Bush warns of Democrats tax rise plot

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Source: MSNBC

President George W. Bush on Wednesday accused Democrats of plotting the biggest tax increase in American history, endangering the solid economic growth achieved by the US over the past four years.
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Mr Bush pointed to robust growth in jobs, wages and gross domestic product since 2003 as evidence that his administration's tax-cutting agenda was working.

"I will use the veto to keep your taxes low and keep federal spending under control," he said, referring to Democratic plans to add $22bn to the 2008 budget.

Congress will have less than a month to pass budget legislation before the end of the fiscal year when lawmakers return from their summer recess in September. If the deadline is missed, the federal government would face a funding crisis.
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Mr Bush is attempting to use the budget debate to salvage the Republican party's tarnished reputation for fiscal responsibility after several years of expansion in federal spending since he took office.
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Mr Bush said the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 had resulted in a surge in tax revenues by promoting entrepreneurship and job creation. "Since 2003, our economy has added more than 8.3m jobs in almost four years of uninterrupted growth," he added.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20184026/

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Yes, when you slow the economy to nothing, everything is an "improvement" from that point on.

Ooohh, yes, we're secretly plotting.

For chrissakes, we haven't been the ones racking up the national credit cards. SOMEBODY has to see that the bill gets paid.

And the sad part is that people will read the article and believe it. :eyes:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. So he'll veto expenditures for things like... um...

bridges.

But plenty of money for the war will somehow be found.

[Amonester]

16. Yes. Money for the war will be found...

...at the printer's tray! Screw all those inconvenient IOU's:

"The Outstanding Public Debt as of 09 Aug 2007 at 04:17:39 AM GMT is:
$ 8, 948, 869, 377, 416.27

The estimated population of the United States is 302,655,579
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,567.83

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.41 billion per day since September 29, 2006"

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Get ready for the big woo-woo (crash)

[LibinMo]

2. That's just pathetic

And so is anyone who swallows that line of BS.

[C_U_L8R]

3. Shifting the blame

just like the spoiled brat he is... it's always someone else's fault.

No George... it's your mess.

[aquart]

4. I think the people are pretty much begging for it.

Amazing how George's buzz words are just so many buzzing insects these days. Pass the flyswatter.

[zabet]

5. "We are spending it over there,

so we won't have to spend here."
I am sick of the chimp constantly saying the Dems are doing this, the Dems
are doing that. Did he bash the repigs when they were so fiscally irresponsible?
WTF is going to happen when China calls in the 'note'? Chimpy is probably
going to be kicking it in Paraguay when that happens.

[scarface2004]

6. the dems should respond 'we are going to raise taxes..

until your knees buckle, and then we're going to kick you in the teeth!!

[provis99]

7. why is anyone even listening to Bush anymore?

You know that Bush is desperate for attention when he turns up on Neil Cavuto's, err, show.

[PSPS]

8. Why not, "Democrats warn of Bush tax cut plot"?

[Bitwit1234]

9. I guess the republicans, in their plan to keep the country,

under suppression, are going to swift boat the whole democratic party AND the American people. But then since when did bush do anything but TELL LIES. I can't remember. Can anybody else.

[ShockediSay]

10. You mean the Country Clubbers might have to pay some dues?!?!?

and "greens fees"

[gratuitous]

11. Glad you gave him what he wanted?

Ooh, Bush wanted that warrantless domestic spying authority so bad he could taste it. And now that you're all out of town, the first thing he does is play politics as usual. Splendid work there, congressional Democrats. Is the picture getting any clearer for you?

[kurth]

12. The free ride for the rich is over

and that's how Dems should frame the debate.

[ninkasi]

13. I will gladly pay more taxes

in order to help my fellow citizens who need help. Take away the tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, and corporate welfare, and none of most of us would feel the bite, anyway. It's obscene to pay taxes to subsidize profitable companies, while slashing taxes to help the poor survive. Screw him, anyway. Well, not THAT, at least, not me, but you know what I mean.

