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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:55 AM
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U.S. scrutinizes bin Laden video
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM by flamingyouth
Source: Yahoo news

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government has obtained a copy of a purported new videotape of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and is studying it, U.S. officials said on Friday.


"We can confirm that the U.S. government has the video and it is being analyzed," one official said on condition of anonymity.

An Islamist Web site said earlier on Friday it would soon show a new video of bin Laden -- the first in nearly three years -- to mark the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States.

The Web site published a still photograph apparently from the video, which showed bin Laden looking older than in previously available pictures. However, a photo that Western analysts said accompanied the video announcement showed bin Laden's beard black rather than gray as in pictures from recent years.

Al Jazeera television said the footage, produced by al Qaeda's media arm, was likely to be shown within 72 hours.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070907/ts_nm/security_binladen_tape_dc;_ylt=AglzeYmdV.1n9Le0jJ6LaNys0NUE



JUST what we needed....


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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:57 AM
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1. Did he endorse Giuliani or Fred Thompson?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:57 AM
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2. Just for men beard coloring i suspect.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:01 PM
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4. Nah. Photoshop.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:02 PM
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6. and a terrible one at that, amateurs.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:33 PM
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73. "No play for Mr. Gray" -
He might be having trouble finding Pushtun tribesmen of the hill-country willing to him give a daughter of theirs for a new wife. Maybe he'll have more luck with that now. :shrug:
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:59 AM
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3. How convenient.
What a nice coinkidenk.
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dethl Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:01 PM
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5. ZOMG! Fear fear fear!
Run back to your houses - get duct tape and plenty of plastic sheeting. Seal all doors...save the children!....cancel the three-ring circus....yadda yadda yadda!

Just in time for Sept. 11th. Nothing like a little fear to bring the sheeple back in line....that is if they were sheeple anymore. Most people (aside from the minority that seem to have their lips firmly sealed on *'s ass) will see right through this.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:55 PM
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13. I think OBL works for *.
I think he gets paid to stay out of sight until * needs a tape. I think *'s people (those who can read and write) compose the script and I think * even sends out a camera crew to tape the production.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:05 PM
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7. Prolly gonna thank Junior for having done every single thing he wanted.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 12:05 PM by Lasher
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county . Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool, The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/11/13_Laden.html
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:07 PM
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8. "An Islamist website"
There's that blasted phrase again. And again. Why won't they tell us the URLs of these "Islamist websites"? Are they afraid we might learn something about where these websites are registered and run?

So help me, I've been on this kick for two years now, and someday, there's going to be a story there.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:36 PM
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64. They have been saying that for more than two years. You see
it from all the world press services and I don't know what sites they are talking about.

If these so called sites do exist, I agree with you there is a story there as to who really runs them.

Check this out:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/80630CF4-9BC4-481C-B6A0-E0E242136377.htm

Soon after Washington announced it had the video, all the websites that usually carry statements from al-Qaeda went down and were unaccessible, in an unprecedented shutdown, according to the Associated Press news agency.

The reason for the shutdown was not immediately known.


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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:56 PM
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99. That sounds very odd to me.
Who would benefit by shutting down those websites?

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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:14 PM
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9. - to mark the sixth anniversary . . .
of the September 11 attacks on the United States."

Six years! Has it been that long! My how time flies when you're having fun-dies!! -sarcasm-
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:24 PM
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10. Another video?
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 12:24 PM by Dulcinea
Pretty soon we'll have enough to release "The Best of Osama" on DVD.:sarcasm:
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:59 PM
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11. The Afghan Spelunker: How to Find the Right Cave. In this month's article, OBL gives us tips on
finding a magic cave that restores your youth. "After spending almost 3 years in my magic cave, my hair and beard became darker, and more presentable, my kidney stones have disappeared, and I am back to being the boogeyman that I once was, so I decided to make this video for all you spelunkers out there."
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:11 PM
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12. OH BROTHER! They are recycling the 2004 Robot bin Laden tape!
Sorry, not convinced by this bogus (and very low resolution) "new tape," He's bin Dead since December 2001, which was the last time I saw anything convincing.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:07 PM
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14. This tape is a fake, just like the one broadcast just before the '04 elections.
Wake up, sheeple. OBL is dead. Your minds are being manipulated.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:14 PM
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15. The beard has been trimmed and dyed
Wahhabists are supposed to be very strict about "long beards". "Ossama's" new beard looks to be mighty close to the line. It seems a bit like the queen wearing a mini-skirt, or Bush in a hoodie and baggie jeans - perhaps not disallowed, but rather unlikely.

