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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:20 AM
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U.S. opposition to Iraq war hits new high: poll
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Opposition to the Iraq war has climbed to a record high and President George W. Bush's approval rating dropped to a new low amid growing dissent from members of his own Republican party over his war strategy, according to a new USAToday/Gallup poll.

Bush's approval dropped to 29 percent in the poll taken Friday through Sunday, down from 33 percent in early June, USA Today reported on Tuesday.

One in five Americans said the increase in U.S. forces in Iraq this year has made the situation there better while half said it has made no difference, the newspaper said.

More than seven in 10 Americans favor withdrawing nearly all U.S troops from Iraq by April, the newspaper said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/usa_iraq_poll_dc
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:32 AM
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1. I wonder what will give???
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:25 AM
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2. Some other polls are also showing Junior's approval in the 20s
Newsweek 26%, CBS News 27%. But get this: Rasmussen, which almost always gives the Chump in Chief higher approval ratings than other polls, reported an approval today of 39%. That's up quite a bit from their average last month of 35%.

If Rasmussen's upward trend can be believed, maybe some of the flat earth Republicans liked the Libby reprieve enough to forgive him for the immigration bill.


http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:53 AM
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3. In studying Bush approval and Bush policy issue polls over 2-3 years, I found
that Gallup is always the outlier poll favoring Bush. I would guess they weight it in the 5% to 10% range to favor Bush and rightwing policy, over and above other polls. So I would say that Bush did not have 33% approval in early June (more like 26%-27%--which is more in line with other polls), and that his approval now is in the low 20's (down to the very hardest of hard core wingers). Also, on the war, they have 20% of Americans ("one in five" is how they put it) thinking that the "surge" (ESCALATION of the US killing) is improving things. Figure more like 10-15% have that mingbogglingly stupid opinion. And more like 8 to 9 out of 10 Americans (rather than Gallup's 7 in 10) want "nearly all U.S. troops" out by April. (And I'd bet the numbers on "ALL" troops--not just "nearly all"--and on an much earlier withdrawal than April--are quite high as well.)

I had a very specific reason for undertaking a study of the polls. I started following them closely in early 2003, as Bush embarked upon preemptive war, because I very much wanted to know: Have other Americans gone mad, or are they just not being listened to? The answer was important to me as an activist. Was the problem, say, fear, which could be addressed with more education on the issues, or with some kind of character-building that the American people needed? Why be so afraid of "terrorists" that you'd vote for Bush, and/or surrender all your rights to that stupid little bastard and his heinous puppetmasters? Were we cowards, or stupid, or what? Or was something else going on?

One of my first discoveries was that 56% of the American people opposed Bush's war, way back in Feb. '03, before the invasion, before Colin Powell's 100% pack of the lies to the UN was fully exposed. 56%! That would be a landslide in a presidential election. Yet if you looked at the TV, or read any newspaper, it was all war and war mongering all the time. That significant majority of Americans against this war was nowhere reflected in the corporate media. The numbers wobbled a little during the months of the invasion--with US soldiers at max risk--but soon they began a steady increase in opposition that has now reached over 70%.

The majority of Americans never supported this war, and now it's a staggering majority. I was even more amazed at other issue polls --torture (63% opposed "under any circumstances"--May '04), privatizing Social Security (80% opposed), the $10 trillion deficit (90% opposed). Americans oppose all major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, way up in the 60% to 90% range, and have done so for several years, including before the 2004 election!

These reviews of the polls that I did convinced me that the problem was NOT what Americans believe. They had not fallen for Bush's lies. The problem was/is that the majority of Americans are gravely demoralized, disempowered, and, above all, DISENFRANCHISED.

And you don't have to look very far to see how the disenfranchisement occurred. It is quite blatant. During the 2002 to 2004 period, electronic voting systems run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, were fast-tracked across the country with $3.9 billion in boondoggle funding from the Anthrax Congress.

Non-transparent vote counting--controlled by major Bush supporters! How convenient for the fascists of both parties! It wasn't just the Bushites. Our Democratic leaders colluded in this destruction of our vote counting system. That's a chief reason why so few people know about it, and why it's so hard to change. If the Democratic Party leadership had screamed about it, it could never have succeeded. Dead silence.

A real eye-opener, that. So we've got the vast majority of the people wanting progressive, peace-minded policy, and no one representing them--except a minority in Congress whom we've managed to elect by outvoting the rigged machines, and even they seem bullied and silenced on this issue: the elephant in the room--'trade secret' vote counting.

