Earthquake hits Bali

[54anickel]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/02/1072908890539.html

An earthquake with a magnitude of 6.1 rocked Indonesia's island of Bali and Lombok before dawn today, causing structural damage but there were no immediate reports of casualties, officials said.

The earthquake, jolted Bali and nearby island of Lombok, at about 4:59am (7.50am AEDT), sparked residents to run out their homes in panic.

[are_we_united_yet]

1. Man

a lot of earthquakes

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Damn the circle of fire is really going off

[54anickel]

7. Never heard of it before - thanks! Sure looks like that's it

http://www.crystalinks.com/rof.html

[peterh]

10. That's one way to put it.....

regardless....The plates are definitely active…

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/bulletin.html

[Minstrel Boy]

15. great map

thanks for the visual aid

[Sean Reynolds]

27. Yikes, my state (Utah) has seen 6 quakes since the 26th

[name not needed]

3. What a time to live in

New Jersey.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Two words

New Madrid

You are not off the hook, the New Madrid Earthquake changed the course
of the Mississippi and was felt all the way to New York City... another one of that intensity, believed to be at 8.3 woudl do devastating damage to the East Coast...

Good news it is OFF the Ring of Fire which seems to be having way too many hiccups (yes even Iran is on it), bad news, you are not off the hood in geologic time

[private_ryan]

5. you're not safe anywhere but statistically ...

n/t

[ConcernedCanuk]

12. Silly Canuk musing -

.
.
. . It it possible, even remotely possible that all that bombing (especially those "bunker busting" bombs) disturbed the tectonic plates that are located beneath Iran ?

. . Even FURTHER wandering thought

- is it possible that that USA INTENTIONALLY used some sort of experimental "device" in it's massive bombings to TRY to disturb an earthquake sensitive area ?

No apologies for my now endless suspicions of the USA Military's deviousness.

[54anickel]

14. I'm with you on that one.

I get picked on for the HAARP stuff. But it was last reported transmitting on the 10th, wasn't that when they were messing with testing the Aegis missle?

[ConcernedCanuk]

19. You probably are aware of this and more, but anyhoo

.
.
. . "As early as 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski predicted a "more controlled and directed society" would gradually appear, linked to technology. This society would be dominated by an elite group which impresses voters by allegedly superior scientific know-how. Angels Don't Play This HAARP further quotes Brzezinski:

"Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behaviour and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Technical and scientific momentum would then feed on the situation it exploits," Brzezinski predicted.

His forecasts proved accurate. Today, a number of new tools for the "elite" are emerging, and the temptation to use them increases steadily. The policies to permit the tools to be used are already in place. How could the United States be changed, bit by bit, into the predicted highly-controlled technosociety? Among the 'stepping stones' Brzezinski expected were persisting social crises and use of the mass media to gain the public's confidence.

Scary - just too friggen coincidental for me !!


Looks sort of ominous way out in the middle of nowhere? is this Alaska's counterpart to Area #51 ?

That's ALOT of hydro !

. (clik on top picture for link to info)

[54anickel]

22. Funny timing that they would NOW review this book released in May...

From a local AK paper

http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/123103/ins_123103ins004001.shtml

[ConcernedCanuk]

39. Hmmm - more on HAARP

.
.
. . Looking worse all the time ?

"Very few people showed up to the public comment meeting in Cleveland, Ohio on December 4th, prompting Rep. Dennis Kucinich and four other members of Congress to accuse the D.O.E. of failing to adequately notify the public, according to the Akron Beacon Journal

The first point Michael made was that the Task Force Interim Report failed to address the possibility of Electro Magnetic Pulses causing the blackout. He noted that it is known HAARP was turned on at 4pm on August 14th, just 11 minutes before the blackout occurred. He stated the Air Force should be contacted and required to turn over all documentation pertaining to what HAARP was used for on that day.

Michael detailed the aerial aerosol spray operation he witnessed the night of the blackout, as well as referencing the proximity of the Determined Promise '03 national military drills announced just one day after the blackout. He also mentioned he received a report that the Canadian border was militarized at 1pm on August 14th, just three hours before the blackout, in the Mohawk River Valley region. Why?



