EXCLUSIVE: Milwaukee Election Records Indicate Forgery, Ballot Stuffing in '04 Presidential Election

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EXCLUSIVE: Milwaukee Election Records Indicate Apparent Forgery, Ballot Box Stuffing in 2004 Presidential Election
After being hidden from the public for more than two years, records reveal apparent forgeries in the first city ward examined
How is it US Attorney Steven Biskupic missed this? Could he have been looking for voter fraud instead of election fraud?

-- Guest Blogged by John Washburn

After a two year interruption, I am beginning to go through the copies of November 2, 2004 election records which were provided to me in the settlement of my lawsuit with the City of Milwaukee Election Commission. The results of my initial examination of these records reveal immediately disturbing findings...

FULL REPORT:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4830


Read more: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4830

[JeffR]

1. 5th rec here!

Kudos, Brad. And many thanks for your dedication to this issue.

[movonne]

14. I'm beginning to think we are the only ones who care...certainley

it's not our dems in congress or they would have make this a priority..

[JeffR]

19. I agree

and it's depressing as hell to think we'll be going through this again next year.

[peacetalksforall]

29. Conversation - Sunday - everytime I tried to talk about the stolen

votes and the destruction/replacement of the Constitution, courts, juedges, juries, and Congress, this maniac only wanted to talk about abortion and the criminality of the Clintons.

[JeffR]

33. It's like the movie Groundhog Day

they can't move on, unless someone suggests investigating the lies that led to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Then they're all about moving on.

[Melissa G]

2. To all of us who DID NOT move along... there is nothing to see here...

when they told us to do so! :toast: NGU!!! It is paying off! Way to go, Brad! :yourock:!

[Patsy Stone]

3. Right again!

:toast:

[Melissa G]

6. To all of us, Pats! It is a great community of those who refused to drink the Kool-Aid!

:hi: and now it is time for some Bubbly! :toast:

[Patsy Stone]

47. Clinky!

DU? :yourock:

[peacetalksforall]

30. Conspirators call everyone outside their group conspiracy theorists.

[aquart]

4. That signature list is the most arrogant...

It's right up there with Bush's crimes. There isn't even a good faith attempt to conceal the crime. Three j-names with a distinctive "j"???

[Richard Steele]

8. Evidence of a criminal who was VERY confident they would never be prosecuted.

You have to wonder just WHAT knowledge inspired that confidence.

[rzemanfl]

50. Watch, they will explain this as some moran using a sample

form with the pseudonyms affixed to it rather than a blank form. Plausibly deniable.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. Kerry won this precinct 947-267

Who would have the ability to stuff the ballot box in such a heavily Democratic precinct?

http://165.189.88.185/docview.asp?docid=1433&locid=47

[DemReadingDU]

7. I read somewhere that ballot stuffing happened in Ohio too

edit to add that it was one of the ways that gave Bush the win from Ohio in 2004

:evilfrown:

[mod mom]

12. I think you refer to this:

Free Press uncovers evidence of ballot tampering in Warren County, Ohio
April 19, 2006

After locking out all media observers and declaring a Level 10 Homeland Security Alert, the Republican-dominated Warren County, Ohio reported the vote tally in the wee hours of the morning on November 3, 2004 -- and gave George W. Bush a surprising 14,000 vote boost. Two election workers told the Free Press that the ballots had been diverted to an unauthorized warehouse where they had been possibly stuffed. That is, punched for Bush only. Maps were supplied to the Free Press showing the locations of the warehouse and the Board of Elections.

Warren County officials refused to allow the Columbus Institute for Contemporary Journalism to handle the ballots, but they did allow us to photograph a few. Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D., has analyzed the ballots for the Free Press and concluded that there is evidence of fraud in Warren County. The ballots as photographed with Dr. Phillips' commentary below each ballot are included here for the first time.

