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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:15 AM
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Democratic senators want to investigate whether Gonzales lied
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 10:42 AM by onehandle
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/26/gonzales.testimony/index.html

Original Breaking News Banner at cnn.com:
Senate Democrats are calling for special counsel to investigate whether Attorney General Gonzales perjured himself.


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A group of Senate Democrats on Thursday will call for a special counsel to investigate whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales perjured himself during Capitol Hill testimony.

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The development came just before Democratic Sens. Charles Schumer, Russ Feingold, Sheldon Whitehouse and Dianne Feinstein were set to hold a news conference on Gonzales' testimony before the Judiciary Committee this week.

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Gonzales testified under oath Tuesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee that the March 10, 2004, meeting -- when Gonzales was White House counsel -- was not prompted by the Bush administration's program to monitor communications with terror suspects overseas without warrants.

But a 2006 memo about the terrorist surveillance program provided to Congress by former National Intelligence Director John Negroponte names the White House meeting that Gonzales described.

Read more: CNN
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:19 AM
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1. Well that can be arranged in about say 16 months?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:30 AM
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2. Dems call for Gonzales perjury probe
Source: ap




Dems call for Gonzales perjury probe

By LAURIE KELLMAN 9 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A group of Senate Democrats called Wednesday for a special counsel to investigate whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales perjured himself regarding the firings of U.S. attorneys and administration dissent over President Bush's domestic surveillance program.


"We ask that you immediately appoint an independent special counsel from outside the Department of Justice to determine whether Attorney General Gonzales may have misled Congress or perjured himself in testimony before Congress," four Democratic senators wrote in a letter Wednesday, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press.

"It has become apparent that the Attorney General has provided at a minimum half-truths and misleading statements" to the Judiciary Committee, they added.

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Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_go_co/congress_gonzales;_ylt=ApaxnXRnW7N.SPB_trYIaI2s0NUE
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:30 AM
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3. While I appreciate and applaud their efforts I have to chuckle
at the notion that a special prosecutor is needed TO DETERMINE WHETHER GONZO PERJURED HIMSELF.

Meanwhile at the white house, bush says he stands by gonzo's lies.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:30 AM
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4. Dems call for probe of Gonzales’ statements
Source: MSNBC/AP

Move follows discovery of documents that contradict AG’s testimony

WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats called for a special counsel Thursday to investigate whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales perjured himself regarding dissent over President Bush's domestic surveillance program.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19975387/
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:30 AM
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5. Democrats urge perjury probe of Gonzales
WASHINGTON - A group of Senate Democrats called Wednesday for a special counsel to investigate whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales perjured himself regarding the firings of U.S. attorneys and administration dissent over President Bush's domestic surveillance program.


"We ask that you immediately appoint an independent special counsel from outside the Department of Justice to determine whether Attorney General Gonzales may have misled Congress or perjured himself in testimony before Congress," four Democratic senators wrote in a letter Wednesday, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press.

"It has become apparent that the Attorney General has provided at a minimum half-truths and misleading statements" to the Judiciary Committee, they added.


more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_go_co/congress_gonzales_18
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:41 AM
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12. Harry Reid, D-Colo., said he supports the request.


Democrats urge perjury probe of Gonzales

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 4 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A group of Senate Democrats called Wednesday for a special counsel to investigate whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales perjured himself regarding the firings of U.S. attorneys and administration dissent over President Bush's domestic surveillance program.

"We ask that you immediately appoint an independent special counsel from outside the Department of Justice to determine whether Attorney General Gonzales may have misled Congress or perjured himself in testimony before Congress," four Democratic senators wrote in a letter Wednesday, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press.

"It has become apparent that the Attorney General has provided at a minimum half-truths and misleading statements" to the Judiciary Committee, they added.

"We do not make this request lightly." wrote Sens. Charles E. Schumer of New York, Dianne Feinstein of California, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island in a letter to Solicitor General Paul Clement.

A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Colo., said he supports the request.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:42 AM
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15. Snow defended Gonzales on Thursday but would not talk about the subject of the 2004 briefing.
White House press secretary Tony Snow defended Gonzales on Thursday but would not talk about the subject of the 2004 briefing.

