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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:35 PM
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GOP fundraiser to feature machine gun shoot
Source: New Hampshire Union Leader

MANCHESTER – City Republicans will be packing some serious firepower at their next party fundraiser.

Tired of the usual chicken dinners, the Manchester Republican Committee is planning to arm supporters next month with Uzis, M-16 rifles and other automatic weapons for a day of target practice at a Pelham firing range.

"The thought just struck me one day: a machine gun shoot. What the heck?" said Jerry Thibodeau, the committee chairman.



Read more: http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=GOP+fundraiser+to+feature+machine+gun+shoot&articleId=dff9058f-d867-4f10-8894-8ce94d13268b



I wonder if they'll invite the guy from the YouTube debate who called his gun collection "my babies"?
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:35 PM
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1. Maybe that nut case from the YouTube debate
will bring his "baby."
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Damn! You beat me to it.
That was going to be my post word for word. I'm sure the invitation is in the mail.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:36 PM
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2. At first I thought this was a joke. Now I'm just amazed and
disgusted. This is just sooooooooooooo republican.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:39 PM
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3. If the Dems did it, I'd go. n/t

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:43 PM
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4. Me too!
Recreational firing on full auto is fun! I wouldn't pick the M-16 though. It's bad to raise up after you've let go only 3 rouds or so.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:19 PM
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29. Manchester Firing Line...
right near the airport has machine gun rentals, but can be pricey...

http://www.gunsnh.com/pricelists.php

I've been to the Hanson machine gun shoot a couple of times (didn't make it this year), and it was a blast (pun intended).

http://www.hansonrodandgunclub.com/machinegun.html

I'd love to be able to take up collecting full-auto firearms... unfortunately even a low-end sub-gun is waaaaaay out of my price range. :(
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 04:34 AM
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40. The big problem with owning a full-auto weapon is the permit
I hear you have to jump through hoops to get the license. You have to submit to unannounced inspections. Cops could show up any time day or night. And you have to create a virtual Fort Knox, which is appropriate IMO, to deter theft of the weapons.

I have a paintball gun that fires full auto and that's as close as I want to get to owning such a firearm.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:53 AM
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37. Yeah, sounds like fun
Just as long as they're not using pictures of Democrats as targets, I have no objection to this.

Of course, it COULD get pretty ugly if Dick Cheney were to show up....!!!
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:45 PM
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5. Where the hell did they get the license to own assault weapons???
If that's legal, somebody please tell me!
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:49 PM
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6. The assault weapons ban was not renewed...
I'm not an expert on how such things work, but I recall hearing that the ban had to be renewed or it would expire, and it was allowed to expire, so apparently, private ownership of fully-automatic assault weapons is once again legal.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:17 PM
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13. See, you are a victim of way false advertising
The same way Bush convinced America that Saddam attacked us on 9/11, the Brady campaign and anti-gun Democrats convinced you that the 1993 Assault Weapons Ban was on full-auto, military-grade hardware. It was not. It was on semi-automatic rifles that have combinations of features that make them look scary military.

The ban expired because it was stupid. The gun makers and importers removed the prohibited combinations of features and continued to sell the modified, fully legal, guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_assault_weapons_ban
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:41 PM
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18. So fully automatic military weapons were NOT covered by this ban?
I really need to read up on this.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Nope, they never were.
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 03:03 PM by dicksteele
The laws on Class III firearms were not altered by
the dishonestly-named "assault weapons ban".

And the sales of the SEMI-automatic "banned" rifles
went up during those years, because the ban only
really outlawed a few external cosmetic features.

The "ban" never actually BANNED anything- it was BS
from the start.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Correct, full autos are regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934
The federal "AW" ban had absolutely nothing to do with them.

Proponents of the AW ban were more than happy to allow people to hold a misunderstanding that the AW ban was the only thing keeping people from walking into K-Mart and buying machine guns. I remember a CBS News documentary in 1994 about the ban, which was under discussion at the time. There was a clip of an M16 rifle dumping a 30-round magazine full auto, and absolutely no commentary to clarify that the proposed law did NOT cover that kind of weapon.