"Thus all Kabul males were given just six weeks to grow a full beard, even though some of the ethnic groups - the Hazaras, for instance - have limited beard growth. More, beards could not be trimmed shorter than a man’s fist. The religious police stood at street corners with scissors cutting off long hair and often beating culprits. Men had to wear their salwars above the ankle and everyone had to say his/her prayers five times a day. All conceivable forms of entertainment were strictly taboo: movies, TV, video, music, dance. Even, kiteflying! "Nawroz", the traditional Afghan New Year celebrations, were declared un-Islamic. Nobody was allowed to hang paintings, portraits or photographs in their homes. The tragic truth is that the very idea of culture was alien to the Taliban."

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020106/spectrum/book4.htm



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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. His eyebrows are
lower, his nose more rounded, all the while he is growing younger. They must think they don't need to make this believable since people will buy anything.




May 26, 1998


October 7, 2001


November 3, 2001



December 26, 2001





October 29, 2004

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5645972,00.gif
Today
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:28 PM
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17. A mix tape for his pal George W. Bush?
How romantic.

Smooches from the Bush's business partners.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:44 PM
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18. The colored beard is right up there with the "accidental nuke flight".
One must ask "Why would it be so?" Why would Bin Laden dye his beard? And why would nukes accidentally get put on planes and transported across the U.S.? These things make no sense in the grand scheme of things. What is really up?
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:49 PM
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19. Seems Fishy
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 02:53 PM by erpowers
This tape seems fishy to me in that it is supposed to show Bin Laden criticizing the Democrats for not being able to get the troops out of Iraq and suggesting that people read books by Chomsky and former CIA agent Scheuer. The only problem with this is that for some reason the web sites that were supposedly carrying the tape have been mysteriously shut down. The person interviewed by MSNBC said that he thought Al Quida shut the websites down in that they were trying to see how the tapes leaked to the American government before the tape was supposed to be broadcast. That person went on to say that the American government getting this tape would be seen by Al Quida as a setback. The person also said that the American government mostly likely did not have the capability to shut down those websites.

This seems wrong to me in that if the tape was playing on "islamic websites" than most likely Al Quida posted the video on those websites. In addition, how is it that the American government does not have the capability to shut down a number of websites. It seems very convenient to me. This way Bush and the Republicans can say the Democrats cannot be put into office in that it would embolden Al Quida. While at the same time there is noone who can look at the video tape, translate it, and report that Bin Laden does not mention the Democrats.



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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:04 PM
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20. IMO, Osama is alive and well, and actually means what he says.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 04:44 PM by arewenotdemo
Bush had a problem with going after him (due to the Bush/Bin Laden family connections), and so gave OBL plenty of time to get the fuck out of Dodge after 9/11, essentially guiding him to a second safe haven in Pakistan. Safe only because the American media has been on bended knee to the Chimperor throughout his reign and refuses to ask the obvious questions.

The Cheerleader is essentially a simple moran. He has an overwhelming, life-long Oedipal need to upstage Daddy, which has been played out on an international stage only because we are a nation of simple morans.

His other defining characteristics are cruelty and the greed that continues to inspire him....the greed that led him, while New York was smoldering, to sell out this nation (of greedy, simple morans) to the Saudis.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
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21. Bin Laden urges Americans to convert
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 02:45 PM by Newsjock
Source: Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt — Osama bin Laden appeared for the first time in three years in a new videotape Friday, telling Americans they should convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end, according to a transcript obtained by ABC News.

The videotape appeared to have been recently made, since bin Laden refers to the Democratic victory in Congress and to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was elected in May.

"I invite you to embrace Islam," bin Laden said, according to a transcript posted by ABC News on its Web site.

