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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:12 AM
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Committee Requests Specific Tillman Documents from the White House
Source: House Ovsight

Today Chairman Waxman and Ranking Member Davis sent a letter to the White House requesting specific documents related to the death of U.S. Army Corporal Patrick Tillman, who was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan in 2004.

The White House has made available for staff review approximately 400-450 pages, which had previously been redacted or withheld. Following this review, the Committee is requesting that the White House provide the Committee several internal e-mail communications as well as drafts of the President' s remarks about Corporal Tillman at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

In addition, the Committee has announced its intention to interview or depose former White House officials, including Dan Bartlett, Scott McClellan, and Michael Gerson, regarding when and how White House and Pentagon officials learn of Corporal Tillman's death.

Read more: http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1429
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:19 AM
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1. Rec'd. I'm glad they're pursuing this. nt
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:20 AM
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2. republicon chickenhawks: stop lying about our soldiers and veterans
Tell the truth to the families and the American people about our sons and daughters in uniform.

Stop lying to us.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:23 PM
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13. You know, having just lost my brother in Iraq, I can say this...

...losing your loved one is hard enough as it is. I cannot imagine the torment the Tillman family is going through. They are a beacon of class, grace, and dignity for ALL Gold Star Families.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:28 AM
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3. Rec #5 accomplished. n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:43 AM
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4. The request will be ignored. Followup requests will be ignored.
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 11:44 AM by kestrel91316
Subpoenas will be defied.

I am beginning to sense a pattern here.....
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:55 AM
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7. Yeah, kinda depressing isn't it? nt
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:39 PM
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9. yes, that will happen
they're on a roll now. why would they back down now? :shrug:
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:51 AM
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5. K & R - NM.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:53 AM
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6. K&R.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:22 PM
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8. Wanna bet the White House will once again invoke "executive privlige"??
And Congress will once again roll over and play dead?? Wake me up when something meaningful happens. It's a broken record.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:29 PM
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10. If they do it means chuckle-nuts is involved in the cover-up...
If he isn't, there's no privilege.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:55 PM
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11. Great News....Marcy Wheeler (Empty Wheel) thought this would get "Joe Sixpack's" attention
if the Bushies stonewall on a Football hero being killed and the circumstances covered up.

Only thing is...will the MSM ever cover it for "Joe Sixpack?"
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:19 PM
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12. ESPN has actually done a pretty good job of covering this. I suggest we keep them posted,
just in case they need any convincing that the public is still following the story.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:28 PM
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14. Who killed Patrick Tillman and why was he killed?
...The whole official story stinks!

<snip>
Who Killed Pat Tillman?
by Michael I. Niman
Published in the Humanist, January/February 2006


The American mass media are like tired old dogs, dutifully fetching official lies on command and dropping them like bones at the feet of an unsuspecting public. We in turn reward them by buying both the products and the myths they sell us. Eventually, however, the products fail and the myths unravel. When the government's popularity wanes sufficiently, despite the support of a compliant press, even old dogs can come up with new tricks, reviving the lost art of investigative reporting.

Take the Pat Tillman story. Remember him? He was the star National Football League defensive back who, after the 9/11 attacks, walked away from his $3.6 million contract with the Arizona Cardinals to enlist as an elite U.S. Army Ranger and go off to Afghanistan to whip some terrorist ass. No matter what your opinion on the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, or your theory on who was ultimately responsible for the 9/11 attacks, Tillman was clearly acting as a selfless hero in the traditional sense of the word. The media sang only one song at the time-dirtbags in Afghanistan did this to us-and "deterrence" through violent retribution was the only discussable response. Both Tillman and his brother Kevin, like most every American, bought into the program-but they actually volunteered to fight.

After joining up, however, they weren't shipped off to Afghanistan, where they believed terrorists were holed up, but to Iraq to fight in a newly minted war that didn't exist when they signed away control of their lives. Here's where the recruiting poster image deviated from the script. There was a lot more depth to Tillman, who was pursuing a master's degree in history, than one would normally expect of an NFL gladiator. Afghanistan had been an easier sell, but Tillman would never buy the official line on Iraq. At one point, according to a San Francisco Chronicle article published nearly a year and half after his death, he told fellow Rangers fighting in Iraq that the war was, "so fucking illegal." A close friend told the paper, "That's who he was-he totally was against Bush." Tillman's mother clarified, explaining that her son believed the Afghanistan war was justified by the September 11th attacks but "Pat was very critical of the whole Iraq War." Another friend, who served with him, recalled how Tillman admonished fellow Rangers to vote Bush out of office in the forthcoming presidential election.