If people want welfare reform, then stop shoveling so many billions in welfare to corporate interests, and start helping the less fortunate have medical care, job training, and everything else they need to survive in this day of give-everything-to-the-big-corporations, so that CEOs can make hundreds of times more than the rest of us

When ordinary people make more money, and have jobs, that money is reinvested in our economy, instead of being hoarding to create more wealth for the rich. Our financial system is cruel, and hurts too many people.

[bluestateguy]

14. The tax cuts will expire in 2010

And that's his and his party's own fucking fault. They had the Congress when they passed the taxcuts in 2001 and 2003. Why didn't they just make them permanent then?

In any event, the Congress can just stand by and let the taxcuts expire in 2010, and not actually vote to "raise" any taxes at all. It's a political freebie.

[Adsos Letter]

15. Yeah, we'll raise taxes...

...primarily upon the rich who have benefitted most from the bush "economic strategy"...all good things must come to an end :sarcasm:

[many a good man]

17. Tax cuts: nothing better to put a smile on a Republican's face

His approval rating is bound to creep upwards by merely breathing words.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

18. Not everybody's taxes are going to be raised, Dumbyass

Just yours.

[Demobrat]

19. Same old shit!

Democrats will raise your taxes! And give it to welfare queens to buy cadillacs! It's a winning strategy, it's worked before and it will work again. People can't see the money being spent in Iraq, or the billions of dollars "missing" from the pentagon, so it doesnt seem real. What's real is what's in their paychecks, and all it takes is the threat of having what little there is in there reduced even more, and they'll vote for people who will turn around and send their jobs overseas and their children to die for Halliburton's stock price, no problem. Unless of course the Dems decide to call them on it, but it hasn't happened since Reagan so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Hulk]

20. Bring back the tax rates of Kennedy and Eisenhower.

The money grabbing 1% have had their day in the cookie jar. Now we have to pay off this fiasco of the chimps, as well as undo all the mess NAFTA and the WTO have wreaked on this nation. Damn right!! Bring back the taxes. China owns us. Let them cash in and take the red states right off...and we'll start all over.

[Faux pas]

21. Raising taxes a plot?

plot=iraq war
plot=illegal spying
plot=no bid contracts
plot=making himself a separate entity with executive privilege
plot=stolen elections
plot-torture....

I could go on but you get the picture.

[Hobbs]

22. The Lunatic needs to be

locked up permanently.

[19jet54]

23. Bait & Switch!

The issue is Iraq!

[flaminbats]

27. lol..what do they really stand for?

at least real conservatives who supported taxcuts, like Bob Taft, also called for limits on our military involvement around the world. Republicans like Eisenhower weren't isolationists, yet they didn't buy into Reaganomics!

Bush condemns Democrats for supporting tax increases, when will Democrats condemn Bush for pulling the rug out from under our troops? did Bush think this war in Iraq and the new Department of Homeland Security would pay for themselves?

war isn't unpopular solely because of casualties..someone has to pay for it! do Republicans hope to win this war? what will they sacrifice to achieve that?

[19jet54]

69. Money has same value as Blood?

I don't think so!

The basic difference between GOP & Democrats!

GOP = Money has more value than American blood
Dem = People have more value than money

[ClintonTyree]

24. ....."robust growth in jobs, wages and gross domestic product"....

what color is the sky in that fuckwit's world, anyway? :wtf: He actually believes his own lies and THAT is a true sign of a dangerous, mentally ill man.

[Megahurtz]

67. Yeah, "robust growth in jobs"

where? In fucking India? :shrug:

:wtf:

[NuttyFluffers]

25. "Mwa ha ha ha! And I'll get your little dog, too!" -- Reid

it's true, the scarecrow, and everyone else without a brain, should be in fear...
:freak:

[truthisfreedom]

26. Who gives a shit what bush says?

Who ever has?