"It will also achieve your desire to stop the war as a consequence, because as soon as the warmongering owners of the major corporations realize that you have lost confidence in your democratic system and have begun to look for an alternative, and this alternative is Islam, they will run after you to please you and achieve what you want to steer you away from Islam," he said.



Read more: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/APWires/international/D8RGQF880.html



I'm calling shenanigans on this one ... it comes right after the meme started to spread that "they" want to come force us all to convert. And now this. How convenient.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
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22. Osama to BUSH - Thanks for your help recuriting terrorists on my behalf nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
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23. I'm sure the only thing that will save us all is...
If we all convert to Bush's flavor of bastardized Christianity.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. "They" have to get here
I don't see that happening. :eyes:

Just try to put me in a burka you dumb shit.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
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25. Islam is truly miraculous!
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 02:35 PM by Warpy
Look at Osama! It's made him fifteen years younger, heavier, with a shorter beard, and even returned his hair to its youthful color!

If that doesn't get them more converts, what will?
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #25
65. Arab formula 13...
...but the Greeks claim they invented it.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. My daughter is marrying a Muslim in November.
Does that count?
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #26
52. You will be only half destroyed when the time comes.
;-)




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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. OBL is being paid off to make these videos
He's been making them for profit ever since the one he made in November 04. They're timing these things. BushCo needs OBL, OBL needs BuschCo. Simple as that.

Mark your calandar for the last weekend before the election next year. There WILL be another OBL tape saying vote Republican or you will die a horrible death by beheading, or words to that effect.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
57. Part of me thinks he'd dead; another thinks he's living large...
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 03:58 PM by TWriterD
in a palace in Saudi Arabia. How convenient that he magically reappears after a 3 year absence (and just because my government tells me it's him in the video and authenticates his voice, I ain't necessarily buying it).

What unthinkable thing is about to go down that The Maladministration needed to trot out OBL? Iran? Another terra attack in this country? To remind Americans that the bogeyman does indeed exist, therefore, we need to continue with the surge and maintain an indefinite presence in Iraq? How conveniently timed around the release of the Petraeus report. Do they think we're that phucking stupid? Wait--I know the answer to that.

You're dead-on with the beheading remark. I have neighbors still whipped into a frenzy thinking (um, make that "believing") they may be forced to wear burqas some day. Idiots.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. Twriter ...in a Carlyle Condo, owned By Bush and bin Laden family.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. With visits from Tony Blair.
Isn't he now a full-fledged member?

It's 2007--has history taught us anything? Resource, land, and power grabs for the wealthy; fear, ignorance, and the greatest opiate of all to manipulate the masses. With some progress along the way.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to unload some cheap shit from China, eat a mass-produced cardboard pizza, and tune in to crap TV. ;-)
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. Twriter ...in a Carlyle Condo, owned By Bush and bin Laden family.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. It's so thoughtful of Osama to repeat Republican talking points.
He's really been a good friend to George.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. He does this for the same reason Iran does, to improve the
chances of right wing nut job fascists in elections. This is to punish the American people with this type of rule and it works. Iran worked to get Reagan elected with the hostage crisis while Jimmy Carter was in charge. Once Reagan took over, mission accomplished and they let the hostages go.

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. I am livid
about this news item. If Ted Kaczynski wants to address the nation on the anniversaries of his bombings IS THAT OKAY?

Why in tarnation does anyone give OBL ANY ATTENTION WHATSOEVER?
It certainly isn't for the good of citizen or country, not that that has been a requirement for any actions taking since 2000.

This is a direct play to RW nutso fear mongering. I cannot say enough nasty things about this fiasco, so I'll stop now.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. Was the one-hit wonder bragging about a comeback?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. I'm not sure
what you mean. But I wonder why WE are just as amused by this as the masters of deceit want us to be? I am opposed to it! We just don't allow killers to make tapes and capture the national attention. Do we?
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
55. I totally agree
If that asshole is even still alive (I don't know that I believe that he is) why should he have the forum to spew his so called *wisdoms*?

I really don't give a crap what bin forgotten has to say, or what his warnings or opinions are...furthermore why do his taped messages always seem to arrive just in time to divert attention and rally support for bush?