The Free Press predicted early on that the ballots would be found punched only for Bush in Warren County. The Moss v. Bush lawsuit pointed to Warren, Butler and Clermont Counties as the three counties that provided more than Bush's entire margin in the Buckeye State: Bush won Ohio by 118,000, and 132,000 votes were supplied in these three southwestern Republican counties.

Now, for the first time, the Free Press is releasing images of the obvious election fraud in Warren County. The Free Press will continue its ongoing investigation in Ohio despite stonewalling by Republican state officials. See the images by clicking on the link below.

-snip
http://freepress.org/columns/display/3/2006/1355

[DemReadingDU]

15. I think it was Miami County

Supposedly there was a 98% voter turnout in Miami County, but when the punchcards were examined, hundreds/thousands of cards were added for Bush followed by 1 for Kerry, so on and so on throughout the total ballots. Statistically, it was impossible for so many Bush ballots to be in succession of each other. I'm still looking for the link. (It could be from the RFK article in Rolling Stone, or from Richard Hayes Philips deposition.)

[mod mom]

16. Oh...that fraud:

In Miami County on Monday, June 19, 2006, Director Steve Quillan handed co-author Bob Fitrakis a print-out of what he called "freely amended results." Director Quillen said "You guys were right" regarding the voter turnout in Concord South West Precinct, which had been listed as 98.55% in the certified election results in 2004. Quillen also disavowed the alleged 94.3% voter turnout certified election results in Concord South. The Free Press has questioned those results, which would have meant that 679 out of 689 people successfully voted in Concord South West. Using a computer databank of voter history, Quillen now admits that the voter turnout was just 82.1% in Concord South West and 79.5% in Concord, discrepancies of more than 15%.

In Miami County, BOE Director Quillen also says Boy Scouts who volunteered to help on Election Day mistakenly took Concord South West ballots to the Concord East precinct. Baiman found that the pollbooks and absentee ballots in Miami County “have little to no relationship to the voters who voted in the county.” He also discovered that “At least 8% of precincts in Miami County have at least a 5% discrepancy between the number of voters who voted and the official certified number of votes.” He also noted that there were two precincts that were off by more than 100 votes.

In Miami County, both the chair and the director of the BOE admitted that the recount matched the official vote count only because they didn't use the certified results, but simply counted the ballots in the precinct and ran them through the tabulator. This is a valid tabulator test, but not a legally valid recount, since there's no benchmark.

Also in Miami County, Diane L. Miley, the BOE’s former Deputy Director said the Director allowed “Republican friends” and “high school students to take ballots out to the polls on Election Day.” Miley also says ten or more Republicans were allowed into the BOE on the evening of Election Day, when votes were being counted, which she says made her “incredibly uncomfortable.” But in going public with her assertions, Miley says she was "abandoned by the Dems . . . when I stood up at the Board of Elections."

-snip
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2006/2162

[DemReadingDU]

20. Yeh, that fraud!

Thanks for the link!

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

32. here's a another link too

AlterNet: The Ohio Vote Debacle


http://www.alternet.org/story/33006

[Judi Lynn]

24. Thanks for these links, mod mom. So glad to see them. n/t

[DemReadingDU]

26. In Clermont County

In Clermont County, which contributed significantly to Bush’s margin of victory, researcher Dr. Ronald Baiman discovered a suspicious use of replacement ballots, that are meant to be issued only if a regular ballot is somehow spoiled by a voter. In a random draw of one ballot from each of the 192 precincts, against huge odds, Baiman found a replacement ballot. Baiman asked that the next ballot from the precinct be drawn and it, too, was a replacement ballot. Continuing pulling ballots from that same precinct, Baiman witnessed 36 straight replacement ballots in a row, a virtual statistical impossibility. Dr. Philips recorded only five spoiled ballots in this same precinct, raising the question of where the other 31 replacement ballots came from.

http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2006/2162

[LiberalFighter]

55. That is a case where someone should had gotten a list of those listed as voting in precinct

And called everyone one of them to determine if they had voted.

