US surge has failed - Iraqi poll

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

About 70% of Iraqis believe security has deteriorated in the area covered by the US military "surge" of the past six months, an opinion poll suggests.

The survey by the BBC, ABC News and NHK of more than 2,000 people across Iraq also suggests that nearly 60% see attacks on US-led forces as justified.

This rises to 93% among Sunni Muslims compared to 50% for Shia.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6983841.stm

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From the poll:

[minnesota_liberal]

1. Trying to muddy the waters with facts?

The only "facts" that matter are those in Bush's head: WE HAVE TO STAY IN IRAQ!

[saigon68]

29. Facts

War crimes are being committed by thugs and hoodlums like this one

[minnesota_liberal]

32. I completely understand the Iraqis wanting us to leave

... even without torture, rendition and the like.

[rAVES]

2. No, Thats not blood on our hands....

Thats Red ink from crossing out all the facts and bolding the lies.

[Demit]

3. They 'believe'? aren't they kind of in the best position to KNOW?

This journalistic trend to use terms like 'believe' and 'suggest' is really getting me down. How bout 70% of Iraqis SAY, and the opinion poll SHOWS. Feh.

[Arugula Latte]

12. Who are they gonna believe? Our Great Commander or their lyin' eyes? nt

[antiimperialist]

4. a whopping 70% of Iraqis think the surge is a failure

wow

[Rose Siding]

6. 70% of Americans have "grim view of surge"

2 polls suggest grim view of surge
snip>
According to the ABC/Washington Post poll, 58 percent of respondents said they felt the US surge had no impact on the situation there, while 12 percent said they felt it had made things worse. Fifty-three percent of those polled said they believed that Petraeus would present an assessment that is more positive than the reality on the ground. Only 39 percent thought he would portray the situation honestly.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/10/2_polls_suggest_grim_view_of_surge/?page=2

Sycronicity.

[harun]

8. Political situation may be the worst it has ever been

during the occupation.

I think the numbers being shown to congress are skewed simply because so many refugees have fled to Jordan and Syria. There are so many displaced citizens that it looks like things have calmed down in some areas. Everyone leaving an area shouldn't count as a success.

[LiberalFighter]

16. nearly 60% see attacks on US-led forces as justified

Not exactly the best environment needed for troops to make progress.

IF an occupying military was in our country I would consider attacks on the military justified too. I have sympathy for the Iraqi's plight and their opposition to US forces.

[ericgtr]

22. What?

You would be opposed to another country invading us and forcing their political system on us when we want absolutely nothing to do with it? :P

I could see the reality of such a situation too, for example France launches an attack on Canada and Canada retaliates by invading Guam.

[antiimperialist]

5. No wonder there's some drop in violence. Everyone fleed!

There are less Iraqis to be murdered. It makes sense that deaths are somewhat lower.
I'd love to see a statistic of how many Iraqis are left in the country.

[antiimperialist]

7. I never pay attention to polls asking Americans what they think about the surge

because we are here shopping at macy's and watching football games on TV while Iraqis see their families blown up and flee the country.
Next time you see a poll saying that many Americans think the surge is working, dismiss it.

[minnesota_liberal]

9. This poll involves IRAQIS

Edited: Oops, I guess that was your point.

[jhain]

10. Benjamin Franklin:

Benjamin Franklin: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

[allisonthegreat]

21. Good one...

I thought that came from Narcotic's Anonymous...or some 12 step program...Kewl!

[skip fox]

11. Muriel, I've added this to a site with links to a lot of Iraqi data

Hoping to counter SurgeGate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1772973

[graywarrior]

13. And yet, he's still the leader of the free world.

Spare us.

[madrchsod]

14. what do they know?

they need to trust our leaders to do the right thing for them....

[redqueen]

15. Why would anyone here listen to the Iraqi people?

Most don't seem to want to bother their beautiful minds with that stuff.

[Jackpine Radical]

17. How much coverage is this getting in the American press?

Is it being played as a major rebuttal to the Petraeus nonsense?

[ooglymoogly]

18. kr

[SemiCharmedQuark]

19. Oh who cares what *they* think!

We have to hear what our generals on the ground think!

[ClintonTyree]

28. Which ones?

The Generals that are tightly bonded to Bush's ass in hopes of promotion, or the Generals that aren't looking at things through an asshole's asshole? :shrug:

[PianoBlack]

20. Who cares?

Why would we listen to them? What do they know? We know what's good for them and they have no idea. We need to take care of them and coddle them regardless of what they say.

:sarcasm:

[primavera]

26. Pretty remarkable, isn't it?

I think it says a lot that European new sources conduct polls of Iraqis while US "news" only conducts polls of US military officials, neocon talking heads, and the White House Press office. Has any US news source ever expressed any interest whatsoever in what the actual Iraqis want for their own country?

[PianoBlack]

35. Well...the trick is...

In order to care about what the Iraqi's want you'd first have to have a heart. Secondly, you'd have to have compassion. Third you'd have to care about anyone but yourself...you see where I'm going with this. Need I say more?

[Binka]

31. Welcome Kiddo!

Always nice to see a young person join DU. Keep posting you're in the right err I mean LEFT place.:hi:

[PianoBlack]

34. :)

Thank ya very much.

[BridgeTheGap]

23. If Bush's idea of the surge "working" is blowing the shit out of Bagdhad

then I suppose it's working.
The msm really seem to ignore the fact that an overwhelming majority of Iraqis do not want the U.S. military in their country.
I noticed how some of the talking heads/supporters of this shit have reverted to "protecting our vital interests" (imperialism) as the reason for staying.

[AllyCat]

24. But Gen. Betrayus said it's working. Who is right?

It was on the TV today so the Gen must be right, no?

[Doctor_J]

25. And this is in the places where * escalated the war

What about the places that we abandoned?

[mzmolly]

27. Excellent information, bookmarking.

Thanks.

[ClintonTyree]

30. That 70% are just "dead-enders".

Nothing to be alarmed about. They're in their last throes. It's all good. Let the good times roll in Iraq! :woohoo:

[ohio2007]

33. Sunni triangle is ready to step up and take over

AT least at the tribal level they can tell the good guys from the bad;

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f7_1189472573

They are ready to walk without a crutch

[agincourt]

36. BBC and Guardian,

are the only credible mainstream news sources that I can think of. Every thing else sucks on neo-cons as much as they can get away with.