On another occasion, Senator Feinstein simulated spraying fully automatic fire from the hip with an imaginary weapon while trying to explain the ban to someone. Given Congresswoman McCarthy's recent gaffe in which she admitted not knowing what a barrel shroud was, I am not fully convinced that DiFi knew better.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 02:52 AM
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39. Not in the least
Full-auto weapons were regulated back in 1934, as part of the fight againt bootleggers and organized crime. Back then, you could buy, through mail-order, full-auto Thompson submachine guns.

The Tommy gun fired .45-caliber pistol cartridges from a 100-round magazine at a rate of about 750 rounds per minute, and it had TWO of those evil, evil pistol grips. A simplified (easier and cheaper to manufacture) version was issued to US troops during World War Two and Korea. Tom Hanks carried one in Saving Private Ryan.






The civilian-legal versions of military service weapons were what were attacked for having certain cosmetic features. As an example...


This is a semi-automatic rifle fed from a detachable magazine (not shown) with traditional wood 'furniture'.





This is a semi-automatic rifle fed from a detachable magazine (not shown) with a black weatherproof synthetic stock and a protruding pistol grip. California and I believe Connecticut considers this an 'assault weapon', and probably New York, New Jersey, and Massachusettes as well.





This is a semi-automatic rifle fed from a detachable magazine (not shown) with a black weatherproof synthetic stock, a proturding pistol grip, and a folding buttstock. Considered an 'assault weapon' under the federal 1993 Assault Weapons Ban.




In all three cases a detachable magazine is inserted into the gun right in front of the trigger guard. Magazines are available in capacities from 5 to 90, but are typically 10 rounds in restricted states and 30 rounds in non-restricted states. That 90-rounder is expensive! And heavy.

But I digress...

The point of all the pretty pictures I just posted is this:

They are all the same gun. Not three similar guns, the exact same gun with different 'furniture' attached to the mechanicals. A couple of minutes with a screwdriver is all it takes. Each picture is of the same Ruger Mini-14!





The Mini-14 fires the exact same ammunition as the Army's M-16 rifle, 5.56x45mm NATO. The Mini-14 and the civilian version of the M-16, called the AR-15, are identical in operation, capacity, and caliber. Both are semi-automatic rifles that shoot 5.56mm ammunition, are fed from a detachable magazine. Both can have pistol grips, laser sights, flashlights, and scopes attached to them. The Mini-14's design is considered somewhat more reliable, the AR-15's is considered more accurate.

Nicely-equipped, high-quality AR-15:



Mini-14 with upgrades so it's similar to above:
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. I have a question: Why does the presence of a pistol grip confer
'assault weapon' status? I never understood the rationale behind that (unlike high capacity magazines)

Thanks
:)
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:49 PM
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48. Oh, you didn't hear?
According to the Brady campaign it lets a person spray bullets with accuracy, just like Arh-nuld does in the movie "Commando"! :eyes:

Q: What is the difference between semi-automatic hunting rifles and semi-automatic assault weapons?

A: Sporting rifles and assault weapons are two distinct classes of firearms. While semi-automatic hunting rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semi-automatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire. Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design, a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.

Opponents of the ban argue that such weapons only "look scary." However, because they were designed for military purposes, assault weapons are equipped with combat hardware, such as silencers, folding stocks and bayonets, which are not found on sporting guns. Assault weapons are also designed for rapid-fire and many come equipped with large ammunition magazines allowing 50 more bullets to be fired without reloading. So there is a good reason why these features on high-powered weapons should frighten the public.

Assault weapons are commonly equipped with some or all of the following combat features:

  • A large-capacity ammunition magazine, enabling the shooter to continuously fire dozens of rounds without reloading. Standard hunting rifles are usually equipped with no more than 3 or 4-shot magazines.

  • A folding stock on a rifle or shotgun, which sacrifices accuracy for concealability and for mobility in close combat.

  • A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun, which facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon. A pistol grip also helps the shooter stabilize the firearm during rapid fire and makes it easier to shoot assault rifles one-handed.