[L. Coyote]

40. This sequence happens when ballots are switched between precincts

Imagine this represents five piles of ballots and the ballot orders for tabulating punches:

b      B      K      d      p
B      K      d      p      b 
K      d      p      b      B 
d      p      b      B      K 
p      b      B      K      d

Take a few ballots punched for Kerry from each pile and move them one pile to the left.
Now all those punch positions counts for Bush. No precinct IDs on ballots, so what could be easier?

Try this with a pile of note cards and circle the votes.

[Divine Discontent]

48. ANGER

realizing that our votes were overwhelmed by fake b*sh votes planted by some bumper sticker totin "Bush - The President" or "adam & eve not adam & steve" weirdo that is involved in the election process (the republican guys I've seen are usually oddballs that look more like abortion bombers than election officials), realllyyyyy ticks me off.. where is our justice system? how can they get away with circumventing the people's will. I see that some people in some power voiced opinions about this - but our Dem Congressmen and Senators need to voice large outrage...

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<--- top '08 items & antib*sh stickers!

[L. Coyote]

39. Compare 2000 and 2004.

Warren, OH 	Bush 71.28	Kerry 27.22
2000            Bush 69.95	Gore  27.71

I would look to Cuyahoga County for various frauds and also, for the purging of hundreds of thousands of Cleveland Democrats by GOP chair Bob Bennett acting as County BOE chair.

[LiberalFighter]

54. Why is the Republican state officials able to block the investigation?

The ballots don't belong to them!

[L. Coyote]

37. Ohio was 72.37 punch cards in 2004, and no precinct ID on ballots, so it was too easy

to switch Kerry votes to Bush votes. Just move the ballot to the wrong precinct. Precincts rotated candidate order, so a Kerry punch in one precinct is a Bush vote in another. How long was that scam being run?

[rfranklin]

9. Yeah, this doesn't look bad for Bushistas, it looks bad for Dems...

unless they just wanted to pump up the Bush votes under cover of a losing district. Because the analysis shows impossibly huge Bush votes in urban areas. Maybe Bush only got 20 votes in this distict.

[ShaneGR]

11. Easy to figure that one out, look at 2000 and 1996

From the same precinct.

[LiberalFighter]

56. It's not that easy.

The makeup of the precinct would have to remain the same from election to election.

[L. Coyote]

63. Correct. However, given a good sample size, hypothesis testing is possible if

the precincts have not changed boundaries, etc. At the least, the question can be posed and the result assessed.

This might best be done as a comparative. How does one area, ward, county, compare to others when the same question is asked.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. You would have to look at the precinct totals

and see how they varied from the historic totals. My questions is- was this kind of fraud possible in Iowa?
Kerry lost that state razor thin.

[L. Coyote]

41. Check out New Mexico, w/ 3 times more undervotes than Bush margin.

New Mexico Election Data with a Statistical Summary and a Non-Voter Analysis.
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/xls/new_mexico_county.xls



In New Mexico, why does the Sequoia and Danther E-voting equipment
fail to count so many votes? On average, 2.62% of voters did not vote
per these machines, compared to 0.46% non-votes in the Op-Scan counties.

* United Voters of New Mexico - Statistical Analysis of Voting Results - http://www.uvotenm.org/info-da.html
* Some Observations of New Mexico Election Data with links to spreadsheets - http://lnvb.westside.com/NewMexico/observations.view

[rzemanfl]

51. Bingo. A big lead in the popular vote was part of the BushCo

plan.

[dragonlady]

34. How would they stuff the ballot box in Milwaukee?

Here are my thoughts. By the way, I actually did some poll watching in this ward during the primary in 2004, so I saw the location where this took place although not on the same day.

The election workers have a way to account for the number of ballots given out. So I would believe the number of ballots they gave: 1071. How did the machine count 1219? Maybe it really didn't. There are many ways to hack a computer or program it wrongly in the first place, and the optical scan machine is just a computer.

