:
Stick a fork in him, he's all done

[Zywiec]

34. So you wouldn't vote for him if he's the nominee?

[sueh]

78. No. I will write in Gore/Kucinich.

[Zywiec]

83. Yeah, sure you would. n/t

[Amonester]

135. It's the "New" (as in "New P H") meme.

You know, the: "war is peace, wrong is right, down is up, losing is to win, etc." b*s* is now so famous for...

:crazy:

[youngdem]

37. Define grave, asshole.

I would say illegal war, destruction of habeas corpus, torture, enriching his cronies with illegal contracts, violating open record acts and orders to store records, ignoring subpoenas, eating cake while Americans drowned in New Orleans and a million other actions these crooks have undertaken ALL qualify as grave breaches of security.

But, then again, I'm not a pandering politician.

Disgusting comment, Mr. Obama. VERY disappointing. You are a COWARD for not stepping forward and at least saying that impeachment won't happen, not that you don't think it is earned. I REALLY hope you don't really think they haven't committed any 'grave' offenses.

VERY disappointing.

Are there ANY real Democrats left on the planet? Any? Perhaps Finegold, Dean and well, I'm coming up empty.

[Le Taz Hot]

40. Kucincich.

Please. Consider voting your conscience.

[Freddie Stubbs]

46. Even Kucinich won't introduce an impeachment resolution against Bush

[Zhade]

49. That's likely because he recognizes that b*s* is a figurehead.

Not that you care about things like the truth anyway - conservatives never do.

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. If you were interested in the truth, you would not call me a conservative

[Zhade]

65. That fact that I do shows how dedicated I am to it, considering your conservative stances.

And your apparent gleeful posting anytime something bad happens to hurt liberal causes.

I'm not worried about your opinion of me; I usually don't give a fuck about conservative views like yours.

[Kingofalldems]

73. OP trying to get us to trash other Democrats IMHO

Unfortunately, lots of people fall for it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

138. So, you believe that a candidate's position in impeachment should be 'off the table?'

:shrug:

[Kingofalldems]

143. No--I believe just what I stated in my post

[Freddie Stubbs]

139. Please point out the 'glee' in my post

[redqueen]

66. cause that would leave us with president palpatine

c'mon now... you see the reasoning behind that move, i'm sure

why feign otherwise?

[brentspeak]

114. When you finally get around to pulling your head out of the sand...

...you'll discover that the Democrats have been grilling White House staff on Capitol Hill every week now. That might be an inconvenient truth for you, though.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

39. never had my vote.. not surprised

[TwilightGardener]

42. Disagree with you here, my sweet Obama! I think "grave" breaches have occurred.

The prez candidates are going to play it safe. It's going to take someone else from Congress (besides Kucinich et al).

[AndreaCG]

43. Go suck it, Obama!

If refusing to reply to Congressional subpoenas and declaring yourself a fourth, untouchable branch of government aren't grave, what is?

Do we have to wait to nuke Iran till it gets grave enough for Obama?

[realbluesky]

44. What a disappointment

I had high hopes for Obama. I thought he was going to be the right person at the right time. But, obviously, he thinks what's happening in this country is okay by him. What a loser.

[Zhade]

45. Uh, egregious criminal actions don't count, Obama?

Well, you lost MY vote.

[dkofos]

48. We should just bend over and take it. Why do you think they do it??

Because when we had a chance, (Nixon) they said it was in the best interest of the country.

Criminals should be tried, and if found guilty, imprisoned.

You just blew any chance you had of being president.

[Vidar]

50. I would have voted for him. No more. This is a deal breaker.

[derby378]

53. Sorry, Obama, but you're starting to look like a wuss...

These evil men need to be removed from the White House 15 minutes ago!!

[guitar man]

54. fuck him

fucking candy ass!! :grr:

[madrchsod]

55. there may be no time left to impeach him

i`m not sure just how "grave" the conditions must be...but we will see soon when the whitehouse and the senate go to court over the subpoenas that are going to be issued. this may be the tipping point into the world of "grave"

[jakem]

57. Wow. I have been pro-obama...

but I have to say I am tiring of all the candidates at this point.

looks like my donations may have been premature.