Things that make you go Hmmmmm!
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. Osama the dead guy pops up again!
The man is amazing!
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
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31. This stinks to High Heaven! I just don't buy it.
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
32. Us to Islam: "Embrace Christianity or Else We'll keep bombing
you all to pieces!"
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
33. Gee, can't we just leave Iraq and do our own things in different places?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
34. Osama who?
Oops, sorry. I must have been channeling * there for a moment. :blush:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
36. So Bin Laden supposedly makes a
video...the U.S. supposedly gets a leaked copy...then all the Islamic militant Web sites that usually carry statements from al-Qaida went down and were inaccessible, in an unprecedented shutdown.

Nothing fishy here.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. We used to only comment on them after the fact, now they
get the pre-release right in their hands.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
37. This smells like
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mancandy Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #37
47. Yep. It wont take long for Sean Vanity....
to claim that this "message" sounds like the Democrats. The content of these videos and their timing is always just too convenient for the Repugs
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OldTymeDem Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. Sorry, but he does sound like a Democrat
He's pissed that the Democratic Congress hasnt ended the war as promised..Something that is repeated here daily. He is also concerned about Global Warming and the mortgage crisis...So obviously BushCo has fabricated this video to make the Dems look bad.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #58
71. I found his mention of Democrats strange
Did he think we would be on his "side" when we took power? It just doesn't make sense, and I agree that something is fishy.
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mancandy Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #58
93. "So obviously BushCo has fabricated this video to make the Dems look bad."
Thats what I said in a round about way :)
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
39. Osama is clearly just doing these for the money now
I mean, this video is artistically bankrupt. It has none of the gravitas or emotion of his previous work.

Two thumbs way down.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. And apparently they only have a VHS camcorder from 1983
The quality stinks.. On purpose I suppose, so we don't question the makeup job.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
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48. I heard Brett Ratner's gonna direct the next one
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 03:05 PM by Chovexani
:scared:
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
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42. Done: War over now?
One religion is just as good as another in my book if it helps convert:evilgrin:
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OldTymeDem Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
43. I dunno, it sounded like a YearlyKos convention speech
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 02:58 PM by OldTymeDem
“People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there.”

Obviously this is a BushCo planted video...

If it was real perhaps Kos ought to invite him to give the keynote speech next year!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
44. Well, it appears we have reached the point of critical mass here..
I guess we'll just have to keep bombing each other...:nuke: :banghead:
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fiore280 Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
45. what a douchebag
Osama Bin Laden is such an asshole. Like we are really going to convert to Islam. Not that there is anything wrong with Islam--it is a beautiful faith--but he can't really think we will believe that we will end the Iraq war and eradicate corporate control over our country by converting to Islam. And who would listen to him NO MATTER WHAT he said. The jerk makes me so angry, can't he tell that we hate him, we hate Al Quaeda, and we hate people who try to spread Jihad. Sheesh! And yes, he does help BushCo by repeating the stupid talking points of Virgil Goode and his fearmongering ilk. That is his only function right now and he needs to be wiped off the earth like the proverbial shitstain that he is.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
67. Convert! Only a 2.5% tax rate!!!
That makes Islamic taxation 4 times better than Christian tithing!!!

Yet another reason to upgrade to God 3.0 (Islam) from God 2.0 (Christianity). But forget about backwards compatability with God 1.0 (Judaism) and God 0.0 (any polytheism, but especially Hinduism).
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #67
80. And they
never pay interest. The Federal Reserve could not survive without interest. Wouldn't that be a shame.
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spirit of wine Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
49. Is There A Koranic Scholar In The House?
Bin Laden Is a fundamentalist just like the fundies in our country. Who is to say they might even be working in concert after so many years, by forming an alliance that gives them a chance at increasing their profit margin. This type of a hijacking of religion fundamentalism should be called out on all sides as disgusting. And I consider myself an atheist but can see a fakir and a faker when they are both evident.

Something Stinks!!

Bush and Bin Laden are business partners- Does this Convert?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #49
68. The propaganda from both sides is so weird right now I don't
know what to believe.

As a muslim looking at Iraq, the only thing the three main players: sunni's, shia, kurds, have in common is Islam. So trying to use that point to help people there unite a bit more seems logical but I believe the people causing all the trouble over there could care less about religion. In my opinion they are simply old guard political elite with money who want more power.