Why would the Republicans try to fiddle with the ballots in Milwaukee instead of highly Republican areas like some of the suburbs? There was a tremendous get-out-the-vote effort here for Kerry. Also on the ballot was Gwen Moore, the first African American congressional candidate ever in Milwaukee, and the African American community was ecstatic about voting for her. (In a ward I watched in the general election, Bush got less than a dozen votes while Kerry got hundreds.) African Americans are well represented in Ward 1. But as Poe showed in The
Purloined Letter, sometimes the best place to hide something is in plain sight, in other words, in the last place you'd expect. If not for the massive Democratic voter turnout, an extra hundred votes in some of the Milwaukee wards might have made the difference in Bush winning Wisconsin. They at least counted toward Bush's popular vote total. (It seems strange to put Bush and popular in the same sentence these days, doesn't it?)

We've seen so many times already that the Republicans attack us for the very thing they have done themselves. In Milwaukee the right-wing radio talkers and Republican party leaders were very insistent about Democratic voter fraud (not proven except for trivial instances that were mostly based on voter confusion). Why should we think their ranting was not a smokescreen to cover up their own efforts to distort the election?

[rzemanfl]

49. I looked at that link. I was appalled at the voting in places I have

lived in the past. One thing is clear though, * did not win in the City of Milwaukee. That article out of New Zealand, "Ghost Voters" from a few weeks ago was on the mark.

Part of the Rove plan was to pad the popular vote, why not give * a few votes in precincts where he lost massively, who'd notice or care? If * did not have that bogus lead in the popular vote nationally, Kerry might have fought over Ohio.

[LiberalFighter]

53. IT doesn't necessarily need to have candidate win Democratic precincts

If Democratic leaning precincts with more Republican votes than normal are added to Republican leaning precincts it could change the balance of the election.

[debbierlus]

10. K&R

:dem:

[rainy]

13. The big question here is: What the hell are we going to do about it?

What will it take? There is so much evidence but nothing gets done.

[defendandprotect]

17. Don't worry . . . Gonzales is "fixing" the Justice Department -- !!!!

He'll probably make all this evidence disappear and then you won't have to worry about it any more!!

Meanwhile, what is the Democratic leadership going to do about it -- ????

[GreenTea]

21. Thanks Brad for the tireless work (and appreciate the tough struggle) to expose the republican

lies, manipulations, fraud, intimidation, tossing of Democrats off the voting rolls in strong Dem districts...Republican Secretary of State who count the votes and encourage & allow this bullshit to occur for their parties benefit.

And of course the republican owned (ES&S & Diebold) electronic voting machines which have been stealing elections for the republicans since their inception (and now are in place in something like 90% of the country's voting precincts, just waiting for the 2008 elections).

This issue is the single most important issue and what bothers me most...If our votes aren't being counted accurately how will we ever get candidates in office who want to end the war, care about education, our social services, environmental issues, health care.... if hacking continues it becomes impossible to change any of it as long as the corporate republicans candidates keep stealing elections by hacking our votes nothing can or will change.

The electronic voting machines are a wonderful tool for the republicans to stay in power and force their ideology, agenda down our throats...no matter how much we protest in the streets we need our vote to be accurately counted! The owned corporate media certainly is not going to help expose it, it's not in their best interest.

The republicans will continue to steal elections as long as the software remains secret in their filthy republican hands. They couldn't have "won" in many of the areas where they now hold seats without cheating.

Why should ANY corporation own our voting machines in the first place in which our taxes pay for them...Why? The republicans who want to privatize everything, it's to their advantage to steal elections because the machines are so easy to hack, and to change the vote totals.

We really need to move forward, and stop using the corporate owned, extremely easily hackable electronic voting machines, and use have paper ballots, that are verifiable, easily counted. that (ALL paper ballots counted, including provisional paper ballots)!