  • A barrel shroud, which is designed to cool the barrel so the firearm can shoot many rounds in rapid succession without overheating. It also allows the shooter to grasp the barrel area to stabilize the weapon, without incurring serious burns, during rapid fire.

  • A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, which serves no useful sporting purpose. The flash suppressor allows the shooter to remain concealed when shooting at night, an advantage in combat but unnecessary for hunting or sporting purposes. In addition, the flash suppressor is useful for providing stability during rapid fire, helping the shooter maintain control of the firearm.

  • A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a silencer, which is useful to assassins but clearly has no purpose for sportsmen. Silencers are illegal so there is no legitimate purpose for making it possible to put a silencer on a weapon.

  • A barrel mount designed to accommodate a bayonet, which obviously serves no sporting purpose.

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/faqs/?page=awb

    <boldface mine>


The basic idea here is that the Brady Campaign thinks that Americans only have the right to own 'sporting' guns, and if a gun has any capability to be used effectively for self-defense, then it must be banned as a weapon of mass destruction.

While semi-automatic hunting rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semi-automatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire.


All rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder, and all rifles depend on the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile. What enables an 'assault weapon' to achieve rapid, aimed fire is the fact that they use a relatively low-powered cartridge that generates little recoil. The 5.56mm NATO cartridge that the AR-15 and Mini-14 fires is actually the near the bottom of the chart in terms of power. Looking at Winchester's website, the 5.56mm is beaten by all but six or seven cartridges, and three of them date back to the Wild West era!

Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design, a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.


No, not really. It is actually easier to fire from the hip with a traditionally-stocked rifle because you don't have to bend you wrist so much. I guess by "control" they mean "not dropping the gun into the dirt", because you sure as hell can't hit anything while firing from the hip. That whole "bring gun up to the shoulder and aim" thing. I guess if you had a laser sight on your rifle then you could fire accurately from the hip by watching the red laser dot, regardless of the gun you had, but without the gun up to your shoulder you have less ability to absorb recoil.


A large-capacity ammunition magazine, enabling the shooter to continuously fire dozens of rounds without reloading. Standard hunting rifles are usually equipped with no more than 3 or 4-shot magazines.


Okay, any gun with a detachable magazine can have any capacity you want. The Ruger Mini-14 ships with only a 5-round magazine, and Ruger does not offer anything larger. Other companies offer 10-, 20-, 30-, 40-, and if you have about $120 bucks to spend, 90-round magazines. During the 1993 ban, new so-called 'high capacity' magazines were not legal to be sold to the general public. However, there were plenty of old ones kicking around that were perfectly legal to own and sell, and people did. I mean, the AK-47 was in servie for almost sixty years before the ban, so there were PLENTY of military-surplus magazines floating around the world!

Traditional hunting rifles of the last century were at first World War 1 military-surplus bolt-action rifles converted for sporting use, and new rifles in non-military calibers were based on those. They typically held no more than 5 rounds in a non-removable magazines. Bolt-actions were prefered because they are cheaper to make than semi-autos, are more reliable in harsh condidtions, are more accurate, are easier to make in a variety of calibers, and are friendly to hand-loading ammunition.

A folding stock on a rifle or shotgun, which sacrifices accuracy for concealability and for mobility in close combat.


Even a folded stock on a rifle makes it long and unwieldy. A Mini-14 is still over two feet long even with the stock folded, about 4 times longer than most pistols (the overwhelming choice for criminals, by the way). And with the stock folded the gun is harder to shoot accurately and to control recoil. Besides, a couple of minutes will a saw will take off a gun's stock.

A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun, which facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon. A pistol grip also helps the shooter stabilize the firearm during rapid fire and makes it easier to shoot assault rifles one-handed.


The hip-firing thing we addressed ealier. The pistol grip does not really add anything to the stabilization of the gun, in my limited experience. As to the 'shooting assault rifles one-handed' stuff, well, LOL at that one!