[OwnedByFerrets]

62. Youre just as spineless as all the rest of the

congress and senate. FUCK YOU!!
Its gets harder and harder to want to vote for ANYONE!!!!!!!!!

[Yukari Yakumo]

68. It's funny to watch the lynch mob out in effect

Some questions for everyone above:

What high crimes should Bush be charged with? Bear in mind they must be actual crimes.

Next, what evidence is there that directly implicates Bush with those crimes? Conjecture is not evidence. Speculation is not evidence.

- - - - -

Has Bush committed a crime? Possibly. By right now, there's no evidence that ties Bush directly to any crime at all.

[last1standing]

109. Ok. It's been PROVED that bush* authorized warrantless wiretaps.

On US citizens. That is a breach of the fourth amendment and the decision lies directly at bush's* feet.

Amendment IV: Warrants and searches.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Is that good enough for you?

[mainer]

70. Doesn't he believe in seeing justice served?

If crimes have been committed (and they HAVE been) then there should be a consequence. The President is not above the law.

[silverojo]

71. And he claims he's an "outsider". Ha!

He's a Beltway boy, all the way. :mad:

[lovuian]

74. Well why don't you just kiss Bush and pat him on the back

I'm ashamed at Obama Ashamed

he has NO GUTS

[Kingofalldems]

76. Thank you for your concern.

[BR_Parkway]

79. Then he's lost my support - warrantless wiretapping, at the very least

is a "grave" breach of the president's authority. In fact, it's a criminal act. Obviously the Senator doesn't understand the law of the land and is in no position to hold up his hand and swear to defend the Constitution.

And yes, it would be in the best interest of the country - it's about time something happened to put this (mis)Administrations crimes out into the public eye in a way that the M$M certainly isn't.

[treestar]

81. What does it take to reach the "grave" standard

Chimpy and his puppetmaster have already reached "grave" status.

[Frogger]

82. i'd say Obama

has about as much chance of getting the Democratic nomination as McCain does of getting the Republican one.

And for the same reason, going against the base.

[JDPriestly]

87. Wow! Huge mistake! He is not a good negotiator.

Even Bush knows not to take potential legally permissible punitive actions off the table.

[wiley]

88. Can it get any worse?

What does the man actually stand for? I question whether he actually would have voted against the IWR if he was a Senator at that time. Wouldn't want to go against the Commander in Chief and all that.

[mountainvue]

105. I've been saying that from the very beginning

but no one wanted to hear it.

[wiley]

106. Those infatuated with something about him

certainly don't want to hear it.

[superconnected]

89. I had so much hope for him and he's consistently going the way of hillary

and how she lost me.

[JDPriestly]

91. This pushes me all the closer to supporting Edwards

wholeheartedly. I see Obama's statement as politically expedient. I just don't respect that. He is a good man, but he is not ready for a national campaign. He does not know how brutal the measure of his every word and deed, past and present, will be. He has a lot of good qualities, but he needs to live a little more in the milieu of Washington.

Yes, the Kennedys were young, but they grew up in the home of an ambassador -- of a politically active family. Obama does not have that advantage. He is hurting himself by trying to run this election.

[Blue_In_AK]

96. Has Edwards issued any kind of statement regarding

impeachment? I'll admit I haven't been following him as closely as I possibly should be.

[JDPriestly]

131. Silence is a better strategy than announcing that impeachment

is pretty much off the table. What if the Congress finally gets up the gumption to impeach? Is Obama going to shift his stance on this at that time? Waffle, see-saw anyone? I can hear the ridicule already. Neither Gore nor Hillary nor Edwards would make this mistake. They know the game. They have played it before.

[stillcool]

92. another spokesman for the

cover-up wing of the democratic party. Reality sucks.

[tom_paine]

94. Then I do no not favor his candidacy. n/t

[Neshanic]

95. "grave" breaches only rule. Kinda like double secret probation. He bcomes more irrelevant every day

Sad, sad excuse for a candidate.

[Demit]

99. this, along with his lawyer calling for a Libby pardon...

is starting to show me who Barack Obama is, I'm afraid. These are the things he chooses to make specific firm statements on? I don't like that at all.