"Unfortunately we get into areas that you cannot discuss openly," Snow said. "It's a very complex issue. But the attorney general was speaking consistently. The president supports him. I think at some point this is going to be something where members are going to have to go behind closed doors and have a fuller discussion of the issues. But I can't go any further than that."

Two former Republican chairmen joined Democrats in recent days in suggesting that the questions surrounding Gonzales be resolved by those outside the process.

Sen. Arlen Specter, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee and former chairman, on Tuesday told Gonzales during his appearance before the panel that a special prosecutor might be needed.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:30 AM
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6. What is there to INVESTIGATE?
Just watch the damned testimony.

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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:40 AM
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11. Dotting the i's and crossing the t's
Basically they need an independent prosecutor to investigate something that is a known quantity to prove it, get an indictment, and drag his ass to court.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:30 AM
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7. Out of curiosity...Who is it that they are asking this of....Bush?
Seriously, is that a letter to Bush? He'll just respond with a one word answer vetted by Rove: "NO!"
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:41 AM
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13. Solicitor General Paul Clement.
Clement would decide whether to appoint a special prosecutor because Gonzales and outgoing Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty have recused themselves from the investigation that involves them. The Justice Department's No. 3, Associate Attorney General William Mercer, is serving only in an acting capacity and therefore does not have the authority to do so.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_go_co/congress_gonzales
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:43 AM
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17. Thank you! n/t
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:44 AM
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18. PRESUMABLY, it is an Ashcroft loyalist,
in the vein of Comey, who places the law above party (novel idea, no?), who will have the duty of selecting a special prosecutor. Let's hope that it is not a wasted effort, since "impeachment is off the table" and we are getting fewer and fewer cards to play against these tyrants.

I am still shell-shocked that I am holding Ashcroft up as a symbol of ethical behavior. What has the world come to?

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:34 AM
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8. press conference going to begin in "just a few minutes" n/t
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 10:34 AM by orleans
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:41 AM
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14. it's on now
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:49 AM
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19. ...cut away for WH statement: Bush supports Gonzo all the way and then
"one of the worst sell-offs on the market that we've seen all year".
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:38 AM
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9. schumer, difi, feingold & whitehouse n/t
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:39 AM
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10. Senate Democrats are calling for special counsel to investigate....
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 10:38 AM by sabbat hunter
Source: cnn.com

breaking news. more as it becomes available.


Senate Democrats are calling for special counsel to investigate whether Attorney General Gonzales perjured himself

Read more: www.cnn.com



bout damn time. now hopefully we will see the wheels of justice move a bit quicker.

remember how long it took for watergate hearings, etc. and we didnt control congress until this past January. so give it time, let the case be known to all as it was with watergate. until we can force bush out, even if it is right before the 08 elections. it will cause him to bring the republican party down with him.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:43 AM
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16. REC
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:50 AM
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20. fucking cnn ends it after schumer talks. no one else is carrying it.
not even cspan 3

shit.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:59 AM
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21. Oh how I wish the so-called War Room the Reid set up would get
its shit together and pound away at the networks for not covering it! :grr: Do the same thing that the Cons do and BE a fucking squeaky wheel!!!!!
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gulfbreeze Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:59 AM
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22. Exactly!!!
What the hell!!! This is being replaced with something about a freeking cat. I'm searching everywhere to see what the rest of them said.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:03 AM
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23. How about investigating the possibility of a sunrise tomorrow ?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:33 AM
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26. lol n/t
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:09 AM
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24. Dur!
Even so, I like this. If this doesn't get delayed(a sure sign we're dead where we stand), * can either allow it(bad idea for him) or he can whip out a new executive power prohibiting naming an independent counsel, bringing more people on the impeachment bandwagon.

:popcorn:
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:10 AM
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25. "The President has commuted former Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales' prison term."
"I'm glad the President did it, there was no real crime here, just a witch hunt," said pundits across cable TV news and radio after Bush's FCC approved yet another mega-merger to form AOLTimeWarnerDisneyViacomClearChannel, Inc.

Can I see into the future? With great power comes great responsibility.
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angryxyouth Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:58 PM
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27. Gonzales steps down during recess, @#$# makes recess appointment.
This is my prediction. As another recess is upon congress, I can't help but wonder what these criminals will pull next.
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dragon82a Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:35 PM
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28. SUBPOENAS AND INHERNET CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS
Subpoenas
Congressional rules empower all its standing committees with the authority to compel witnesses to produce testimony and documents for subjects under its jurisdiction. Committee rules may provide for the full Committee to issue a subpoena, or permit subcommittees or the Chairman (acting alone or with the ranking member) to issue subpoenas.