Do me a favor... go the fridge, right now, and pull out an unopened gallon of milk. Now, extend your arm straight out with that gallon of milk in your hand and pretend it's a pistol. Now try to aim.

Having fun? A gallon of milk weighs 8 pounds, which is about what an empty AR-15 weighs. Now imagine that gallon of milk jumping around every time you pulled an imaginary trigger.

A barrel shroud, which is designed to cool the barrel so the firearm can shoot many rounds in rapid succession without overheating. It also allows the shooter to grasp the barrel area to stabilize the weapon, without incurring serious burns, during rapid fire.


All rifles and shotguns have provisions on them for the shooter to grab the rifle in the barrel area without getting burned. It's called a 'foregrip'. Hot barrels affect accuracy and wear faster, so everybody takes some sort of precaution of barrels overheating. Barrel shrouds are not commonly used because they are make of steel pipe with a lot of holes drilled in them, and are as a result heavy.

A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, which serves no useful sporting purpose. The flash suppressor allows the shooter to remain concealed when shooting at night, an advantage in combat but unnecessary for hunting or sporting purposes. In addition, the flash suppressor is useful for providing stability during rapid fire, helping the shooter maintain control of the firearm.


Lies. A flash suppressor limits the amount of the flash that the shooter sees. From behind the gun. It does not, and can not, hide the flash from general view. However, it can be somewhat useful when night hunting or when defending yourself in a dark environment.

A flash supressor is different from a compensator, which is a device that directs some of the burning gunpower gasses upwards or rearwards (but not both at the same time) to help reduce recoil. In other words, burning gunpower gasses are being put right into your line of sight. Does that sound like it's suppressing the flash?

A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a silencer, which is useful to assassins but clearly has no purpose for sportsmen. Silencers are illegal so there is no legitimate purpose for making it possible to put a silencer on a weapon.


Silencers are not illegal, but you need a Class 3 Federal Firearms Licence to own and use them. Incidently, considering that a rifle shot is about 150 decibels, knocking 30 or 40 off with a silencer is not a bad idea. Hearing damage and all.

The effectiveness of silencers is overplayed in the movies. However, some companies make removable compensators and flash supressors that screw onto the end of the barrel. It's a minor point, though.

A barrel mount designed to accommodate a bayonet, which obviously serves no sporting purpose.


Criminals holding up liquor stores at bayonet point much? Are the Bloods doing drive-by bayonetings?
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
44. Here's what the Feinstein ban did:
Edited on Wed Jul-25-07 09:36 AM by benEzra
So fully automatic military weapons were NOT covered by this ban?

I really need to read up on this.

No, they weren't. Here's what the Feinstein ban did. This is a NON-automatic civilian carbine (my SAR-1) that looks, but does not function, like an AK-47.



Before 1994 and after 2004, this rifle would have come with muzzle threads and probably a brake, and there would have been a little protrusion on the bottom of the gas block that a collector could use to mount a bayonet. My rifle was made and imported in 2002, during the ban, so it lacks those features. Ironically, more civvie AK lookalikes were sold in the years 1994 and after than in all the previous three decades combined.

The Feinstein ban also restricted marketing of new civilian guns under any of 19 scary names (including "AK-47", though that could be construed as misleading advertising anyway), placed restrictions on adjustable stocks, and raised the price on replacement magazines for most pistols.

FWIW, I shoot competitively with this rifle, with a collimator sight on the siderail mount (not shown).

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. You have to have a special Federal license to own full-auto
firearms. Yes, individuals can legally own machine guns and other weapons that fire in full-auto mode.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #9
34. If you flipped to auto you are probably on wrong side of the equation anyway
There must also be a lot of them licenses being handed out lately too.

I live about one and half miles from a firing range and just about daily they will be going off with those things on auto like armageddon was going to hit tomorrow :hide:
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #34
46. "There must also be a lot of them licenses being handed out lately too. "
There must also be a lot of them licenses being handed out lately too.

I doubt it. A decent full-auto will run you about $15,000. Even an el cheapo MAC-10, basic Uzi, or AC556 will run you five grand or more, IIRC.