[EndElectoral]

101. And having months after month of these nitwits in power IS in the best interest of he country Dick?!

[Ilsa]

102. Is Obama too busy campaigning to follow current events? nt

[WritersBlock]

108. 866-675-2008

Campaign HQ. I just called and voiced my extreme disappointment as a registered Democrat, and the fact that I will be very hard pressed to feel like I can vote for him after that comment. I said that if he didn't think what Bush & Cheney have done to the country constitute grave breaches of authority, I'd like to know what does.

I felt sorry for the poor volunteer who answered the phone. She was extemely polite. She hadn't heard about the comment yet, but she's promised to pass my opinion on.

[ima_sinnic]

110. so young and already a hack--a hack who will NEVER get my vote

--I was a Deaniac and have been bemused for months at the comparisons with Dean. You, sir, are no Howard Dean. You are just a mealy-mouthed "moderate," (GOD I DESPISE THAT TERM!!), a corporate puppet who started out promisingly but quickly sank in my esteem.

I have hardly followed his campaign, but a major clue should have been his health care "plan" that would hand the deal to the insurance companies on a silver platter.

[still_one]

111. Gore said the same thing. Maybe they should take it out of the Constitution then

obviously no one should be held accountable for crimes and misdeamors because it "won't be in the best interest of America"

BULL, that is their job

[last1standing]

116. Gore did not say the same thing.

Gore said that it would be a waste of time to try to impeach bush* because the votes aren't there for it to succeed. Obama is saying that it's not worth impeaching bush* because he hasn't done anything grave enough to warrant it.

In other words, Gore is saying that we can't impeach bush* and Obama is saying there's no reason to. Big difference in my opinion.

[Lorien]

117. Exactly

though I'd like to see an attempt at impeachment just to put every politian on record on BushCo's abuses of power.

[still_one]

122. "Waste of Time", my you are parsing words. It is NOT a waste of time

REAL crimes have been committed.

Seriously, when someone says something is a waste of time, what does that mean to you?

To me it means you shouldn't even bother.

For nothing else they should do it for the record, historical significance, and future generations. It is extremely important

Incidently, I am not that thrilled with the choice of candidates we have, and really wish Gore would step up. Frnakly, I doubt he will

[last1standing]

127. I'm not disagreeing with the need to impeach but there's a big difference in Gore's position.

I disagree with Gore that impeachment proceedings are a waste of time but I can at least understand his position. Even if (and it's a big "if") we could muster the votes in the House to impeach bush* the Senate would never get the 60 votes necessary to remove him. In fact, with DINOs like lieberman and now Obama, it's not that likely we could even get a majority. bush* would likely use that as a way of claiming he'd been exonerated and the media would be right there helping him.

On the other hand, I do believe its important to impeach because by not doing so we set a dangerous precedent as to what a sitting president can and should do with the power vested in them. We need history to show that bush's* actions are not acceptable.

The problem for me isn't that Obama doesn't support impeachment proceedings, it's that he's stated that he doesn't think bush* has done anything that bad. To be honest, if Obama doesn't see the gravity of the situation here, then he should not be in office. He shouldn't even be a Senator.

I hope that cleared up what I was trying to say.

[still_one]

133. We definitely agree in philosophy, not necessarily semantics

either way I am with you

[cureautismnow]

112. Very Disappointing.

That's not what the majority of us want to hear. We need fighters, not appeasers and enablers. Who will step up to the plate? Obama seems content to remain on the sidelines while the Constitution of the U.S. continually gets trampled upon by Bushco. Sad. :-(

[OldschoolDem]

113. Obama knows hes not running against Bush

Hes running against Fred Thompson, Rudy, McCain and Romney. Why would he spend time going after a President that is gone in a year and half when he could go after the people that actually could deny him the Presidency? I personally think it is a smart move.

[Lorien]

119. Why go after a criminal when he's no threat to your family?

because he's still a threat to other families and he's still a criminal.

[RogueBandit]

115. Condi, Powell and now Obama

Great disappointments...