As announced in Wilkinson v. United States, 365 U.S. 399 (1961), the Congressional committee must meet three requirements for its subpoenas to be "legally sufficient." First, the committee investigation of the broad subject area must be authorized by its Chamber; second, the investigation must pursue "a valid legislative purpose" but does not need to involve legislation and does not need to specify the ultimate intent of Congress; and third, the specific inquiries must be pertinent to the subject matter area which have been authorized for investigation.

The Court held in Eastland v. United States Servicemen's Fund, 421 U.S. 491 (1975) that Congressional subpoenas are within the scope of the Speech and Debate clause which provides "an absolute bar to judicial interference" with such compulsory process. Under that ruling, Courts generally do not hear motions to quash Congressional subpoenas; even when executive branch officials refuse to comply, the Courts tend to rule that such matters are "political questions" unsuitable for judicial remedy.


Procedures
Following the refusal of a witness to produce documents or to testify, the Committee is entitled to report a resolution of contempt to its parent chamber. A Committee may also cite a person for contempt but not immediately report the resolution to the floor. In the case of subcommittees, they report the resolution of contempt to the full Committee, which then has the option of rejecting it, accepting it but not reporting it to the floor, or accepting it and reporting it to the floor of the chamber for action. On the floor of the House or the Senate, the reported resolution is considered privileged and, if the resolution of contempt is passed, the chamber has several options to enforce its mandate.


Inherent contempt
Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited for contempt is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subject to punishment that the House may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment reasons, imprisonment for coercive effect, or release from the contempt citation.)

Concerned with the time-consuming nature of a contempt proceeding and the inability to extend punishment further than the session of the Congress concerned (under Supreme Court rulings), Congress created a statutory process in 1857. While Congress retains its "inherent contempt" authority and may exercise it at any time, this inherent contempt process was last used by the Senate in 1934, in a Senate investigation of airlines and the U.S. Postmaster. After a one-week trial on the Senate floor (presided by the Vice-President of the United States, acting as Senate President), a lawyer who had allowed clients to rip up subpoenaed documents, William P. MacCracken, a lawyer and former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Aeronautics, was found guilty and sentenced to 10 days imprisonment. <1>

MacCracken had filed a petition of Habeas Corpus in federal courts to overturn his arrest, but after litigation, the US Supreme Court ruled that Congress had acted constitutionally, and denied the petition in the case Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125 (1935). <2><3>

Presidential pardons appear not to apply to civil contempt procedures like the above, since it is not an "offense against the United States" or an offense against "the dignity of public authority." <4>


Statutory proceedings
Following a contempt citation, the presiding officer of the chamber is instructed to refer the matter to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia<5>; according to the law it is the "duty" of the U.S. Attorney to refer the matter to a grand jury for action.

The criminal offense of "contempt of Congress" sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $1,000. Those penalties are enforced upon conviction, even if the Congress which initiated the contempt citation has expired.

The statutory procedure has generally been used by Congress since 1935. While the law pronounces the duty of the U.S. Attorney is to impanel a grand jury for its action on the matter, some proponents of the controversial unitary executive theory believe that the Congress cannot properly compel the U.S. Attorney to take this action against the Executive Branch, as the U.S. Attorney is a member of the Executive Branch who ultimately reports to the President. To allow Congress to force the President to take action against a subordinate following his directives would be a a violation of the separation of powers and infringe on the power of the Executive branch. Others who believe in a more common interpretation of the US Constitution believe that, under Article II of the US Constitution, the principal duty of the President is to execute the law, and if the law specifies a duty on one of the President's subordinates, then the President must "take care" to see that the duty specified in the law is executed. To do otherwise would be not be faithfully executing the law, and thus be unlawful, unconstitutional, a violation of the separation of powers, and ultimately impeachable. The courts have been reluctant to decide this question, claiming it is a "political question" for resolution by the elected branches of government.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:45 PM
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29. What a strange headline. Why wouldn't Repukes want to investigate perjury?
You'd think if there was apparent perjury, EVERYONE would want to find out.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:14 PM
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30. who needs to investigate??!! were his lips moving??
then he was lying...case closed!!
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