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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:16 PM Original message |
Dog breeders thwart California pet neutering bill |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Responsible breeders |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Exactly |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. I agree and then some ... |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. "Responsible breeders are NOT the cause of pet overpopulation." |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. Exactly. I think the bill is a great idea, but there needs to be a way |
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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. But what about people who want to have puppies or kittens? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I have to disagree. It's not "fun" for the kittens and puppies who |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
92. That "fun" results in |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Agreed |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. And more animals will die in California shelters. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Levine needs to go after puppy mills |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. CA has a big problem with smalltime backyard breeders, not with puppy mills |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. The bill could exempt licensed breeders |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. The bill went through about thirty revisions |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Why do you keep referring to animal lovers as "AR folks"? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. If they would stop demonizing responsible breeders |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. "They" Yeah, nice line in the sand. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Responsible breeders aren't demonized |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Damn right. Amen! |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. Breeders like the ones I have run across |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Your HUA graphic kicks major ASS! |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
96. I Have to Agree. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. It should wipe out their "industry" - until there isn't an available dog in a shelter death row... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. No, pet stores and puppy mills |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. That's bullshit. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Explain to me |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. 1. The law does not outlaw breeding. It charges a fee for unaltered animals |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Before he amended it about ten times |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Six months is too late, especially for cats. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Actually, many vets think early spay/neuter is unsound |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. If it's so few, then pay the fee and make life harder on the backyard breeder competition. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I don't mind paying a fee |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Hon, I am the AR people. I work with others and they comprise most of my social group. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Back atcha |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I'm sure that makes for lovely PR. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. It's not PR |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. There is no such thing as a responsible breeder. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. You can repeat that mantra all you want |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. It's simple math. There are a finite number of homes that will take a dog and a larger population. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Love, it's April 15th, and you're calling the IRS on this one. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I know dear. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. It's not a zero sum game |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. delete |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. We don't have a big problem with pet stores or puppy mills here. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I don't know where you live |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I'm in Sacramento, the last time I saw a store selling puppies it was in Florin mall and I was a kid |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
82. Agree completely |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
81. Oh, for fucking christ in a basket... There are rescue groups for ALL "purebred" breeds... |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
98. Ironically... |
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CatFelyne (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
48. Not sure where some of your statements are from |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Here you go: |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 07:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I read or almost read his response |
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CatFelyne (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. Thanks for sharing one vet's opinion, I was looking for some more statistics and data though :-) |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
103. Vanderlip, aw well as many of the other vets who opposed this |
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CatFelyne (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. I was not asking for "letters" just research studies to back up your claims |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I will do the reading you suggested |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
87. Thank You For Posting This |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
80. Again, BULLSHIT. We had one of our adopted pups neutered at 8 months with NO problems... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #80 |
102. Not bullshit at all |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. You are wrong. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Actually none |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yeah, right. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I guess you're bitter because your bill went down in flames |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Not at all. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Oh yes. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. And? |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
97. You Said It, It's All About MONEY to You Breeders. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Wow you guys get so hysterical |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. No breeders=no dogs? Give me a break! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
79. Complete and utter crap... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
105. Who are you to stop all breeding? |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
64. That's silly. |
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mctrotter5 (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
15. I actually read the bill after hearing scare stories from my |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
73. That certainly sounds well concieved to me |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
111. Take a look at your Humane Society and see how few puppies there |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. There should have been an exemption for reputable breeders. n/t |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. There was. They did have to pay a fee, to be used to pay for low income spay/neuter programs. |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
54. I volunteer for a lab rescue, and the abuses of puppy mills are horrendous |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
55. I volunteer for a lab rescue, and puppy mills treat their dogs like crap |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
58. I have read through this thread and have a proposal: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Unit 3 snarls at you and visualizes crushing your skull in his powerful jaws |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Not sure what that is supposed to mean. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
83. Unit 3 is beautiful! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. Thanks! I picked him out of a litter of 8, before his eyes were open |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. There are quite a few endangered cat breeds too |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I restricted most of what I said to dogs because I know so much more about them |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Well, most reputable ones that I know of have less than five litters per year |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. The bill would have eventually ended dog ownership for the non-rich. |
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hamsterjill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Come to San Antonio, Texas |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. No, believe me, there will ALWAYS be unwanted pets up for adoption |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
62. It's difficult enough to get owners |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Eliminating certain dog breeds will not (unfortunately) |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. No, if you REALLY want to get rid of overpopulation, the solution is simple. |
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Socal31 (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
69. It is nobodys business if my dog |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. It is my business when its puppies end up at |
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Socal31 (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-12-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. You are assuming.... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. We don't "assume" what we see |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. Yes it absolutely fucking is my business. |
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Socal31 (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I have nothing to do with that, sorry. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
101. The California legislature's apparent intent is to regulate everything |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
84. Please explain specifically what your changes would be. |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
85. I support the idea behind this bill... |
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peacebuzzard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
86. I hope he does reintroduce the bill next year. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
88. Control Control Control Control - BAD IDEA |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. And they don't even get to vote |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Now That I Think About It |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. "Control" will happen through euthanasia if steps like this aren't taken |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Rhodesian Ridgebacks with two whirls are nearly extinct |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-15-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
110. Limiting breeding to "purebreds" is creating a nation of unhealthy dogs. |
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Ayesha (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-13-07 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
106. This bill went after the wrong people |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-14-07 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
109. FREE spay/neuter plus an aggressive education program. |
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