[Grandrose]

125. Excuse me???

Care to elaborate a little more....is it just because they are African Americans, what is your point?:yoiks:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

118. I'd say the unnecessary deaths of 3500+ American troops

and thousands of innocent Iraqis is a grave fucking breach of presidential authority.

The last time we let a president get off scott free, Nixon was at the helm. The lack of action then set the stage for inaction with these yoyos. :grr:

[FreeStateDemocrat]

120. Cat had to open his mouth and remove all doubt, works well with pukes won't get it in '08

[BulletproofLandshark]

121. Tinman Says He Doesn't Favor Obama In the Primaries

The last thing America needs right now (or ever as far as I'm concerned) is another weak-willed Democrat unwilling to uphold the law because it isn't politically expedient.

[David__77]

124. I don't have a problem with that.

He's running for president. We're not even a year and a half out from the general election, and it's nearly impossible to generate the votes impeach. Better to do everything possible to make the administration politically impotent.

[jamesinca]

126. Well what would be in the interest of this country

"Both Obama and US Senator Dick Durbin say having to deal with month after month of impeachment hearings wouldn't be in the best interest of America."

What are you doing now that is so important that it can't be interrupted?



"The Illinois Democrat says he's distressed by the Bush administration's ethical standards and secrecy. But the presidential hopeful says impeachment should be reserved for "grave" breaches of the president's authority."

Like contempt of congress?

Very irresponsible of you Mr. Obama to make such remarks. Working for the paycheck is out of the question I guess.

[goforit]

128. Obama just lost my vote!

[Ethelk2044]

129. Hillary and Edwards does not want Impeachment either

[bleedingheart]

130. Kucinich looks better and better to me every day...

and if Gore doesn't toss his hat in...I am with the dude from Cleveland...

[chknltl]

134. Well that places him squarely in the bottom tier of my list.

Make no mistake here, if Senator Obama gets the Democratic nod, I will fervently support him and rally as many votes for him as I can. Supporters of Senator Obama can count on me. That said, IMPEACHMENT is MY number one issue, far higher than any other. I wonder what Oprah would say about this. If we make it to the next election, I will cheerfully admit that I was wrong about one of my primary reasons to see Impeachment Hearings get started. If we get Impeachment, it means We The People have decided that we want our government back.

[iLikeJello]

136. Hmm

I used to be enamoured with him. A few weeks ago, I started having my doubts about him. Now he's lost my vote for good.

[mwb970]

141. mwb970 says he doesn't favor nomination of Obama. /nt

[missTheBigDog]

144. Well, he never had my vote in the first place

This is reinforces my thinking. What a pansy. I never thought he had the experience or leadership run this country, let alone fix Bush's mess. Add that to the fact that this country is not ready for a black president and may well never will be, I think he's really wasting his time and money. There is no way he is getting the nomination.

Gosh, there has to be better choices than him and the right pandering HRC. Richardson, you better get it in gear!

[RiverStone]

145. BIG sigh.....

Damn --- Obama has been my number one choice (minus Al jumping in).

Did he just lose my vote?

Not necessarily; but now I must rethink. Certainly Shrub and Shooter have shown us all "grave" breaches of authority. In fact, I can imagine no other Presidency in history where authority was abused this much.

Why'd ya say that Barack????

[ckramer]

146. I'm thinking about voting for Mike Bloomerg

what do you guys think?

[Freddie Stubbs]

151. Has Bloomberg come out in favor of impeachment?

:shrug:

[ryanmuegge]

147. Of course. He's a fucking punk. I've been saying it all along.

He's got no spine.

[Qutzupalotl]

148. So did Gore.

Is everyone here going to abandon him too?

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/B77EB82F-FD25-494A-9280-F074A55BC17F/

[0rganism]

149. Just how "grave" does it have to be, Senator?

There must be a threshold, some "line in the sand" which he would have to cross, some Lagrange point beyond which the "gravity" of the situation would be unmistakable and impeachment would be warranted. I think we should ask ALL the candidates where they draw that line.

[KamaAina]

150. Way to go Barack...

:sarcasm:

keep it up, and I may yet find myself caucusing for John Edwards instead.