I urge people to read the polls. You will be amazed. And if you are a grass roots activist, know this: You don't have to convince anyone of anything. The people are with you. They just need empowerment and transparent vote counting, and the American people will reform this country like never before. Forget arguing with that teensy winger minority of rabid Bushites. That's just a trick that the corporate media is playing on you--getting you to think that winger views count for anything. Talk to THE PEOPLE! Empower the people! And help them understand about this fascist vote counting system, and that it's still fixable--and the best venue for that is probably state/local registrars and other election offices, where ordinary people still have some influence.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:29 AM
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5. excellent post PP!
Thank you! I have known since 2002 we are disenfranchised. I also realize just from talking to folks around me that everyone is PISSED off at where this country is. Everyone, repubs, independents and all shades of democrats. All except for the die hard lunatic wingers. That is why the caving on the part of the Democrats in congress on war funding and impeachment it so hard to swallow. The people, not just democrats, most people want justice and an end to this war.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:17 AM
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4. April? Do they just use PFA numbers?
How about next week? Why don't they ask that question? "Are you in favor of an immediate withdrawal from Iraq?"
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:20 AM
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6. Gallup: Bush Job Approval at 29%, Lowest of His Administration
Source: The Gallup Poll

July 10, 2007

Princeton, NJ -- President George W. Bush's job approval rating is now at 29%, the new low point for his
administration so far. Bush's current rating ranks in the bottom 3% of more than 1,300 Gallup presidential
approval ratings since 1938. About two-thirds of republicans continue to approve of the job Bush is doing,
but his job approval ratings is only 21% among independents and 7% among Democrats. Bush's job approval
rating was an already low 37% as the year began, and it has dropped gradually since April.



Read more: http://galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28093
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:21 AM
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7. I am more worried about Congresses Disapproval--The Dems need to get busy!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:47 AM
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8. Let's discuss those Congressional approval ratings.
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 08:55 AM by Lasher
Currently low Congressional approval ratings are being reported as disapproval of the Democratic leadership. But last time I checked there were a few Republicans still serving in Congress. I don't think much of Congressional Republicans, and I'm pretty fond of Congressional Democrats. But if I were asked if I approved of the current Congress as a package deal I might say no.

The Real Clear Politics Congressional Job Approval average (scroll down) is currently just 24.8%. Their Generic Congressional Vote average, however, (scroll down the rest of the way) favors Democrats over Republicans, 52.1% to 40.6%. To me this makes it clear that it is Republicans who are more responsible for dragging the overall Congressional approval ratings down. But as I said before, this is being widely reported as low approval of the 'Democrat (sic) controlled Congress'. This is being intentionally misrepresented, or at least overplayed, as a public indictment against the Democratic Congressional leadership.

On edit: Here is a Rasmussen article that addresses Congressional approval somewhat more objectively than your average news report, if you bother to read past the initial paragraph. Unfortunately, all that can be difficult to incorporate into a sound bite for teevee pundits to mouth.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:46 PM
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11. Thanks for the info, Lasher! I figured something like that was going on.
Still, it takes singular talent at compromising, toadying, serving the military-industrial complex and MIS-representing the American people, to blow a 70+% majority against the war.

That is not strictly the doing of the RepublicOns in Congress.

But I think the fault goes back way before the present Congress--to the spooky total silence of the Democratic Party leadership about electronic voting run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, which was fast-tracked across the country in the 2002 to 2004 period. It makes one suspect that the Democratic Party DIDN'T WANT an antiwar majority in Congress. Transparent vote counting would have resulted in an antiwar majority in the House, I believe--one that could better deal with the more slow to change Senate (--in which only 1/3 were up for reelection in '06). Instead, we got a House in which there are about 40 "Blue Dog" Democrats who want to cut all spending except the war budget. Money and the DLC put them in a position to run. Diebold/ES&S took care of their challengers in the primaries, and some of the serious antiwar candidates who made it into the general election (such as Coleen Rowley), and then the voters, in general, just reflexively voted for anybody with a "D" next to their name, in a desperate bid for change.

So, when the Democrats in the '06 Congress were saying they just don't have the votes to stop the war, or to impeach Bush/Cheney on an unprecedented list of "high crimes and misdemeanors," they were maybe just pulling our legs. They WOULD have had the votes, if we had vote counting that everyone can see and understand.

I'm into interesting 60/40 ratios these days. The Democrats (the grass roots, that is) blew the Bushites away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40. (Where did all those votes go?) In Ohio, in 2005, a slate of election reform initiatives was predicted to win by 60/40 margins, but got flipped over on election day into 60/40 DEFEATS. We have about a 40/60 ratio of true antiwar Congress critters vs. those who are hogtied to the military-industrial complex or to Bush/Cheney, while the people of the country show a reverse ratio, and an even greater one, a 70/30 antiwar v. Bushite warmonger split.

Everything is upside down and backwards, except we, the People. And that's about what you would expect from rightwing (and I mean rightwing--far rightwing) Bushite corporations 'counting' all our votes under a veil of corporate secrecy.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:58 AM
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9. did anyone hear Harry Reid say yesterday
that the Dems have not done enough, duh, we have been saying this since January 2007, what a disconnect between us and them.
Let's kick some butt!!!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:55 AM
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10. Bush excels at being the worst president possible.
Congratulations, Bush! You suck like no other president in living memory!
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:48 PM
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12. Look at the trend in the polls
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 06:49 PM by intaglio
I would be willing to place a small bet that the weighted average will show Dubyas approval to be down to 23% by October.


edit for clarity
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 03:12 AM
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13. Junior is chasing Nixon's record in the polls
23% would give him the record


http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 09:48 AM
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14. Time for one gigantic protest:
For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield


There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


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