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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:05 PM
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Report: Dean was warned on lax Vermont nuclear security
Note: It is a shame to see Dean's spokesperson use the same excuse as Rice did about about 9/11. Especially after the 9/11 chair recently said that the US was aware of the posibility of terrorists using planes at least as long ago as 1991.

By JOHN SOLOMON and DAVID GRAM
Associated Press

Presidential hopeful Howard Dean, who accuses President Bush of being weak on homeland security, was warned repeatedly as Vermont governor about security lapses at his state's nuclear power plant and was told the state was ill-prepared for a disaster at its most attractive terrorist target.

The warnings, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press, began in 1991 when a group of students were brought into a secure area of the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant without proper screening. On at least two occasions, a gun or mock terrorists passed undetected into the plant during security tests.

During Dean's final year in office in 2002, an audit concluded that despite a decade of repeated warnings of poor safety at Vermont Yankee, Dean's administration was poorly prepared for a nuclear disaster.

"The lack of funding and overarching coordination at the state level directly impacts the ability of the state, local and power plant planners to be adequately prepared for a real emergency at Vermont Yankee," state Auditor Elizabeth M. Ready wrote in a study issued five months after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Security was so lax at Vermont Yankee that in August 2001, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission staged a drill in which three mock terrorists gained access to the plant. The agency gave Vermont Yankee the worst security rating among the nation's 103 reactors.

The NRC has primary responsibility for safety at Vermont Yankee. But Vermont laws required an active state role by creating a panel to review security and performance and requiring plant operators to set aside money for the state to use in the event of a nuclear disaster.

Dean's campaign said Saturday it ultimately was the federal government's responsibility to ensure security at the plant, but that he badgered Vermont Yankee's operators and the NRC to make improvements during the 1990s.

"After September 11, Governor Dean decided the buck stops here in terms of security and personally ran this effort, creating a Cabinet-level agency," spokesman Jay Carson said.

Carson acknowledged there were weaknesses before 2002 in Vermont's nuclear preparedness, and Dean moved quickly afterward to place state troopers and National Guardsman at the plant, distribute radiation pills to civilians, demand a federal no-fly zone over the plant to prevent an aerial attack, and increase emergency preparedness funding.

"As many have said before, hindsight is 20-20 and no one could have predicted what could have happened on a terrible day in September 2001," Carson said.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:08 PM
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1. So Nuclear Power Plant Safety Is NOT A State Issue
With Howard Dean, you never know when an issue is or isn't.

"Dean's campaign said Saturday it ultimately was the federal government's responsibility to ensure security at the plant, but that he badgered Vermont Yankee's operators and the NRC to make improvements during the 1990s."

Of course, if something happened... your state's residents would be deeply affected.
But then to require a Power Plant to upgrade its safety measures would affect the corporate profits deeply.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:08 PM
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2. I'm noticing a pattern in the Media
Dean criticises Bush (such as the whole "secret meetings" thing) on an issue and something is published that doesn't even come close yet is somehow supposed to be evidence of hypocracy.
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nibbana Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:09 PM
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28. Owner Entergy Not Even Mentioned by AP
Notice how the private corporation is not even mentioned by the AP?

Entergy? I believe....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 06:44 PM
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31. Yep, the BFEE's Koch brothers own Entergy.
And Dean won't allow the documents regarding the sale to Entergy to be seen.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:10 PM
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3. John Solomon is not to be trusted
he engaged in trickery to compare Dean to Cheney regarding their energy task forces. I've emailed him repeatedly to retract that story.

It looks like he's doing the same here.

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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:11 PM
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4. How come the media can figure out what Dean
was told prior to 9/11 regarding security but can't seem to find out what Bush knew and when he knew it?

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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:25 PM
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11. Re: How come the media can figure out what Dean
...was told prior to 9/11 regarding security but can't seem to find out what Bush knew and when he knew it?

Isn't that part of what the 9/11 commission is doing?
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:31 PM
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14. 9/11 commission is a joke.
Media coverage of 9/11 is a joke. Media 'outing' of Dean is politics. Bush's $175 million primary campaign fund (for unopposed candidacy)can buy a lot of 'journalists'!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:48 PM
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18. *LOL* - DO I SEE A FOX IN THE HEN HOUSE,...AGAIN!!!!
:smoke:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:11 PM
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5. "it ultimately was the federal government's responsibility ?"
Dean says...

Civil unions, medical malpractice, and gun control decisions should be left up to the states but it was the federal government's responsibility to ensure security at the plant.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:13 PM
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7. Your post says it all.
Edited on Sat Jan-03-04 02:21 PM by LoZoccolo
"Civil unions, medical malpractice, and gun control decisions should be left up to the states but it was the federal government's responsibility to ensure security at the plant."

This contains no contradictions. Ones prescriptive, the other's descriptive.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:15 PM
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8. Yes, He's got it exactly right.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:29 PM
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12. Don't Forget Standing Up Against Right To Work Laws
Dean thinks that's a states' rights issue too.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:11 PM
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6. When the terrorists want to hit hard...
...they look to Vermont.