For the curious - lots more - HERE >>

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. George Orwell spoke of this in

1948 when he wrote 1984

Just a tad late... but Zbigniew was reading Orwell which has gone from
cautionary tale to prophetic tale

[Carni]

18. I have to share your query...

What the hell were they lighting off in Iraq anyway?

[54anickel]

20. Don't know about in Iraq. The Aegis testing was around Hawaii

I know I saw reports of the orginial test failing the first day, but can't readily find them now. Here's a report of the successful test.
Probably totally unrelated, that Ring of Fire acts up quite a bit every so many years. Could just be coincidence with the timing of all this "War" stuff going on.

http://www.dod.mil/releases/2003/nr20031211-0757.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Yes and Hawaii

is a hot spot, really off the ring of fire

It is just getting a tad hiccupy... though I heard a geologist
on KGO the other day offer a good theory, earth warming, is leading to melting of ice caps and higher pressure on the shelfs, that could be doing it... he did say that this activity was unusually high...so it is not our imagination

[54anickel]

28. "so it is not our imagination" - Thank You!!! Found an article on the

increases around the Ring of Fire back in 95. Don't know if it's been this active since then.

http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9510/ring_of_fire/

[Occulus]

32. Hawai'i has its own problems...

Isn't there a huge crack in the side of the Big Island? A crack that's getting bigger and bigger over time?

I think I saw pictures once. It's veeerrrry ominous. If that thing goes.... tsunami in Cali.

[haele]

41. AEGIS missile testing wouldn't cause an earthquake.

First of all, the missile tested was an SM type, which is "surface to air" and flown over water, not land (unlike some of the Tomahawks, a "surface to surface" type missile that have been tested here on the west coast).
Second, if the missile being tested didn't explode when hitting the target missile, it would have been sent a "self destruct" message by the on-board missile director by before it got out of the limits of the test range. That's SOP that I know of since 1980; even if the missile goes haywire or spectacularly mislaunches, the testers have always been able to self destruct the missile once it goes past the limits of the test scenario.

If an airplane or a flock of endangered migratory birds were mysteriously destroyed in the area where such a test was conducted, then one may have a possible basis for speculating that an AEGIS SM2/3 (etc) test shoot that was going on at the same time might have been involved.

I've participated in too many AEGIS missile tests (including ones that have failed and gone off in an unexpected direction, started inadvertently tracking "the wrong target" or splashed down as soon as they were launched) to automatically assume that "if it's a military test, it's linked to the disaster happening at the same time".

Haele

[54anickel]

43. Oh no, not saying the AEGIS had direct impact on anything at all, I'm in

tinfoil mode regarding HAARP. Would HAARP or ELF be used at all during the AEGIS testing?

All these earthquakes are just probably mom nature doing her thing, a bout of PMS or heartburn again such as in '95. But sometimes it is worth questioning if there is something else going on.

If you never question anything that is kept secretive, you'd have no need for tinfoil and things such as Shrubs selection would never be questioned or brought to light. :evilgrin:

[haele]

44. To answer your question in an unclassified manner...

No. (If I go into the classified manner, I'll have ta kill ya!) :hi:

The test at that time was for a conventional shipboard missile firing or fire control system, not countermeasures or jamming, or any other possible system that might use unconventional warfare. In any range area, during the firing test scenario, all other units in the area are in "EMCON" or "Emitter Control", so the missile won't mistake them for the target and home in on a false signal. Should a remote tracking site use something as high powered as the supposed HAARP or ELF technology in the area, even to surreptitiously track the exercises, it would cause enough havoc on the range as to literally waste the entire test. I know for a fact that in this budget, the Navy refuses wasting that much money (approximately $10 - $12 million total per test when you include all the components used) of it's normal operational budget just to satisfy some spook's experiment; especially since this particular round of testing that has been mentioned was funded through regular R & D channels.

In itself - for those who are interested, AEGIS is an coordinated air search/air defense radar system - any testing that is categorized as "AEGIS" testing will have to do with controlling or tracking solid items flying in the sky. Not with the science fictionish testing of super-duper secret "high powered lasers that can slice through metal, high orbit satellite killers, or other UHF frequency beam emitters that supposedly fry electronics and/or destroy cities a hundred miles away".
The other issue is that the AEGIS cruiser or destroyer is not nuclear powered, so it can't even possibly create enough power to sustain such systems onboard.
As a side, I could possibly see an AEGIS ship participating in a top secret HAARP or ELF testing - should the researchers into these systems require testing their experimental systems against that class ship - but not in the type of testing that was brought up in this thread.