Who gives a fuck how long it takes to count, accuracy is far more important than speed. Every voters vote should count...That's NOT what we have with the republican owned machines.

Without all our votes accurately being counted, how can we ever change anything, while the republicans keep taking offices by easy manipulation of the machines...The republicans certainly don't want to change the way the votes are being counted (or not counted) - they will fight hard to keep their bullshit, Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) written by republicans in place. The same republican were quite aware while writing that bullshit lying Act that the machines can easily steal elections for them....Since the machines (ES&S & Diebold) are programed & serviced, only by self proclaimed republican owners/corporations.

We the voters are NOT allowed to inspect the software...In so much as whatever the machines reads becomes the winner and no way to do any kind of accurate recount.

And when obvious voting manipulations have occurred much too frequently (and not nearly as exposed with how much manipulation goes on with the machines)...Why do the republicans benefit from the machines obvious fuck up results about 100% of the time?

[L. Coyote]

42. Despair about e-voting may be incorrect in some cases, like Ohio 2006.

When Ohio finally switched aweay from easily switched punch cards, Dems swept the state offices. That was with Diebold machines.

It is not the machine that is the problem, it is the HACK! The fraudulent code!

If anarchists successfully hacked all the elections, you would see paper ballots overnight!

[drm604]

22. K&R

This needs to be pursued and criminal charges need to be brought. They may refuse to prosecute it, or Bush may pardon or commute those found guilty, but that will be just one more injustice thrown in the faces of the American people. If they intend to thwart justice, then lets force them to do it as often and as publicly as possible.

[Enthusiast]

23. These S.O.B.s are preparing for the 2008 election

They will do it again in 2008. I still wonder what kind of a country these Republican jerks want to live in. Our election process is the most sacred of all. If one is an advocate of tampering with the vote they are anti-democratic.

[LaPera]

25. Your ALWAYS on top of it Brad. The Peter B Collins show on Friday's

and when you've been subbing for Peter "Live From the left Coast" is always informative and interesting! http://www.peterbcollins.com/

I encourage everyone to send you a donate as I do now and again. http://www.bradfriedman.com/ Thanks again Brad!

[LeftHander]

27. Ballot boxes stuffed with Bush votes in heavy Dem wards....

With the margin of Bush victory small where is best place to hide ballot stuffing?

In places that lean heavy on the dems. You can hide there. Regardless the workers will be investigated and we will find out who the votes were for. My guess is it will be Bush votes...

[yardwork]

28. Thank you! Please forward to John Conyers.

[peacetalksforall]

31. Was there a Samantha Smith and is that her signature and does

she have a relative named Jane (Smith)?

[madrchsod]

35. we will count every vote........

several hours later......it`s for the good of the country. i`ll never forgive kerry.

[L. Coyote]

36. The wall will crumble. Ohio had election fraud too, and in plain sight too.

OHIO 2004: 6.15% Kerry-Bush vote-switch found in probability study
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x259620

Defining the vote outcome probabilities of wrong-precinct voting has revealed, in a sample of 166,953 votes (1/34th of the Ohio vote), the Kerry-Bush margin changes 6.15% when the population is sorted by probable outcomes of wrong-precinct voting.

The Kerry to Bush 6.15% vote-switch differential is seen when the large sample is sorted by probability a Kerry wrong-precinct vote counts for Bush. ...

--------------------------------------------------
FROM: How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

... The fact that the irregularities discussed herein are known and have been reported to multiple jurisdictions and law enforcement entities, and yet no official inquiry into the election has occurred, illustrates the broader failure of the current election process and judicial system to respond to election fraud and irregularities or to hold officials accountable for their actions. Polling places should never have been arranged such as in Ohio, with multiple ballot orders and separate casting and counting devices. Measures are required to prevent the possibility of similar future flawed election designs. To this end, control of elections should be removed from competing political interests and actors to politically-independent processes, with at the least, independent and political oversight of elections.