That's way out of my price range. I'd be OK with owning an M16 or an AK-47, and I have a squeaky clean record so I could easily obtain a Form 4, but there's no way I could afford to drop fifteen grand on a rifle. Not to mention the fact that at today's ammo prices, a NFA Title 2/Class III restricted AK-47 would burn ammo at the rate of $3.50 per second of trigger time, unless you shoot in non-automatic mode--and if you're going to shoot non-automatic, why the hell would you drop $15,000 on a rifle with automatic capability...

So, I'll stick with my non-automatic AK lookalike. Heck of a lot cheaper to own and shoot.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Reminds of boot camp in the military many years ago
Those drill Sergent's seemed a just little different when auto-fire was the agenda for the day.

In retrospect remembering what some of those guys were like, that thing of it being a little different was probably good thing :D
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #5
12. These aren't assault weapons. These are real military-issue assault rifles
and machines gun.

"Assault weapons" are civilian (non-automatic) weapons that have features that upset people like Feinstein and Biden. Things like pistol grips and bayonet-mounting lugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_assault_weapons_ban

Civilians in the US have always been allowed to own them. The 1934 National Firearms Act mandated a hefty transfer tax ($200 in 1934), a special permit, and registration on full-auto stuff. In 1986, the national registry was closed, so civilians could not buy any new full-auto guns anymore. The ones already in circulation continue to be bought and sold, however, and now commonly are worth four and five figures in the market. Or more... I saw a .30-caliber six-barreled Gatling gun that fires 6,000 rounds per minutes for sale a few years ago. Only a quarter-million dollars...

People get together a few times a year in a quarry or something and shoot them off.

For your enjoyment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. Of course it's legal. Anyone with a clean criminal record can do that.
And lots of people do.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. In most states
Several states have their own bans on private ownership.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. You are correct- that slipped my mind. Thanks! nm
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:50 PM
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7. I do not use this term lightly..
SICK FUCKS
:wtf:
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 12:54 PM
Response to Original message
8. Boo peace. Hurray violence!
:puke:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:05 PM
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10. Also in today's Manchester fishwrap
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Police%3a++Gun-waving+youth+put+children+in+peril&articleId=07fc9cc3-8d89-43b9-a05e-8167ae1ff163

"A group of children, one as young as 4, was endangered last night when a teenager pulled out a gun, pointed it at a pit bull and then waved it in the air, police said.

"The incident happened at 6:30 p.m. Monday in the rear alley of 362 Union St. where the children were playing."

And let's not forget the biggest news story of 2006:

http://www.unionleader.com/channel.aspx/News?channel=2af17ff4-f73b-4c44-9f51-092e828e1131

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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
14. Rich kids go to the fundraiser
Poor kids go to Iraq.

Just for the chance to shoot a full auto weapon.

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KevMorris Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 01:52 PM
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15. What's the big deal?
I mean Pro-gunners tend to be Republican. It's not against the law. What's the big deal. Truthfully, I'd love to spend an afternoon finding out what it's like to fire full auto weapons at a variety of targets. This is a good idea. In fact, it would be a great idea for a pro-gunner Democrat. Not only can he show he's against gun control, he'd draw a constituency not really the Dem type and have a chance to influence them.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. The political backstory
Over the last four or five years, Manchester has seen a sharp rise in gun-related violence. Last fall, a police officer was shot and killed while attempting to apprehend a suspect (ironically, the cop had saved this guys life a year before). Given recent events, it is amazing that Jerry Thibodeau would schedule something like this, though Jerry isn't known for his sharp political accumen.

This also has a "jump the shark" feel to it. It plays into the stereotype of Republicans as foam-at-the-mouth Rambo wannabes. Imagine if a Democratic committee scheduled a fundraiser at a H.O.R.D.E. festival.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 03:27 PM
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23. In that case, it does seem to be in poor taste.
That said, I'm sure it will bring folks in. As someone upstream said, if I had the cash and it was a Dem, I'd line up too. Sort of like winning the chance to push the lever at a demolition. Only, y'know, more about killing things.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #15
49. Join the Army.
www.goarmy.com
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Why?
I have a Constitutional right to own firearms, not to join the Army. Methinks you've got it backwards...
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. Maybe he just wants to shoot guns
rather than kill people. The one doesn't by necessity involve the other.