The Chomsky Factor

Tillman, we now know, was also in contact with one of his favorite authors, America's leading intellectual dissident, Noam Chomsky. According the Chronicle, Tillman had set up a meeting with Chomsky to take place when he returned from Afghanistan, where he eventually wound up after serving his tour in Iraq.

This image of a Chomsky-loving, anti-Bush, anti-Iraq-war hero (at a time when most of the U.S. population supported the administration's foreign policy), flew in the face of the official Bush administration portrait of Tillman, painted by dutiful media whores like Ann Coulter, who once described him in near-racialist terms as "An American original-virtuous, pure and masculine, like only an American can be." (Max Blumenthal, blogging for the online Huffington Post, asked if we could have Coulter's line in the original German).

As both wars droned on, Tillman, the picture perfect poster boy, evolved into something of a wild card. With a Chomsky meeting on the horizon there existed a very real possibility that Tillman, in the weeks leading up to the 2004 presidential election, might go public with his anti-war, anti-Bush views, dealing a critical blow to the very foundation of the Bush administration's propaganda pyramid. That day never came, however. On April 22, 2004, Tillman was killed while on patrol in Afghanistan by three American bullets to the head.

Jessica Lynch Redux

Immediately, evidence surrounding the killing began to disappear. One day after his death someone burned his body armor. Two days later someone burned his uniform. At some point his journal, which he religiously wrote in, went missing. With that journal disappeared Tillman's voice.

Meanwhile the Bush administration's professional liars began spinning one of their tallest tales, with their cohorts in the Pentagon explaining how the hero Tillman was killed by enemy fire. Bush himself chimed in to announce that Tillman was "an inspiration on and off the football field, as with all who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror." The Pentagon, as it did with the Jessica Lynch story, spewed forth so many lies as to bury itself under an obvious pile of bullshit. The Army issued Tillman a postmortem Silver Star for bravery, explaining in the process how, "through the firing Tillman's voice was heard issuing fire commands to take the fight to the enemy on the dominating hill ground." And this is the story the media reported to the world.

Reports of Fratricide

But files obtained by Tillman's mother, from three Army investigations into the killing, document a different set of last words. According to testimony issued by a fellow Ranger, who was at Tillman's side when he was killed, the last words Tillman shouted before being shot were, "Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat Fucking Tillman, dammit!"

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, Ranger commanders received a report the day after his death stating that Tillman died in a suspected act of fratricide, the crime of killing members of your own group. But the more they were confronted with the truth of what happened, the harder Army officials stuck to the official lies. One week after his death they pulled the Silver Star move, successfully milking the hero dying in action myth in a compliant media environment. Two weeks after his death the Army's official casualty report stated that he was killed by enemy forces. Six weeks later, however, with the mythic version of Tillman's killing firmly embedded in the American conscious, and with the Tillman story safely buried in the ashbin of "old news," the Army finally told Tillman's family that the official cause of death was "fratricide."

By all accounts, Tillman was popular and loved by the troops with whom he served-supporting the theory that his death was in fact a tragic accident. One of the Army investigations, however, suggested leveling charges of criminal intent against the killer or killers, prompting Tillman's mother to ask, "I want to know what kind of criminal intent there was." But all she has been able to glean from over 2,000 pages of official reports are contradictions, continuously changing stories, and countless blacked out lines.

Putting It All Together

What we have with the Tillman case is a cover-up and a fabrication. What was covered up was the embarrassing reality surrounding the futility of his death-the wasting of an iconic American hero. What was fabricated was a fairy tale story of a heroic battle, one that would support the Bush administration's global war effort while not undermining its military recruiting. What was deliberately ignored was an incident at his funeral-reported in the May 4, 2004, San Francisco Chronicle and New York Daily News-when Tillman's youngest brother, Rich, took offense at words that Tillman was now "with God"; he stated to the gathering, "Pat isn't with God. He's fucking dead. He wasn't religious." More importantly, what was buried was the complex story of Pat Tillman's opposition to the Iraq war and the Bush agenda. Murdered in this fabrication and cover-up, therefore, was the real Pat Tillman. According to his father, "The administration clearly was using this case for its own political reasons. This cover-up started within minutes of Pat's death, and it started at high levels."