[pepperbear]

28. Bush May Try to Cut Corporate Tax Rates

Source: Washington Post

President Bush said yesterday that he is considering a fresh plan to cut tax rates for U.S. corporations to make them more competitive around the world, an initiative that could further inflame a battle with the Democratic Congress over spending and taxes and help define the remainder of his tenure.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080802468.html?hpid=topnews

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Any chance this is a typo?

[PDJane]

29. No.

The man's an idiot, and an adherent of an economic philosophy that doesn't work.

[Mind_your_head]

30. ....and as Rome burned, *resident 'Nero' poured more fuel on the fire....

But, FEAR NOT, my fellow citizens of Rome....the "battle with the Democratic Congress" will surely SURELY end in the congress' complete compitulation to these corporate tax cuts.

[redqueen]

61. The phrase "democratic congress" is like pouring salt on a wound...

ever since this past weekend.

*sigh*

[Mind_your_head]

71. yes, I know....

We, the citizens of the United States, have disappointed ole' Ben Franklin (and all of the people who have died, suffered, sacrified)for the principles outlined within the Constitution ....b/c he knew KNEW how difficult it would be to keep the republic - a well-educated citizenry would help, for instance.

(However, upon research, I think it was 'given away' quite a long time ago). Now 'the others' are coming in for 'the kill'. And, frankly, there's nothing to stop it.

[Lorien]

31. He must be f*cking kidding

U.S. Corporations ALREADY squirm out of most of their responsibilities when it comes to paying taxes. Some pay nothing at all as it is, and the rest of us are left to pick up the tab. The biggest tab comes from their illegal wars which only benefit...U.S. Corporations. :grr:

[Hobbs]

32. The Lunatic

is master mining another disaster.

[19jet54]

33. Lame Duck trying to control the agenda?

Ignore the clown, he is just trying to change the subject off Iraq by pushing our buttons - Screw him & the horse he rode in on!

[jgraz]

34. Wow, he can expect some harsh words from Congressional Dems

Right before they pass his bill.

[radfringe]

39. yep, it's not like there's anyone in Congress that will stop him

http://www.comicssherpa.com/site/feature?uc_comic=cscwc

[Kolesar]

46. What is with you DUers attacking the Democratic leaders on this thread? I read the WaPo article...

...it has nothing to do with the allegations that some of you are making.

[rodeodance]

35. ...blamed Congress for not doing more to shore up infrastructure such as the bridge that collapsed

In a 48-minute conversation on an array of economic issues, Bush also warned China not to start a trade war, blamed Congress for not doing more to shore up infrastructure such as the bridge that collapsed in Minneapolis last week, and pushed back against Democratic presidential candidates who are promising to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement.

[rodeodance]

36. ....he accused Democrats of plotting the largest tax increase in history to fund an

Appearing before cameras at the Treasury Department alongside his economic team, the president vowed to veto spending bills that exceed his targets, and he accused Democrats of plotting the largest tax increase in history to fund an additional $205 billion in discretionary spending over five years.

"Put another way, it's about $1,300 in higher spending every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year for the next five years," he said. "Now, somebody is going to have to pay for it. And that, of course, will be the hardworking American people. . . . I will use the veto to keep your taxes low and to keep federal spending under control."

Democrats quickly returned fire, noting that Bush inherited a surplus that turned into a deficit and that he never vetoed a spending bill during the six years that Republicans controlled Capitol Hill, even as the budget grew by 50 percent.

[ClintonTyree]

38. And how much is his illegal, ill-advised and ill-fated......

war in Iraq costing the U.S. taxpayer? Over $250 million A MONTH? :wtf: Well over a Trillion dollars by the time it's over, IF it's ever over. :grr: And he's concerned about $250 Billion over 5 years? :banghead: And just how much does the interest on the national debt cost the American taxpayer "in higher spending every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year for the next five years"? :mad:

Yeah, let's give up those things we REALLY need in THIS country so Bush can continue his Imperial clusterfuck in Iraq and the continuation of corporate welfare that benefits NO ONE but the corporation itself.

