CBS Poll: Edwards Trailing Clinton, Obama

[Omaha Steve]

Source: CBS

Former Senator Continues To "Show" Amidst Three-Horse Race For Democratic Nomination

(CBS) John Edwards continues to trail Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in a three-way national race for the Democratic nomination, according to the results of the latest CBS News poll.

Even though most Democratic primary voters think Edwards has the right kind of experience to be president, fewer than half are confident in the former senator's ability to handle an international crisis.

And despite his prominent campaigning on issues such as poverty and health care, 3 in 10 think his policies would favor rich people and not other income groups.

Among Democratic primary voters asked their preference to be the party's nominee among the three front-runners, Edwards received 14 percent versus 45 percent for Clinton and 25 percent for Obama. These standings have not changed much over the summer.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/17/opinion/polls/main3178773.shtml

[Mythsaje]

1. 3 out of 10 are fucking morons...

At least he's addressing the issues! Hillary isn't, and won't. Obama kinda gets it, but...

Sheesh. No wonder he's not getting any momentum. 30% of us are idiots.

[MGKrebs]

2. If this was about issues, the speechwriters would be running, and voter turnout

would be about 8%.
This is about trust.

[Mythsaje]

6. It SHOULD be about issues...

Everything else is just nonsense.

[Mojambo]

4. Apparently we'll have to run a homeless hobo in 2012 to get something done about poverty.

It's so frustrating.

There really is something wrong with this country.

[Mythsaje]

5. It absolutely baffles me...

I'm afraid you're right.

[tom_paine]

17. Not baffling at all, Mythsaje. The theories of Bushevik Propaganda are well-researched

and often exposed.

The true brilliance comes ultimately, and I am deeply sorry to say, Democratic complicity in recognizing and CONFRONTING this, before dangerous propaganda-developed mis-associsations an false perceptions set in stone.

But the didn't. All through the 80s as it rose, and in the 90s when it accelerated in growth unchecked and unopposed, started to become clearer what it was, the Democratic Party slept.
Now the memes and "propaganda pathways" are well-burrowed trenches lined with hardest limestone. All the Busheis have to do is release their propaganda "fluid" down the sluice and it will follow the same well-worn path it has travelled a thouand times before.

It is powerful, it is visceral, and it works, like all good advertising, beneath the conscious mind entirely. Hell, I have felt it's powerful tug EVEN WHEN I KNEW WHAT IT WAS AND WAS CONSCIOUSLY DEFENDING AGAINST IT.

It also comes with having a Totalitarin Sub-Media structure to compete with and control the dwindling, atrophying apparatus of the "Free" Press (MSM). That, and the fact that the Imperial Subjects of Amerika will still take much longer (probablty too long) to realize that they live in a bubble of unreality woven more intricately and subtly and brilliantly than anything Hitler or Stalin could have dreamed of in their psychologically-primitive time.

But, in the end, it could NEVER have been nearly as successful as it has been without and open and unopposed playing field for DECADES.

It's not baffling, Mythsaje. It is what happens when authoritarian propaganda and action are openly, shamelessly performed without being opposed.

[maximusveritas]

8. Or maybe just someone who has practiced what they preach

I keep on hearing Edwards supporters push this distortion that Edwards is just being discounted on the poverty issue because he's rich. That's not what it's about. The problem for Edwards is that people don't trust him. If he really cared about poverty, he wouldn't be spending that much on haircuts, he wouldn't be working for hedge funds, he wouldn't have voted for the bankruptcy bill. It's great that he's saying the right things on poverty now, but if people don't trust that he really means what he says, they won't vote for him.

[Homer Wells]

11. Fact of Life Folks!!!!

A poor man has no chance of even being considered Presidential material.

The fact that Edwards is wealthy is a given, and not necessarily a detriment in this REAL world.

The fact that John "gets it" is much more important than what he spends for a damn haircut.

He is sharp, politically savvy and has the testicular fortitude to stand up to this many-headed Hydra that is the Reptilican party as we know it today.

He is definitely the man for the job, IMHO!!

[Tanketra]

21. Sure ...

The fact that John "gets it" WOULD be more important than a "damn" haircut.

If it were true.

If he voted for the bankruptcy bill, that'd be a strong indicator that he doesn't "get it".

[maximusveritas]

26. Exactly

Of course, Edwards will just say he didn't get it when he was in the Senate casting actual votes, but now he gets it now that he's out of Washington. It's up to the voters to decide if they believe that story or if they just think he's saying what he needs to say to win a Democratic primary. Personally, I don't think they're that gullible, but I guess we'll find out.

[Frank Cannon]

28. Here's the ideal Dem candidate to address poverty issues

Or so the MSM and a lot of concern trolls on this board will have us believe.

The haircut thing is so obviously bogus. I haven't read one word in the press on how much Mitt Romney spends on that Porter-Wagoner-esque pompadour of his. I guarantee he doesn't get his precious hairs cut at Floyd's Barber Shop.

[butch1227]

16. ONLY 30% of us are IDIOTS...????

I think that maybe about 50.1% of us are idiots.......... How else did bush get re-elected...?????
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha..........
It would be funny, if it wasn't SO TRAGIC....!!!!!!!!!!!

[petersjo02]

3. He's running ahead of both Clinton and Obama in Iowa

It's early yet. Edwards is my main man.

[citizen53]

7. People eat what they are fed

Many Democrats included.

We like to claim that only the idiots voted for Bush, but so far the media has been selling this as a two person race, accentuating gaffes and alleged hypocrisy instead of policy, and that seems to be what many "smart" Democrats are buying, even on the blogoshere.

