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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:49 AM
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Rule to Expand Mountaintop Coal Mining
Source: NYT

Rule to Expand Mountaintop Coal Mining
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: August 23, 2007

WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 — The Bush administration is set to issue a regulation on Friday that would enshrine the coal mining practice of mountaintop removal. The technique involves blasting off the tops of mountains and dumping the rubble into valleys and streams.

It has been used in Appalachian coal country for 20 years under a cloud of legal and regulatory confusion.

The new rule would allow the practice to continue and expand, providing only that mine operators minimize the debris and cause the least environmental harm, although those terms are not clearly defined and to some extent merely restate existing law.

The Office of Surface Mining in the Interior Department drafted the rule, which will be subject to a 60-day comment period and could be revised, although officials indicated that it was not likely to be changed substantially.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/23/us/23coal.html?hp
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:17 AM
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1. Idiots. n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:33 AM
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2. Barbaric idiots. Way way way past extinct their extinct-by date. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:53 AM
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3. someone posted some pics of this destruction on DU a while back.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:58 AM
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6. that was me
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:11 AM
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11. Thank you for that Google Earth link.. I downloaded the overlays.
They will come in handy when I try to explain to people the extent of the damage. (Yet another place where that "damn libbrul media" has failed us.)
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:59 AM
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4. Morans.
They don't give a shit that a lot of city's main water supply is from a river that begins in those valleys they're filling in with toxic rubble: DC, for one, though I don't know if that branch of the Potomac runs that far south into WV.

Regardless, there is no single person in this country who shouldn't be horrified by this practice and the environmental and aesthetic damage it does.
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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:46 PM
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21. The Potomac doesn't reach that far south.
But most of those streams that they are covering up with toxic rubble feed into the Ohio River and from there to the Mississippi. Watch out, Cincinnati, and Memphis, and New Orleans! Oh, I forgot, we don't really care about New Orleans.

:sarcasm:
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:37 AM
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5. BOB MURRAY IS CLAPPING HIS CHUBBY LITTLE HANDS
LEGALIZING PLANET RAPE
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:06 AM
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7. I have a stupid idea: A flat America
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 06:06 AM by liberal N proud
We can knock down all the mountains and fill the valleys raping them for what ever minerals are hidden beneath them.
Just imagine the view from the valley, no more early sunsets because of that mountain range to the west.
:sarcasm:



What is wrong with these fuckers?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:19 AM
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8. and we can pave'em.. I bet I could probably get 8 mpg in my Hummer.
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 06:20 AM by bahrbearian
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:50 AM
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9. Watching Amerika Bushify/Nazify has been very entertaining, sometimes
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 06:52 AM by tom_paine
in between the tragedies...there is the gallows humor common to both places which Bushies have modelled themselves after, Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany.

This is so obviously counter to our nation's long-term interests. Take a look at some recent sattelite photos of Appalachia, but hurry, Bushification is proceeding apace and it is only a matter of time (be it 2 years or 20 years) until those black and brown patches that cover large swaths of the Appalachians are Bushified into untouched greenlands by the magic of PhotoShop.

I do not know why this particular Orwellian Insanity, of which the Bushies lliterally perform THOUSANDS per year, has triggered cackling gallows humor in me, moreso than any of the others, but there is something acutely comical about hominids shitting where they live and rolling the poop down into the water they (we) drink.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:00 AM
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10. dupe
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 07:01 AM by annabanana
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:50 AM
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12. Damn. n/t
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:26 AM
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13. thanks for posting this, Snazzy
what a horrible practice. This is the equivalent of the rape of the Earth.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:44 AM
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14. Just wait until Senator Byrd hears about this! He'll put a stop to it
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:45 AM
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15. Horrible. It's inconceivable to me that anyone who maintains that they
believe in "God" could allow such a practice to go on. Mountains are one of those natural features that seem-at least to this agnostic- "close to the divine". Or at the very least, to a believer evidence of the hand of God because of their magnificence. I spent many summer vacations in the hills of West Virginia. I can't imagine growing up in a mountainous area, thinking that those familiar ranges would always be there, then.....not to mention that the debris makes living in those areas almost unbearable. But the gOP could care less; their true God is $$$, and the people they harm are mostly poor.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 11:03 AM
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28. Your post in a billboard...

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:19 AM
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16. Oh the humanity!!!!
:sarcasm:

Folks, 50% of our power needs comes from coal.

Figure out a way where we can run our electrical gewgaws without coal and you will be the worlds savior.

I just so love the over emotional disdain when people read about mountain topping.

Damn right it's horrible but...

WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES CAUSING IT!

Cut back on electrical use and the coal demand goes down. Thus the need for mountain topping is reduced.

simple simple logic.

Oh the humanity.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:44 AM
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18. We the people can't do much without help
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 10:45 AM by Spiffarino
It's going to require serious legislation. Powerful tax incentives for solar panels on homes. Wind and water power where feasible accompanied by tax incentives. Legislation that requires power-saving technologies to be used in all new buildings and, again, tax incentives to retrofit existing ones.

We need to nut-punch the Publicans in Congress until they submit to these changes and tell the goddamn White House morans to go fuck themselves. In that sense you are exactly right: It's about we the people. We the people who persistently, aggressively hold Congress' feet to the fire until they damn well fix the problems they've caused with their 50-year suckfest to Big Energy.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:45 PM
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19. Nut-punch!!
:rofl:

That was great. Yup. we can whine all we want but until we do something rather just complaining, it will continue.

Love the nut-punch! LOL
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:58 PM
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25. I believe DUers are all big fans
...of a sock in the baby basket for the R's. They've had it coming since Joe McCarthy.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 11:01 AM
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27. If we had any sense, we'd shut down every last coal fired power plant.
We could probably do it in fifteen years, starting with the oldest, dirtiest plants and working our way up to the newest plants.

But we don't have any sense. Instead we will continue to depend upon this dirty, deadly nineteenth century technology until really bad things start to happen and the economy collapses around us to the point where the electric grid isn't reliable enough or the demand high enough to support big coal fired power plants.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 12:26 PM
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29. If our "elected" leaders* had any sence we wouldn't be in a war either.
I'm really curious as to when anyone that has been elected to any sort of position in washington actually last listed to "the people".
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:22 AM
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17. Informative Online Videos & Links, and Capitol Hill Switchboard TOLL FREE numbers:
Online Video:



Links:



If anyone feels moved to contact their US Senators and Representative, they may be reached @ the following Capitol Hill Switchboard TOLL FREE numbers:

    1-877-851-6437
    1-800-828-0498
    1-800-459-1887
    1-800-614-2803
    1-866-340-9281
    1-866-338-1015
    1-866-220-0044

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:33 PM
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23. Yes and there are orgs
that send you an e-mail when e-mailing, petitioning congress, etc. with action alerts, is necessary!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:50 PM
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20. Here's some people who are fighting the good fight against
mountaintop removal.

http://www.kftc.org/

they are good people deserving our support.


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:08 PM
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22. Excellent site. Plus I wanted to kick :) nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:38 PM
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24. Ok, use me, I'm used to it.
I feel so dirty.

;)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 10:34 AM
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26. :)- nt
:P
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