This country cannot stand 530 more days of the Bush imperial presidency. :grr:

[David__77]

37. If the Democrats do this, there'd better be some serious concessions in other areas.

That's all I'm saying. They better be getting more in return.

[Indenturedebtor]

40. Evil

Pure, unadulterated, EVIL :evilfrown:

[clixtox]

41. Free shoe shines and hair care services...

for all of our hard working representatives maybe? Free dry-cleaning? Our Demo reps don't come cheap, they might also have to throw in some free tickets or something...

[David__77]

42. I understand the cynicism.

It's well-deserved. I, of course, do not think corporate taxes should be lowered - they should in fact be raised. But all I'm saying is that if there is a concession, if better not be cheap.

[aquart]

44. They better not do this. Period.

[aquart]

43. He won't be happy until we're completely destroyed.

Want to make them competitive? Single payer universal government healthcare.

[billyoc]

45. Break up a few monopolies, that ought to make them more competitive. n/t

[Norrin Radd]

48. Good point.

[Rose Siding]

47. Universal health care would help them more than tax cuts.

But that might benefit EVERYONE and we can't have that now, can we?

At last! A "collateral damage" bush finds unacceptable: health care.

[Odin2005]

49. Fat chance, Bushie. Ain't gonna happen.

[Frances]

50. My hometown newspaper, a weekly, prints a column

by Bonner, the Republican representative, every week. Last week Bonner accused the Democrats of raising taxes on corporations like the German steel company that is relocating to southern Alabama. Bonner also pointed out that two foreign auto companies have moved to Alabama in recent years. The state's tax structure already favors the rich, but I'm sure tht the state promised the sky to the companies. Now Representative Bonner wants the federal government to do the same. Unfortunately, the people in Alabama are so eager for decent jobs that they will probably agree with the REpublican representative.

[UpInArms]

54. deleted by poster -

posted in the wrong place - sorry

:blush:

:hi:

[Sapere aude]

59. Repukes always offer the masses security in exchange for their souls.

And the masses gladly sell their souls only the security never comes or doesn't last. The sale is final.

[guitar man]

51. WTF is left to cut??

:shrug:

[underpants]

58. That is the question

but let's not just skip over the part about how these champions of capitalism need the governments help. They actually drive around in Cadillacs too...new ones.

[guitar man]

60. Cadillacs, hell

they are driving better than that. Across from where I work, there is a firm that does bookwork for the state. I guess it's one of those things that's been "privatized" in recent years. Looking at the parking lot, the newest car I see any of the employees driving is about a '96. The owner, he drives a new Ford GT-40, I think those run somewhere around $300k if memory serves.

So, they have moved the jobs from the public to the "private" sector under the stewardship of a robber baron. Way to go!!....:grr:

[sakabatou]

52. He steals from the poor

And gives to the rich, what a bitch. That is dumb, dumb-dumb-dumb, dumb-dumb-dumb.

[roamer65]

53. Man...this moron makes Herbert Hoover look like a brain surgeon.

Definitely the worst ever to occupy the WH.

[UpInArms]

55. The Constitution gives Congress the power to write tax code - not Executive

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

here's the Constitution on Presidential Powers:

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

nope- nowhere in there does he have the power to write tax code :shrug:

[Mind_your_head]

72. MOST EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!

(forgive me for yelling :blush:)

[FreeStateDemocrat]

56. This will be tough for corporate whore Dems to support without some very creative political theater.

[Donkeykick]

57. Great!

:sarcasm: This is all I need. The place where I work has been making more product, but we (the employees) have as yet to see any cost-of-living-raises.
Let's all hear it for Reagan's trickle down economics, right?:eyes:

[Exiled in America]

62. 61% of US-based corporations pay ZERO in taxes.

[Deja Q]

68. With a war, cutting taxes is not a good thing to do.

Especially as they've been cut a few times already and the proof that nobody is benefiting hasn't helped.

Besides, I thought American workers were the reason why America has lost its competitiveness?