I suppose we will again get what we deserve, and I have a sense of foreboding.

[mzmolly]

9. Wait until the primaries.

He'll surprise people I think?

[customerserviceguy]

24. What good would it be

to peak now? Edwards pulled a big surprise in 2004 in Iowa, and he's had a lot of time to learn from what he did then. Polls taken when most people have summer on their minds mean practically nothing.

[geek tragedy]

10. This is news? eom

[JDPriestly]

12. No way three out of ten think his policies would favor rich people

Also at least here in Los Angeles there is no way Clinton is getting 45%. People really don't like Clinton that much. Besides, here we go comparing Democrats to Democrats again. According to Rasmussen

Edwards 46% Giuliani 44%
Hillary 40% Giuliani 47%

Edwards 47% F. Thompson 41%
Hillary 46% F. Thompson 43%

Edwards 52% Romney 36%
Hillary 46% Romney 42%

Edwards 50% Huckabee 33%
Hillary 48% Huckabee 43%

Edwards 45% McCain 38%
Hillary 45% McCain 43%

Hillary is a known. These numbers will not get better for her.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_democratic_candidates_running_in_2008_presidential_election

[tom_paine]

18. I have no doubt that is the 26% who are Crazy Bushevik Stormtroopers

Propaganda point by omission, a common method in our "Free" Press, where ham-fisted old Soviet kind of lies are a no-no.

That same 26% also believes the Earth is flat. That same 26%, half would staff the death camps and the other half would work very hard "not to know what was going on".

But the main point it reinforces is the Phony Hypocrisy Issue of a rich man trying to help fight poverty.

[AnneD]

19. It is numbers like these

convince me that they (media GOP and more than a few DLC types) will do what it takes to strangle the Edwards campaign in it's early stages. They want to run the campaign that will be easiest for them to win. Edwards upsets the equation. The 2nd tier candidates have good ideas, but we can't put them in office realistically. Edwards has the best shot and the biggest pay off for the average middle class American. The first mud balls will be aimed at him.

The good news is that we have some strong new DEM's in office and will win even more seats in the coming elections. And we will keep getting in DEM's in that are there to do the peoples will, not their will-even if that means unseating some familiar faces. The momentum has started from the ground up and will occur over several election cycles. Those DEM's in office better wake up. They were elected not coroneted.

[Pastiche423]

25. "...and more than a few DLC types..."

Uh, while a senator, johnnyboy was a member of the DLC.

[AnneD]

27. There are members....

then there are MEMBERS. Lot's of folks joined the Nazi party because it was the only game in town, the only way you could eat. Until the DNC became revitalized, it was a one donkey party. I think Edwards is more inclined to listen to the DNC these days. I am not naive and am well aware of his connection. I just don't think it took as they say around here. Hillary and Obama sound like and are campaigning like DLC. Edwards sounds like DNC. He is taking risks and already talking about areas that Hillary and Obama are glossing over. They are ok, but I sense the same old same old with them. I sense somethng deeper with Edwards.

[Pastiche423]

29. Where does your sense come from?

In the ten years I have observed johnnyboy, not once has he shown that he is for his constituents (I was one of them), for poverty or labor.

He voted w/the DLC more than not. His votes for the IWR, for the 2001 bankruptcy bill, for the Patriot Act, for Yucca MT., to exempt fuel refiners from liability, against regulation of drinking water and that he did not bother to vote on an Iraq investigation, show me he leans more towards corporations (like DLC members) than for the principls of the DNC.

How did he treat you as a constituent?

[wisteria]

13. So? It is early and many people are not even paying attention yet. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

14. Media pundits insist its a two man Dem race, call Edwards a "phony"

You hear nothing but praise for Obama, nothing but inevitability for Hillary and nothing but "Edwards is such a phony" all day from George "Gore is a Liar" Stephanopolus, Katie Couric and their breed and what do you expect the polls to show? Most of the US electorate does not pay attention to the issues, read a newspaper or even watch the debates.

The corporate media has wet dreams about Obama being nominated so that they can get four more Republican years of lax FCC federal media rules enforcement. They think that Hillary can be beaten, too. They know that John Edwards, if nominated, will definitely win. If you were the corporate media, which candidates would you tell your whores to pimp for?

[wiley]

15. All three are great candidates

[Deja Q]

20. Oh, please. CBS is a network that would take bathroom stall scrawl and hawk it off as "news".

[mvd]

22. I like Edwards the most after Kucinich. I think Edwards might..

gain momentum later. He hired the right guy in Bonier IMO. I'm in a great mood today, though, and want to say something positive about all our candidates:

Clinton: she'd be our best at fighting back IMO, and we certainly need fighters. The Clintons don't back down.

Edwards: continues to keep the old Democratic populism alive, while being cautious on social matters. Not that social matters aren't equally important, but I'd like to win a couple southern or western states as insurance.

Obama: has a hopefulness about him that is charming

Kucinich: honest and closest to my views

Gravel: he's perhaps been the hardest hitting on the war

Biden: he'd make a good Secretary Of State

Dodd: exudes experience

Richardson: would make a good V.P., and as a Presidential candidate could help us in the interior west.

[Seabiscuit]

23. 3 in 10

That's why we always lose. 3 in 10 Dems are DLC/Bluedogs who bend over for Repukes. Add to that the 3 in 10 Murikans who bend over for Bushistas and you've got a majority of people who are willing to shred our Constitution for an illegal war for oil.