So Bin Laden saying if America converts x, y, and z will happen doesn't make any sense. Albeit the video isn't actually out yet, who knows what he is really saying and whatever it is doesn't really matter anyway.

I think that the repug's and the MSM are just going to use it to make Dem's look like their issue list is the same as Bin Laden's. Which they already are and it isn't even out yet.

It just seems too fishy to me that this is occurring right when the B*sh media blitz is going to try and keep the occupation going in Iraq. Everything they have done and have said has one theme "stay in Iraq until the next election and make them deal with it". Listen to what every General is saying, what every Repug is saying, what every poll is going to show. It is all to stay, they never define leaving. When you look at all the Repug senator's speeches lately it is the same thing. They want to stay there forever just like in Japan and Germany.

I personally would love to see the Iraqi refugees in Syria and Jordan and elsewhere taken care of and that country to do better but I don't know if the U.S. occupation is helping that or making it worse. Personally I am now in the camp that it is making it worse and they should leave. It could be a disaster but it is already dispelling so many Iraqi's to other countries it would be worth a shot.

That is my 2 cents :-).
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
50. osama bin has been.
who cares?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #51
77. anti-Muslim AND homophobic!
excellent job combining those in a completely gratuitous way.

Welcome to DU.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #51
89. I'm utterly bewildered by all of that.
However, I laughed in an "I just read Alice in Wonderland" sort of way so thanks for that.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
53. If the tape is real, I would suggest to Osama that we all keep....
our religious views to ourselves, so, the world has one less thing to fight about.

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
54. This is laughable, and panders to the
sheeple's worst fears about the dangers of Islam. And how convenient that it arrives just a few days before the bogus "Petraeus" (spelled C-H-E-N-E-Y) report warns that if we don't stay in Iraq indefinitely we'll be fighting those same Islamic extremists over here. It's embarrassing that they think they can still pawn this shit off on a fearful public.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
84. Of course it is laughable...
...so I say crank up the joke machine.

Wackos can't take humor.

What would Ali G say?
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
56. Precursor to an attack
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 03:43 PM by Spiffarino
No, I'm not being alarmist. I figure he'd do one no matter what. If I understand correctly, it's either traditional or maybe even a Koranic requirement to offer your enemy conversion to Islam before attacking him. He's covering his butt.

Well thanks for the offer, asshole, but I think I'll just continue to not be afraid of your sorry ass and keep fighting against everything you - and all other undemocratic fundamentalists - stand for.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. I'm with you. It may be a precursor - and I'm outta DC on Sept. 11
Don't get me wrong, my vacation has nothing to do with Sept. 11, but northern Michigan is undoubtedly a safer spot to be than downtown DC, where I work. You are right about his offer to convert, too.

Anyway, I'm off tomorrow to the Leelanau Peninsula:

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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #61
78. That's so gorgeous.
I'll be in Ludington and Pentwater at the end of the month. Closer to home, but nothing's like Leelanau.

Enjoy!

I work in Downtown D.C., too. Unfortunately, I'll be there hiding under my desk.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #56
66. If I'm not mistaken, a large attack has occured after each new video from Osama... eom
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #66
92. you are mistaken...
do some research.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
62. OBL is half right
America should convert, and so should the rest of the world -- to atheism.

What a great day that would be. Too bad it won't happen.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #62
88. "And no religion, too..."
Imagine.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
69. Bin Laden says US should convert
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 07:13 PM by edwardlindy
Source: BBC News

Last Updated: Friday, 7 September 2007, 23:50 GMT 00:50 UK

A new video tape purportedly made by al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden has urged the American people to embrace Islam in order to stop the war in Iraq.

Unnamed US officials said they believed the speaker, who makes no overt threats against the US, was indeed Bin Laden. It is his first video in three years.

edit to add direct link to video :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6980000/newsid_6984400/6984493.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6984102.stm
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. I agree, we know Muslims who follow Sunni beliefs do not kill Muslims who follow Shi'a beliefs
:sarcasm:
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MorganaSeawalker Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. Convert ? Not in this life time
No more interested in this ME religion then I am in any of the others born there, nope will stick with my peace pipe.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. Convert now! Call before midnight...
...and forget about shipping and handling!