If anyone is really interested in the unclassified (or minimally classified) AEGIS information and updates, check on the NAVSEA or NWSC PHD web sites, or better yet, in Janes.

I'd trust what Janes has to say about any weapons systems or weapons research, they've been pretty up to date and have accurate evaluations of almost everything - even "top secret" research - that's been going on over the years.

It's not that I'm discounting all of the tinfoil over HAARP, ELF, and other such "projects" - I'm just reminding people that there's a big difference between all the Area 51 type speculation that's been going around over the past couple decades and reality. The amount of "discretionary" military research funding that's been "lost" over the past 20 years does not add up to even half the equivalent spending necessary for all the speculative super-Sci-Fi/X-Files-type projects that have been rumored to be going on over the same amount of time, even if "they" are recycling test beds and components.

Haele

[54anickel]

45. Whew! Thanks, I was beginning to run low on the tin-foil around here.

I will check out the Janes site next time I start reaching for the Reynolds wrap.

Thanks again :hi:

[Ediacara]

34. NO

Bunker Busters (nor any other type of conventional weaponry) haven't the energy required to cause earthquakes.

Additionally, there are no weapons capible of causing earthquakes, and the study of such weapons is strictly prohibited by international law (although that never stopped Bush...). Bam is in eastern Iran, VERY far from the Iraqi border, and it is extremely unlikely that any bombing in Iraq would cause an earthquake literally hundreds of kilometres away.

[Fovea]

30. I keep expecting it.

If it unloads an 8 again, I figure West Memphis is toast.
Nor would I suspect things to be very groovy in Little Rock, Cape G., or Cairo Il...Poplar Bluff would be shook down, in fact, I think Rolla and even St. Louis would feel it pretty hard. But that is some strange geology in them parts. Lots of Karst, so who knows what will fall down in that big of a shake?

I wonder from time to time that maybe it is not so much a failed rift fault, as a locked one...

[Ediacara]

33. Iran's actually NOT on the Ring of Fire

The Ring of Fire, refers to volcanoes and earthquake zones around the Pacific Ocean. Europe, Turkey, Iran, and India have their own earthquake hell, but it's not in the Ring of Fire, and their earthquakes are caused by something completely different (granitic plate collisions, rather than oceanic subduction.

[Beaker]

37. "Two More words"

Yellowstone Supervolcano.

http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm

game over.

[happyslug]

42. 1811 New Madrid

Rang bells in Boston, but well New Madrid was a LARGE Quake (and even had the Mississippi flow backwards for a time period) its main affect was in the area where the Missouri, Ohio and Upper Mississippi merge to form the Lower Mississippi. Once you are away from that area than the affect drops rapidly, to the effect it might only fell like a huge truck just drop by in Chicago let alone the East Coast.

The big Question is when will New Madrid go. The debate is it a once every 200 or 300 year quake? If it is 200, it is do, if it is 300 than we have a while to wait.

Also not tied in with the “Ring of Fire”, for New Madrid is a mid-tectonic-plate fault NOT a fault at the edge of two tectonic plates (as are the faults that form the “Ring of Fire”).

But it has been a busy year around the “Ring of Fire”, by the way, anyone heard of the advocate who said that there was a connection between the Full Moon and Earthquakes?

[kalian]

6. WTF

:wtf:

Earthquakes all over the place rather suddenly...

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. May be nature's way of tryijng to tell us somehing

[hippiechick]

21. Time for a paradigm shift ...

... Gaia's reminding us that it's time to readjust reality.


:hippie:

[pfitz59]

8. Bali is BIG Volcano!

Volcano on an island in a lake inside a Volcano! Coolest thing I ever saw! PS - There was a town on the lake inside the volcano!

[psychopomp]

31. And a good restaurant right up the road

with a nice view of the lake. Buffet-style Indonesian food, IIRC.

Needs to be done on a motorbike.

What a fantastic place!

[Minstrel Boy]

11. the thing that worries me most of all about this rash of quakes

is that it could reinforce the fundamentalist mania that seems to fire at least a compartment of Bush's personality. (Personalities?) Earthquakes are said to be one of the signs of the End Times. Bush believes he was selected by God for these days. And to minds like his, the apocalypse is a thing to be hastened.