Many more conclusions remain to be made as study and analysis continues. The 2004 Ohio election ballots must be preserved to allow further investigations. If this study illustrates anything, hopefully it is the degree to which this problem has not yet been fully considered, and the complete failure of officials to respond. During an era of new voting system technologies and reforms, careful consideration of past errors may prove useful in avoiding their repetition and in preventing future abuses of process and power.

The 2004 Ohio Presidential election remains to be fully investigated. The blatant evidence of irregularities and unfairness of organization continues to be ignored by the authorities who have been informed of the evidence.

[madrchsod]

38. the fraud happened several weeks before the election in ohio

the governor sat on the coin-gate scandal for several weeks before the election and there was a reported phone call to the whitehouse-rove. there is where the fraud took place in ohio. if the coin-gate would have been announced before the election the democrats i am sure kerry would have won no more how many votes the rove machine stole.

[L. Coyote]

45. Factor in GOP chair Bob Bennett purging voters in 90% Dem Cleveland

by the hundreds of thousands, the long lines, the challengers, and all the other dirty-tricks, and then, to add insult to injury, if you were one of those who jumped throught all those hoops, if you voted for Kerry they may have counted your vote for Bush instead!!!!

[OzarkDem]

58. Ohio news media sat on the story too

the only big daily that began reporting on it was the Toledo Blade, and it took them a while.

Bush just came to town to meet with the new Plain Dealer editor, wonder what he has in mind. I know they're not covering much about Iraq, Bush or anything important these days.

[OnyxCollie]

43. I sent that to my statistics professor.

He was not too impressed. He wrote back to me and told me what was lacking. Unfortunately, after the class ended I lost access to the email. Not that I understood what he told me. (I'm not very good at statistics. Plus, numbers are the tools of the Devil.) :evilgrin:

[L. Coyote]

44. Too bad you didn't understand. Let us know if and when you do.

The probability sort analysis was repeated with other subsets, and the pattern repeats:

http://jqjacobs.net/politics/xls/cuyahoga_precincts_analysis.xls

[OnyxCollie]

46. Lol! That's not likely to happen anytime soon.

After 20 years since high school math class, I could barely remember how to do long division when I took quantitative research methods last semester.

On edit: I can't even correctly add the years since I graduated from high school. Thankfully, there is qualitative research.

[Botany]

52. Why do I think a U.S. Attorney is in the middle of this?

:grr:

[mod mom]

60. Because you are a wise soul, Botany.

:hi:

Did you see the Dispatch wrote an article on USA for N Ohio Gregory White's comment on soliciting for the USA position by saying no one campaigned harder for *? It also implicated going through rove. :mad:

here's the DU link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2926941

[Nothing Without Hope]

57. Thank you, Brad! K & R n/t

[ohio2007]

59. What if Wisconsin had a recount

Wisconsin went blue by a small margin

[Dj13Francis]

61. What about Clint Curtis in 2006?

Stolen elections have been happening regularly since 2000. Max Cleland in 2002, Kerry in 2004, and five house seats in Florida in 2006. I worked with the Clint Curtis campaign before and after the election. Right before election day a Zogby poll had the race at dead even with 10% undecided. However Clint Curtis lost to Teflon Tom "The Fiend" Feeney by 16 points. Once we got the numbers from the counties and analyzed them, it was clear that the official count was fishy. We went house to house canvassing and getting affidavits signed as to people's votes. Incredibly, though a small percentage of people wanted nothing to do with signing this paper, we were able to collect more than the official count said we should have. These people swore under penalty of perjury as to their votes, and it was clear that we had the proof we needed to contest the election. That is until the Democrats in the House Administration Committee threw out the case without even looking at the evidence. This kind of thing will keep happening until we stop letting it happen.