But that's NOT ALL!

Order now and and get FOR FREE the RonCo 72 virgins coupon! That right! Just enter Paradise as a martyr and cash in your coupon for 72 virgins!

(Forget that peace pipe - that is a God 0.0 item. Everyone needs to upgrade to God 3.0)
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:25 PM
Response to Original message
72. Osama over time...
Osama in October 2001:



Osama in 2004:



Osama now:

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5645972,00.gif



Nope, something's definitely not right.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:13 PM
Response to Original message
74. Convert? I don't *think* so.
:rofl:
I'm not trading in my blue jeans and purple cowboy hat for a stifling black burqua. :thumbsdown:
No. Fucking. Way. x(



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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. Don't want the Burqua?
Don't be a woman.

Your choice. Don't blame pious followers of the true religion for holding you to your choice.

By the way - don't choose. That violate Allah's law as well. Unless you choose the right way.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
76. Now, are these the Bushies who wrote and produced the video
Do they get to scrutinize their own work, pretending they are seeing it for the first time.

nahh, they may have even brought in a team of honest agents, as opposed to Loyal Bushies, to lend verisimilitude to the lie.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:41 PM
Response to Original message
79. So are we surprised at the
media attention? This sickening story has held the google headline since it broke. I refuse to click on any of the story links.
My clicks aren't keeping at the top.

Is anyone surprised that the top story now reads,
President Bush says the release of a new video by al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden is a vivid reminder of the dangers still facing the world.

George is the best promoter AQ has ever had. He has done more to advance terrorism in 6.5 years than terrorists have accomplished in 230 years.

HE AGREES WITH BIN LADEN! Thank you Mr. OBL for supporting our pResident! Where would we be without you?
Maybe living in a Democracy?

Not a day goes by that I don't pray at least once that George and his cabal become intimately aquainted with Lady Justice. There will be parties in the streets. A national holiday. A day of feasting and merriment.
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yojon Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
83. Who woulda thought you can get Grecian Formula
in the back hills of Afganistan. Amazing!
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #83
86. No, no, no..
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 01:56 AM by rayofreason
Jihadi forumla 13!

Much superior to that kaffir grecian stuff.

Even better, try Jihadi formula 72 (virgins). One use and no more gray worries. It's dynamite! (or C4).
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
85. Why are they giving OSAMA such airtime
during a time of national mourning? I thought about this when I heard the story. Another DUer thought the same thing I read, above. Seriously, why does this guy get to have airtime like this????

WHO CARES that he's made a new video. And the DUer above made the point, do they give the Ted Kyzienski (sp) airtime, or any other mass murderer airtime - so they can be seen on TV to harass people that suffered from his attacks?

how ridiculous!
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #85
87. they're *not giving Osama airtime... it's bs
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 01:47 AM by Clovis Sangrail
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:58 AM
Response to Original message
90. bin Laden with a digital beard, like a character out of a Laura Croft video
and just in time to distract us from bad news.
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BrokenBeyondRepair Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:28 AM
Response to Original message
91. 911 = inside job.. are you awake yet?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #91
94. ?
looks like the inmates are out of the asylum
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:00 PM
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95. anybody know what website the video is on? (eom)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. What do you mean, the original terr-rrr-orr website or the ABC site or...
...do you want the SITE or Intelcenter website where a U.S. Government Contractor will sell you ac copy for $39.99?

I have those links, or you could wait a few days and get it for free at the Internet Movie Archive.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:00 AM
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98. It's here
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
97. Isn't it a muslim obligation to his enemy to offer conversion before attacking them?
Yes, I think they have to offer a chance to convert to the Islamic way before he can be allowed to attack his enemy in the name of Allah......

So, like which cities have the masses rushed to the mosques and asked to convert or will it take a few dirty bombs to convince them that yes;
"Islam is truely the religion of peace"
idle threats but imo, there are people who wish amerikka was attacked...as long as they are around to point fingers after the fact of course.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:24 PM
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100. video is a fake
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/9/9/61032/95401
just saying, more and more people see it as BS
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