:scared:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:16 PM
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9. Ba dump bump.
;-)
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:29 PM
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13. Could terra-ize a lot of cows up here.
Oh, where is Gary Larson when you need him.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 08:01 PM
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33. Ahhh ya bet me to it!
;)
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:16 PM
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10. All I wanna know is this: Was Vermont attacked?
Edited on Sat Jan-03-04 02:17 PM by Sean Reynolds
No? Well than who cares?

Difference between 9-11 and this WE WERE ACTUALLY ATTACKED then.

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MarkTwain Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:33 PM
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21. As a "low" poster....
... with, however, a star (in fact two if you could see behind the first), I'm getting more than a bit concerned, actually irritated, by those who use this tactic against legitimate information which they find, oh shall we say, "unpleasant."

As a member who has been here since the second month of this board's incarnation, I believe this to be a very low and dirty trick and one which is employed when the argument is missing.

I have watched, over the years, more than my fair share of "four digit wonders" who offer little to the board except maybe for ad hominem attacks such as "low poster with no star" to accumulate their four digits.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:44 PM
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23. I respect your opinion,...
,...after all, people general do have the wherewithall to spot a divisive tactic versus a subject for examination and/or debate.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:40 PM
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16. Shouldn't that be the NRC's responsibility?
Pallisades plant in MI, who patrols the lake-side of the plant? MI state troopers in boats?
WRONG!
The Coasties watch it.

I'm starting to get tired of this "Know What? Howard Dean waits SEVEN months before swapping-out his toothbrush, not SIX!" bullshit that's coming up in the press.

Remember when Chimpy was asked what he was gonna do with all that campaign $$$$?

This is it.

Yeah, Rove wants Dean, alright...In his NIGHTMARES!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:41 PM
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17. This is the same press that reports
Bush saying he won't rest until bin laden's caught, or until every American that wants a job, has one? They are very discerning about what they investigate, aren't they?
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:25 PM
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19. Yayhoo !!!! Keep it up idiots
Time for more money to fly into the Dean coffers...expecting standing room only for the Meetup....

And Nuclear security is a big deal....you know the terrorists want to take away ALL our maple syrup and don't you forget it...
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:26 PM
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20. I want to see a report on security of nuclear plants in all states
And the governor and political party he/she belongs to, plus the previous governors.

I wonder how Ridge did was graded when he was governor of PA with a couple of nuclear plants in his state.

Then can Dean be fairly judged. Seems to me the Feds also left the states short.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:42 PM
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22. Did I miss something?
Did this plant get attacked or something? You can't hold Dean responsible for something that never happened.

And isn't it the PRESIDENT'S responsibility to defend our country against terrorists?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:47 PM
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24. How about Bush and his sham of a Homeland Security Agency
Leaving the whole damned country open to attack. Seems to me we haven't secured our ports. We cut screeners for the TSA. Keys are missing from nuclear labs., etc.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:48 PM
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25. The U.S. media is all run by Bush all the time
What a fucking right wing joke the media has become.
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:43 PM
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26. My Brother is a Vt State Policeman, putting in LOTS of OT at Yankee
for years. If I recall correctly, he put in less time after some federal program for subsidizing it was pulled by, you guessed it, the Bush* Admin.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:49 PM
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27. Read more here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107304,00.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-howarddean/browse

Hmmmmm.........

A google keyword search only turned up these two links.
How odd.
And by the way, how safe are the nuclear plants in Texas?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:38 PM
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30. Can't talk about Texas can we?
Thanks for the links - FUCK FAUX News -
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:33 PM
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29. Let's invent another non-issue shall we?

Laughable. Really pathetic.



-------------------------------------------------

http://www.nrc.gov/what-we-do/safeguards.html

Nuclear Security and Safeguards

The Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as revised , and the Energy Reorganization Act of 1974
, give NRC the responsibility for ensuring that the peaceful uses of nuclear energy "make the maximum contribution to the common defense and security and the national welfare, and... provide continued assurance of the Government's ability to enter into and enforce agreements with nations or groups of nations for the control of special nuclear material."

NRC responsibilities under these acts include regulating licensees' (A) accounting systems for special nuclear and source materials, and (B) security programs and contingency plans for dealing with threats, thefts, and sabotage relating to special nuclear material, high-level radioactive wastes, nuclear facilities, and other radioactive materials and activities that the NRC regulates. Programs that promote the common defense and security and protect public health and safety by guarding against theft and sabotage are generally referred to as safeguards and security.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 06:54 PM
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32. What's the baseline?
Nuclear security is horrible everywhere, even after 9/11. See, for instance, this:

Nuclear security mocked in plutonium raids
October 8, 2003

New York: Security at nuclear weapons laboratories in the United States is so lax that they have repeatedly failed drills in which mock terrorists captured radioactive material and escaped, an article in the magazine Vanity Fair says.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/07/1065292588799.html


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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 10:47 PM
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34. Anyone remember the 60 Minutes Report a few weeks ago
when Steve Kroft showed how vulnerable and unprotected our chemical plants are. Gee, whose responsibility does this fall under? The plant they got in to is only a few miles from where I work and live - how comforting!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 04:35 AM
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35. That's OUTRAGEOUS!!! HEADS SHOULD ROLL!!!
WHO IN THE HELL WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BACK IN 2001???

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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 05:33 AM
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36. Does Kerry Want Bush Elected?
Sounds like it.
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