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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:42 PM
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Sept report on Iraq will tell it straight: Petraeus
Source: Reuters

Sept report on Iraq will tell it straight: Petraeus
By Alister Bull
Thu Jun 28, 12:28 PM ET

HILLA, Iraq (Reuters) - The top U.S. military commander in Iraq on Thursday promised the truth from a progress report on the country that he will deliver to Washington in September.

"We are not going back to present examples of success," General David Petraeus told Reuters and two other foreign reporters who accompanied him on a trip to the city of Hilla, south of Baghdad.

"We are going back to present the truth, to provide a forthright, comprehensive assessment of the situation at the time."

The report to U.S. lawmakers by Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker will examine how much has been achieved since 28,000 extra troops were sent to the country for a major summer offensive to halt Iraq's slide into sectarian civil war.




Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070628/ts_nm/iraq_petraeus_dc
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:48 PM
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1. Translation: Prepare for a Texas sized, heaping shovel full of obfuscation and bullshit
Look, when ANYONE preemptively tells you something they are GONNA tell you is the God's honest Truth, you can take it to the bank you are about to be mugged and left on a country road in your underwear.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:48 PM
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2. They are working up the case that "our vital strategic interests"
dictate that we continue to occupy Iraq forever.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 05:54 PM
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3. Uh right and I have some desert for sale.
Really valuable site. No really, don't you believe me! Honest!! I wouldn't lie!
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:15 PM
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6. I've got some beach front property with an ocean view.......
in Kansas. Sounds like we should start the "Bush Realty Company". ;) The day you get the truth from the military is the day they'll be playing hockey in hell. Apparently "Betraeus" thinks all Americans are as stupid as Bush.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:01 PM
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4. Oh good, I am fully relieved now
I had my doubts as to whether the kind general would tell the actual truth to the Muhrkin People. But now that he has promised us, on his word, that he will Tell It Like It Is, I hang my head in shame for ever doubting this True Patriot.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:10 PM
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5. WAIT A SEC. I found their draft right here:

Overall, the current situation in Iraq can only be viewed in positive terms. Selected, specified, and substantiated investigations and measurements of certain aspects of distinct parameter-based functions, display an acute and permanent change in certain levels of Governmental integrity and parliamentary development, immeasurable yardmarks determining the parameters of functional domestic military and police strength, the levels of western-based, law-abiding police activities are notable for their professionalism and range of services, a stable economic outlook as compared to various timeframes related to episodes of former growth of past instability remains in the past, a statistical comparison, protracted and weighted by intensity, geographic, epideological factors, with N-sum retrogressive meta-analysis, easily can describe net sum decreasing numbers of attacks within certain areas, including vital centers as the Green Zone, in fact, - all have resulted in numerous positive factors, too many to be mentioned in an overview.

Of course, there are a very few areas in which there are mixed results, however, the trends we have noted are uniformly and repeatedly positive. In sum, there is only one conclusion that can be reached: Due solely to the President's prescience, world understanding and brilliant strategizing, the Iraq situation has improved almost every aspect of measurable and description based analysis, with a concentration on facet establishment without regard to the underlying political tainting that is part and parcel of all growing democracies in their early years. The physical reality of increased security, especially in the appropriately targeted areas of dispute, despite Al Qaida's efforts and investment into undue influence and coupled with their pro-9/11 corrosive message, cannot be debated. The future anticipated decrease in levels of violence, based on projected indices, coupled with regressive statistical analysis prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the surge's impact has changed pockets of safety into large regions that can only be described in glowing terms. Repeatedly, the inhabitants of these glowing areas have approached investigators and concretely stated that their future has only one possible direction - up. Such positive assessments are repeated in almost every sector, Sunni, Shia, and Kurd.


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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 06:54 PM
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7. ...as long as it fits in with our pro-war agenda.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:01 PM
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8. Wait till September...
So they are going to release a report on how good everything is going in Iraq in and around the September 11th anniversary.

Riiiight...

"Wait Till September" Is Open and Transparent BS
AfterDowningStreet
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OldschoolDem Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:08 PM
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9. This is going to unpopular here
but we have no choice but give Petraeus our support. Warlord Bush has refused to end the war. Congress doesn't have the balls to cut off funding or impeach the President. Honestly our best hope to get our troops home is for Iraq to stablize. Iraq was a mistake everyone knows that, but for the sake of the Iraqi people and our soldiers I do hope Iraq stablizes and becomes prosperous and free. No human beings deserve to live in a war zone and if we leave right now war will only get worse.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:11 PM
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10. General Peaches Betray-Us is part of the Rummy Selected Sell Out Warmongers.
He'll say anything to keep troops in Iraq. He will NOT secure Iraq, i.e., see Vietnam War Fiasco for reference. :grr:
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OldschoolDem Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:20 PM
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11. Our only other hope is that a Democrat is elected President
other than we are screwed.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:55 PM
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15. How about we vote for the Democratic Representatives or their Challengers who VOW to stop this war?
And I mean firm commitment or else we vote them out for their next Democratic Challengers in two years?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:26 PM
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13. Oh please
Your "opinion" is unpopular here because it is foolish nonsense, and reactionary drivel.
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OldschoolDem Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:39 PM
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14. What options do you have in the near future?
Congress won't impeach. Congress won't cut off funding. Our only hope lies in Iraq itself.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:06 PM
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16. OK, why don't we ask the honorable Col. Ted Westhusing what he thinks of General Peaches BetrayUs?
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 08:09 PM by ShortnFiery
Oh wait! We can't :( - Col. Westhusing committed suicide and left this note for this OUTSTANDING supervisor:

At about 1:15 in the afternoon, Westhusing was discovered in trailer 602A. Near his body was a note addressed to his commanders, Petraeus and Fil. Written in large, block letters, it read:

Thanks for telling me it was a good day until I briefed you. —You are only interested in your career and provide no support to your staff—no msn support and you don’t care. I cannot support a msn that leads to corruption, human right abuses and liars. I am sullied—no more. I didn’t volunteer to support corrupt, money grubbing contractors, nor work for commanders only interested in themselves. I came to serve honorably and feel dishonored. I trust no Iraqi. I cannot live this way. All my love to my family, my wife and my precious children. I love you and trust you only. Death before being dishonored any more. Trust is essential—I don’t know who trust anymore. Why serve when you cannot accomplish the mission, when you no longer believe in the cause, when your every effort and breath to succeed meets with lies, lack of support, and selfishness? No more. Reevaluate yourselves, cdrs . You are not what you think you are and I know it.

COL Ted Westhusing

Life needs trust. Trust is no more for me here in Iraq.


snip

That fact is evident in a two-inch stack of documents, obtained over the past 15 months under the Freedom of Information Act, that provides many details of Westhusing’s suicide. The pile includes interviews with Westhusing’s co-workers, diagrams of his sleeping quarters, interviews with his family members, and partially redacted reports from the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command and Inspector General. The documents echo the story told by Westhusing’s friends. “Something he saw drove him to this,” one Army officer who was close to Westhusing said in an interview. “The sum of what he saw going on drove him” to take his own life. “It’s because he believed in duty, honor, country that he’s dead.”

Westhusing worked under the supervision of two army generals: Joseph Fil, a major general (two stars) and Petraeus, a lieutenant general (three stars). Petraeus was impressed with Westhusing. By 2005, Petraeus had become a darling of the U.S. media thanks, in part, to his success in helping stabilize and rebuild northern Iraq. Petraeus liked what he saw in Westhusing and promoted him from lieutenant colonel to full colonel. In a March 2005 e-mail, Petraeus told Westhusing that he had “already exceeded the very lofty expectations that all had for you.”

While the promotion was important, Westhusing was increasingly isolated. He did not have, as his fellow officer from West Point put it, a “battle buddy,” a person who “looks out for his friend both physically and psychologically.” The lack of personal support began to wear on Westhusing. His friends in the U.S. began seeing his mood darken. His e-mails became less frequent and more ominous. Westhusing began having increasingly contentious conflicts with the contractors from USIS. There were ongoing problems with USIS’s expenses, and Westhusing was forced to deal with allegations that USIS had seen or participated in the killing of Iraqis. He received an anonymous letter claiming USIS was cheating the military at every opportunity, that several hundred weapons assigned to the counterterrorism training program had disappeared, and that a number of radios, each of which cost $4,000, had also disappeared. The letter concluded that USIS was “not providing what you are paying for” and that the entire training operation was “a total failure.”

/snip

For the life of me, I don't know why Senator Reid seemingly goes "Ga Ga" over General Peaches? Generals put on their pants the same as any other human being. I've interacted with over two dozen General Officers in my lifetime (I conducted our Station Briefing out of Protocol) and IMO, only two came across to me as genuinely stand out as caring for their troops when you strip away all the political fluff of "the position."

No, don't let yourself be WOWed by General Peaches and BTW, General Ret. Anthony Zinni would make a much better Diplomat than Tony Blair ... but alas, The Quartet reigns supreme. :(

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:21 PM
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17. No, our only hope resides in moving as swiftly as possible to disengage
Just stop it .
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 07:25 PM
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12. Trust me...said the used car salesman...I'm Honest Dave Petraeus!
:eyes:
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:56 PM
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18. Robert Heinlein and the 'truth'
Edited on Thu Jun-28-07 09:41 PM by LastLiberal in PalmS
What are the facts? Again and again and again--what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
Notebooks of Lazarus Long

When my sister-in-law (who is in that remaining 28% who approve of *) declared that some guy had a website where he "wrote the truth" I threw her for a loop when I told her I wasn't interested in the truth -- I wanted to find out what the facts were! "Everybody's got the truth; it's facts that are hard to find," I told her. It kind of shut down the conversation.
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