[Botany]

64. Mary Jo Kilroy was 12 points up on Deb Pryce in Central OH (polls)

Fox News called it for Kilroy 52 to 48%

but by magic Pryce got 50.1% and kept her place in congress ....

According to some who have good knowledge we have to win by >12 points
in order to win the elections.

[flyarm]

66. look over there..no over there..fla was stolen big in 2004 and everyone ignores that!

Fla was a bigger steal in 2004 than it was in 2000!!

and the problem is it was nationwide..while most look in one place and the attention span is on one place..

it happens when we are told by the media for months ahead ..how close the races are when they are not...so when they do steal it most of the electorate poo poo's stolen elections and say..well it was so close..

i warned of this long before the general in 2004//i kept saying they are going to say the numbers are close once the dem convention took place..and i watched the numbers switch over night....in states all over the country..

fla was a huge steal in 2004..

and everyone overlooks it...

and now the entire nation will have the pleasure of DRE's..that can not in any possible way be audited!!

welcome to our world..of stolen elections ..

and our worst enemy is dems who refuse to do anything about the problem..and say see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil on this bullshit

we were told to basically shut up about the voting machines in 2004 in fla..many of us were screaming out about them..long before the 2004 election..and we were told we were conspiracy theorists..by the dem party!

state wide and nationally.

our elections in Fla have been stolen in 2000 , 2002 , 2004, and 2006


welcome to our world the rest of you.......

i too worked with Clint Curtis..all you need to do is see him switch the votes on his computer to feel sick to your stomach!!

i was also a POll watcher at large ..( one of only two "at large" poll watchers in my county)

I worked everyday during the primaries, and every day during two weeks of early vote ..15 hours a day..and for the general in 2004..the shenanigans i saw would make your hair curl!

i was also one of a very few to test the sequoia machines after the election...machines pulled at random out of the warehouse.of which the machine i was testing switched votes..

and yes it was considered abdominable before the 2004 election in fla to say negative remarks about the damn machines..within the dem party


and now after the 2006 election debackle..in Sarasota and four other counties..the same people within the dem party that were basically telling me to shut the hell up ..were asking for money for recounts and audits in the Jennings election.

the same people within the dem party ( FDP) that wouldn't help my county try to do audits on the machines in the spring of 2006..and i and others had to put up the money for the audits ( which were worthless and can't be done on the sequoia dre's) were asking me for money for the audits and recounts in Sarasota..

well i wrote on the money requests..fuck you!!

and now with the Holt bill..was it great?? no ...was it better than what we now have ..yes.

and instead of us all working together, there was a group that decided it was better to work against making it better..and destroying it and blowing it up ..than working to make it better..

well personally ..i give up..since none of us can get our collective heads out of our asses long enough to stop the vote stealing and if you think it will be better in 2008 with or without the holt bill ..i have some swamp land for you in fla cheap!

and when bev harris asks you for money after 2008 since she has now protected her income...whatever state she runs to with her damned foia bullshit ..good luck!!

i already got her new scam of a letter today looking for donations..fuck her and all who support that lying sack of crap!

fly

[Rosa Luxemburg]

62. Evidence of fraud and other wrong doings but America is powerless

so far

[L. Coyote]

65. Only as powerless as we think we are. There is a concerted effort to spread despair

and hopelessness, it seems to me. Is it an effort to make us think voting is pointless. I suspect so. It is also a sign of desperation.

If people fall for this despair thinking, it spells disenfranchisement. If people act, it spells change.

America is whatever we make it. We can cry, moan, and do nothing, or we can burn shoe leather registering voters, attend demonstrations, organize protests, print fliers, make buttons, burn bras, or whatever it takes to make our world change to a better place. Here is what was happening in my neighborhood today. These folks are doing something, and having fun doing it, just a couple of hours ago. This demonstration happens every single day.

[Melissa G]

68. Excellent! Great Idea to protest everyday! n/t

[Kurovski]

67. kick. (nt)