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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 04:07 PM
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Rove Advised Bush Against Picking Cheney As VP
Source: Yahoo

Recently-departed White House adviser Karl Rove warned George W. Bush ahead of the 2000 election that picking Dick Cheney as his vice president would be a mistake, according to a new book set to hit bookstores Tuesday.

The Washington Post reported Monday that in the book -- "Dead Certain: The Presidency of George Bush" -- journalist Robert Draper reveals that Bush was intent on picking Cheney as his running mate, despite his warnings against it.

"Selecting Daddy's top foreign-policy guru ran counter to message. It was worse than a safe pick -- it was needy," Draper quotes Rove as saying.

Once he took office, the president "saw no harm in giving his VP unprecedented run of the place," Draper wrote.


Read more: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/070903/usa/us_bush_rove_politics
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 04:09 PM
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1. Kicking because the entire WaPo article is eye opening.
See what happens when an inbred ingrate is put in charge of the country? MKJ
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:06 PM
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18. here's the whore-shington post link to that
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 04:11 PM
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2. yea but as we all know ...
... Cheney was head of the "find a Veep" committee, and ultimately ended up picking himself {probably at Poppy and Carlyle and other corporate interests' behest} ... but I can see where there would have been an inherent power struggle between the Dick and KKKarl.
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:16 AM
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24. probably not corporate interests...
more like CFR, Trilateral Commission, etc. interests.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:05 PM
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25. Right - the 'men behind the curtain' ...
:scared: I never know specifically how to identify They-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named ...
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:20 PM
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26. i think that's one of the bigger problems
we don't always know who's pulling all the strings cause they are deeply private individuals.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 04:17 PM
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3. Supposedly the following were considered:
Bill Frist, George Pataki, John Danforth, Fred Thompson, Chuck Hagel, John Kasich, Chris Cox, Frank Keating, Tom Ridge, Colin Powell, and Jim Gilmore. Wonder which ones Karl wanted, before Cheney picked himself?
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:06 PM
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5. With the possible exception of John Danforth,
if this is the list of the best the ripkick potty has as second, the country-and that misbegotten party-is indeed in a bad way.

I realize everyone has some weak areas and some baggage to carry around, but these guys live in air conditioning because they stink up any place they happen to be.
Could it be that we just know more about them, as a result of the information age, or that these guys really really are the pig swill that I think them to be?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 06:04 PM
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11. Well, I except Hagel too--imagine if he had been VP--we'd probably
be in a very different (read: better) situation right now, at least in terms of war and foreign policy. The rest of them--ugh.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:49 PM
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21. You make a good point.
My experience of Hagel is primarily influenced by the 108th and 109th congresses, with Hagel playing the unhappy fool, his need to do good being overpowered by his desperate need to belong.

When I was a lot more ignorant, politicians were a lot smarter. Now that I take the time to know a lot more about them, they pretty much all suck.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 10:29 PM
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22. Yep, they all disappoint at some time or another--there are no
real heroes in politics. Even the most honest and well-meaning have to sacrifice some of their principles to keep playing the game and get re-elected.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:06 PM
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17. Bush-Cox would have been funny
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:34 PM
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27. every last one of them were furious about this because he had them
give all their financial records and tell him all their secrets, knowing he was going to choose himself. :)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 04:51 PM
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4. It's fun altering history.
Bush didn't choose squat.

Rove should be in prison for outing a CIA agent and her cover operation, not free to feed more bullshit to the public.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:08 PM
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6. Yes, Rove should be in the slammer- but this article does add a
new dimension to what was going on behind the scenes with Scooter. I have never sensed any love between Rove and Cheney.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:12 PM
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7. I agree 100%
You never see them anywhere near each other. They are two huge egos with control issues. Thing is combined they equaled Hitler in how nuts they are. Rove's tactics durign the elections and Cheney tactics in between the elections have made a very dark day for us here in the USA.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:24 PM
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8. I envision that Cheney stormed into the Chimp's office and demanded
that Scooter not be sent to the slammer. I'm surprised it didn't dislodge one of his many blot clots.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 06:45 PM
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12. No shit. This is just kkkarl distancing himself from the cheney/bush* cluster-fuck.
Edited on Mon Sep-03-07 06:46 PM by Raster
bush* was the BFEE's contribution to the Armageddon Administration. He no more selected Darth Cheney for VP than he legitimately won the White House. Darth was the representative from the NeoCon/PNAC crowd. He didn't have to be "selected." He was already on the payroll. What we are witnessing is "Turd Blossom, the boy genius" trying to cover his ass. Tomorrow you can expect kkkarl to claim he warned cheney/bush* not to invade Iraq.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:21 PM
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15. Exactly. I call horseshit too
It's common knowledge Cheney picked himself. Bush had nothing to do with it. Sigh--what ELSE is Rove going to invent from whole cloth as he tries to create an (entirely fictional) Bush "legacy" for the history books?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:34 PM
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9. Yawn
It makes perfect sense to be that Rove be against Cheney--he's knew what a rival he'd be for Bush's affections!

:boring:
rocknation
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:53 PM
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10. Rove plays the Washington Post like a violin. His farewell kick to Cheney.
They obviously didn't get along, except in their shared utter contempt for our nation's Constitution. Little men with Napoleonic complexes, Rove obviously planted this story - on the same day the Post ran a huge story about the Dems' "questionable" fundraising.

The Washington Post is a joke, merely pulled by those with agendas that the Bushies normally win. A dangerous farce that endangers us all. Today's front page was Exhibit 1.
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 06:55 PM
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13. What a joke
Bush Jr. didn't pick anyone for Veep. Cheney picked himself! I guess Draper couldn't come right out and say GW has always been just a front man. "The president saw no harm in giving his VP unprecedented run of the place" comes pretty darn close, though.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:10 PM
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14. I'm still not clear on how it happened, that the guy who was given
the task of picking a veep picks himself, and Bush goes, "well, OK." Why didn't Bush just ask him first then, and skip all the work of vetting all of those other guys, if it made so much sense? UNLESS (tinfoil hat here) some of the "vetting" was to get damaging dirt on the "up-and-comers" of the Repug party, so that they could be blackmailed in the future to keep them from causing trouble or challenging the administration.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:23 PM
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16. Better the palace eunuchs should be squabbling among themselves,
then thinking up new ways to screw the country.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:26 PM
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19. I won't even attempt...
to wade through that bullshit.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:27 PM
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20. As with everything we read in the MSM these days, no doubt this is a carefully calibrated dose of
both truth and fiction.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 11:12 PM
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23. dare we hope this is a precurser to his being tossed overboard?
and he'd be replaced by condi without a doubt imo.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:43 PM
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28. Stopped clocks are right twice a day (once, if they show military time)
So I shouldn't be shocked to find ONE thing I could agree with Karl on...
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