[Lisa]

17. good point ...

W standing naked on the Truman Balcony screaming that he's about to be "raptured" is just about the last thing we need right now! (Particularly if CNN carries it live.)

...shades of Martin Sheen's deranged character in "The Dead Zone" crying "Hallelujah!" as the missiles are launched ...

I don't think our friends to the south (or anyone else for that matter) are capable of smiting disobedient countries with earthquakes and storms, but if enough people believe they can, it's apt to make folks jittery ... and given their ample daisycutters and ICBMs, that's quite enough potential for havoc right there.

[theHandpuppet]

29. Yep, they're packing their bags now, I'll bet....

Now hear this... Now hear this...
We interrupt our weekly DU class in Creationist Big Bang Theory 101 to steer everyone to this uniquely creepy site: http://www.hsus.org/ace/20054
"Christian Geology Ministry: Geology and End Times Prophecy"

My goodness...! According to these folks God is most definitely NOT a very nice being at all. No doubt the whacked-out authors are at this very moment preparing for the rapture!

[54anickel]

40. Tell them their beloved Bush IS the anti-christ. Of course if he keeps

going against them saying Islam is a peacful religion they may draw that conclusion on their own. :evilgrin:

[54anickel]

13. Hmm, there was one on the 28th and the 3rd on different islands as well

http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2003%20News%20archives/December/28n/Earthquake%20shakes%20Indonesia's%20Sulawesi%20island.htm

Earthquake shakes Indonesia’s Sulawesi island

Khaleej Times, 28 December 2003

JAKARTA - A large undersea earthquake measuring 6.3 on the Richter scale shook parts of Indonesia’s Sulawesi island on Sunday, but there were no immediate reports of casualties or damage, the Meteorology and Geophysics Agency said.

The temblor was centered under the Sulawesi Sea, 136 kilometers (85 miles) northwest of Kotamobagu town on north Sulawesi island, said agency official Muhammad Yusuf.

The tremor caused residents in several places in Sulawesi to flee their homes in panic, but there were no reports of damage or tidal waves, Yusuf said.

http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=132&fArticleId=300096

Jakarta trembles

Jakarta - An earthquake has shaken parts of Indonesia's capital, according to the Meteorology and Geophysics Agency. There were no immediate reports of casualties or damage. Yesterday's magnitude 5,2 tremor was centred 42km under the Java Sea, about 145km south of Jakarta. Indonesia is prone to earthquakes and is on the so-called Pacific "Ring of Fire".

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. hmm if activity continues like this

may presage the volcano going off...

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. The California quake last week

was probably very deep and strong. That's why it was felt in such a large area but didn't cause a lot of damage. My guess is that the energy released from that quake is causing the shift and adjustments around the rest of the plate.

[Ediacara]

35. uh... IIRC the Quake in California was only 8 km deep

VERY shallow.

[DoYouEverWonder]

38. I better brush up on my earthquake factoids

Due to the size and nature of the quake, I wrongly assumed that it was deep rather than shallow. That will teach me to make assumptions.

However, my real point was that I do think this was the beginning and part of a major adjustment of the Pacific plate. Sort of like getting a vertebrate in your neck aligned, then everything else starts to crack and realign as a result.

[hippiechick]

24. Well, the Pope did call for a 'new International Order'

in his New Year's sermon .... guess a good ole' shake-n-bake is one way for Goddess to make it happen ...


:hippie:

[radfringe]

36. Earthquake Strikes Mexico, Minor Damage Reported

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=810597&tw=wn_wire_story

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - A strong earthquake off the Mexican Pacific coast near Acapulco sent scared residents as far away as Mexico City fleeing from their homes and offices on Thursday but there was no immediate report of casualties or serious damage.

The 6.3-magnitude quake, hit at 5:32 p.m. (6:32 p.m. EST), the National Seismological Service said. The epicenter was some 100 km (62 miles) off the coast of the fishing village of Zihuatanejo, about 160 km (100 miles) from Acapulco in the Pacific Coast state of Guerrero and some 400 km (250 miles) from Mexico City.

Two smaller, aftershock quakes were felt about 30 minutes later and then an hour later.

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