[skip fox]

63. The Iraqi war has burdened us with a $20,000 debt apiece (if you add

all the costs including lost wages, continuing medical care and benefits for service people, etc., to the actual costs of waging the war).

(And this is prior to the consideration of lives lost and damaged.


That data ($20,000 per individual citizen) came from a video on DU about projected hidden costs of the war prior to invasion. I think Steve Levitt made these points and was laughed at by the administration and right wing commentators. Now he has been proven, sadly, right.

This is a massive TAX HIKE. Though it will never be called such, that is what it will be.

[Gen. Jack D. Ripper]

64. Wha?

"I will use the veto to keep your taxes low and keep federal spending under control." Beyond pathological.

GW, your federal spending pie chart is broken down into only two sections. "War and shit," the largest, and "Everything else." God, it just makes me wanna blow my brains out!

[Megahurtz]

65. Awww...those poor, poor Rich People will have to pay taxes now.

:cry::nopity::cry:

Just what are they gonna do :dilemma: OMG!!!

:sarcasm:

[bamacrat]

66. WHO is he warning?

His cuts mainly helped the rich so....oh never mind.

[Mnemosyne]

70. * is a CT, and after he specifically warned us not to listen to

any 'wild conspiracy theories' right after Sept 11th.

[skids]

73. Four word answer: "Pawlenty vetoed. Bridge collapsed." n/t

[Vinca]

74. They really believe their "tax and spend" mantra is going to work,

don't they? Even after George has run up the country's Chinese credit card to horrifying levels and sunk us into massive debt for a generation or more to come (all the while getting us into Iraq, driving us into poverty and allowing bridges to fall down around us). Give me a freaking break.

[Triana]

75. Rescinding Tax Cuts for the Richest 1% is NOT "raising taxes"...

...it's putting them back where they WERE before bu$hit cut them for his friends off the backs off the rest of us. Repubes pull this crap EVERY election season - PARTICULARLY after THEY have run up the national debt to record levels and there is NO other way to pay for it than to "raise taxes" ie: in today's case RESCIND the damned tax cuts he gave to the rich and start making the damned corprats pay their fair share - corprat WELFARE is out of control and needs to be stopped - THAT is not "raising taxes" - it's making the rich and corprats pay their FAIR SHARE instead of making the rest of us pay it for them.

Poor whining LYING babies.

It happens EVERY election season. I've watched them whine about this crap for 40 YEARS. They run up the national debt to record levels. They give tax breaks to the rich and make it easier for corprats to get away without paying their taxes. Then they WHIIIIIIINE that "Democrats are going to raise your taxes!" come election time.


EVEN IF taxes are raised (and they don't need to be but the rich and corprats need to pay their fair share and those tax cuts and evasion practices need to be STOPPED) - it has to be done to pay off THEIR BILLS AND FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING.


GROSS HYPOCRISY IS THE HALLMARK OF REPUBLICANS (and spousal abusers, not surprisingly):

Repubes ALWAYS accuse Democrats of doing what REPUBES are doing themselves, in spades. They PROJECT their behavioral and fiscally irresponsible spending issues onto Democrats and BLAME Democrats for them. The DEMOCRATS didn't make the current national debt. The DEMOCRATS didn't give tax cuts to the richest 1%. The DEMOCRATS are not primarily the party that supports corprat tax evasion. REPUBLICANS are.


Same ol. Same ol....


And pea-brained ditto-heads BUY into this crap. UNbelieveable. Pfft!

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76. Beware the "plotting" Democrats

they'll undermine the country!

Sheesh.

I'm still appalled at how many people still fall for this shit.

I have to hand it to the Republicans. They do get points for understanding and manipulating the voter's minds. There was a book released on this recently - I can't think of the name of it, but it basically said that we tend to vote our feelings ("do we like that guy?") and not the issues, and dems screw up because we push the issues thinking our voters analyze everything, when in reality most people just vote their comfort level. The Republicans have figured this out and always construct their messages around it, and that's why they win when for all rights they should be losing.