I'd love to shoot a machine gun at a target someday. Sounds like loads of fun.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 02:26 PM
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17. It barely beat out the alternative - not sure why
Boys and girls who reached their 16th birthday (age of consent) within a month of the fundraiser.

Not really, but honestly, if that was reported, I'd be hard pressed to doubt it. Everything these guys do makes my eyes roll, jaw drop, and think that this is the lowest they can go.

And yet, the next week...
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:16 PM
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25. Dear Republicans, I Know How You Can Shoot All The Machine Guns You Want
JOIN UP AND FIGHT THE GODDAMN WAR YOU'VE INFLICTED ON THE WORLD YOURSELF
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 11:53 PM
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35. A-fucking-men nt
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 08:48 AM
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42. Agreed!
Those gun-happy GOP morans should enlist and go over to Iraq where they can shoot to their hearts' desire.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:27 PM
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26. Ya'll be sure and stand in a circle, ok?
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:04 PM
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27. Nothing wrong with that...
at least it's not a $25.00 a plate dinner fund raiser at Olive Garden or Cracker barrel.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:08 PM
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28. ...otherwise known as "thinning the herd".
What the heck.

:rofl:
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 07:40 PM
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30. with or w/o beer? Inquiring minds wish to know.
Why am I glad that I live far, far away, like in California...

but will they be allowed to shoot on full auto? If so, they might have a few stiffs at the end of the day... awww, shucks...:evilgrin:

single shot is quite different than full auto, had personal experience of a pistol accidentally going auto on me...scared the crap out of everyone on the gun range... 'cause it wasn't suppose to do that...
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:25 PM
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31. Jerry Thibodeau? That boy's a long way from home up in New Hampshire
that's an event more likely to be found back home... Louisiana.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:37 PM
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32. Enlist for a trip to Iraq and then you'll get to fire all the machine guns you can handle, fuckers.
Of course, it probably isn't as much fun as when people are firing back at you. Anyone at this fundraiser is too rich to know anything about any adversity, so it'll be good for their character.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:55 AM
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38. Playing soldier is a lot more fun than being one
Repukes know this all too well.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:27 PM
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51. you ain't kidding there.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:25 AM
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54. That's why Dick (5 deferments) Cheney dodged the DRAFT
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:48 PM
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33. don't they all?
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 12:19 AM
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36. Here's hoping they make Cheney the guest of honor
and let him fire the first burst!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:05 AM
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43. Sounds like an excellent campaign commercial for the Dems
"Do you really want these people running things??"
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Speaker Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:13 AM
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55. Yeah
Sounds like an excellent campaign commercial for the Dems

Yeah, because having gun control keep us out of power for 12 years has brought about so many wonderful things; war, death, increased poverty.....
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Speaker Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:25 AM
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56. Keep in mind...
that 538 pissed off moderate gun owners in Florida gave us 8 years of Bush.

If Al Gore had STFU about gun control, he would not only have held those 538 votes in Florida, he would have won his home state of Tennessee.

If it weren't for the gun control whackjobs in the party, we would be in the second term of a Gore administration.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-25-07 09:46 AM
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45. A chickenhawk needs to do this to feel "manly"
Why don't they sign up at their local recruiting stations and try it for real?
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MiserableFailure Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:22 AM
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52. Are you saying that only chickenhawks like firing guns?
Just wondering
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:38 AM
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53. It's people like this who give the sane gun owners a bad image.
People like this just come across as borderline psychos,when the vast majority of gun owners are perfectly sane,responsible people.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:42 PM
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57. If this isn't a clue...
If this isn't a clue that the gun issue WILL be present and large in the coming election, particularly with Parker potentially headed to the USSC, what is?

Don't repeat mistakes of the past, please.
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