Only now, as a flood of public opinion is forcing the media to report critically about the Bush administration, will we possibly see a real investigation into how Pat Tillman died. And if we are persistent enough we might even see a proper investigation into why Tillman, and thousands of other Americans, and tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis, had to give up their lives.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Michael I. Niman is a professor of journalism at Buffalo State College in New York. This article is adapted from the version appearing in the November 10, 2005, issue of ArtVoice. Dr. Niman's previous articles are archived at www.mediastudy.com.

<LINK> http://www.thehumanist.org/humanist/articles/Niman.JanFeb06.html
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:07 PM
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15. wow, thanks, Whistle
I have read smatterings of the story, but never anything that pulled so much together.

There is one error - he actually was killed in Afghanistan.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/dates/2004/apr/22/patrick-d-tillman/
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:22 PM
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16. -snip-
On April 22, 2004, Tillman was killed while on patrol in Afghanistan by three American bullets to the head.


:shrug:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:27 PM
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18. oops! thanks
didn't read carefully - I saw the part where he was in Iraq and missed that line.

so he was in Iraq, raising hell about the illegality of the war, and he got sent to Afghanistan where he waq killed "accidentally"

i reiterate from a post below - I have some really graphic video of what our snipers in Afghanistan do for a living...
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:34 PM
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19. What does Noam Chomsky say?
If Tillman was in contact with him and if the famous linguistics expert and author was going to give him a meeting, might there not be some Internet communication between them?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 05:32 PM
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24. Damn! Very interesting.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:23 PM
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17. If they keep probing everywhere, they will find a smoking gun
This just might be it. This story smelled to high heaven from day one. The main thing that I found so wierd was the depth and breadth and rapidity of the coverup.

That sort of thing does not get clamped down that fast without the orders coming from high up. And the fact is, people high up would not get the word of his "accidental" death fast enough to realize the implications and turn around and shut it down so fast.

But if they knew in advance...

All they had to do was have one sniper with no soul. And, as much as I respect the people in uniform, the fact is there ARE cases where they have gone over to the Dark Side of the Force. Always have been. My Dad had plenty of stories to tell about a few army rangers in Hawaii in WWII. Many of these are the ones who go on to become mercenaries. How good does THAT make you feel about Blackwell's "security forces?" They might even have used one of them - not an active duty guy at all. Three bullets to the head? THAT is a highly-trained sniper* - or more than one (unless the last two were delivered at close range when he was already down). And that means he was a carefully selected target. Could STILL be a mistaken selection, of course. But it smells.



*If anyone wants to see what our snipers in Afghanistan do for a living, I have some really graphic video.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:54 PM
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20. interesting clip from faux news
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509290001

these clowns just keep on truckin, no matter how many times they are proven wrong...

more:

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1007-22.htm
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:14 PM
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21. Chomsky also confirmed that a meeting was set up between he and Pat Tillman
After reading Ann Coulter's comments from that link you provided, I feel like I need a barf bag.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:58 PM
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23. Here is more on the Tillman killing and in particular confirmation
...by Noam Chomsky about the meeting he was to have with Tillman:

<snip>
The Suspicious Death of Pat Tillman July 13, 2007:
<cut>
There's still no answer to other troubling questions such as how Tillman could have been hit by "three closely spaced shots to the forehead" in a supposedly "chaotic firefight" in conditions of "poor visibility". That kind of kill is classic sniper and scope work. Or why his journal, in which he recorded every day his growing disgust with the Iraq War and the administration's policies, was immediately destroyed, along with his uniform.

We have confirmed that Tillman had arranged to meet with a leading anti-war intellectual, Noam Chomsky, upon his return stateside. One can imagine the panic in the Office of the Secretary of Defense at the vision of the much trumpeted poster-boy hero of the War on Terror returning home and speaking out against the evil charade of the War.
That aspect, combined with the nature of the wounds, the destruction of evidence, the first-level coverup, and the dream promotion of the commander in charge... well, you see where this is going.

No wonder Mary Tillman, Pat's mom, has denounced the investigation report. In this video interview, she demands a congressional investigation, and says it "cannot be ruled out" that her son was murdered.

<much more>

http://www.dvmx.com/pat_tillman_death.html
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southtpa Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:31 PM
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22. good shooting for a deaf blind man
thats about what the official verdict is. Shot three times IN the head from 75 yds. by someone who could not see that he was in an American uniform or hear him shouting. He would be dead and falling on the first shot two more head shots would be impossible. If you run the numbers on Cheney's hunting accident you'll see that story is impossible. If you want someone to believe a lie it's got to be plausible. Republicans don't even lie well, often but not well.
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