Schwarzenegger says he will keep vetoing gay marriage bill

[Newsjock]

Source: Associated Press

SACRAMENTO (AP) -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Monday that he won't reconsider his decision to veto a bill legalizing gay marriage and will keep vetoing the measure as long as lawmakers send it to him.

The Republican governor said he won't change his position unless voters overturn an anti-gay marriage initiative that Californians adopted in 2000.

"It would be wrong for the people to vote for something and for me to then overturn it," Schwarzenegger said. "So they can send this bill down as many times as they want, I won't do it."

The bill would redefine marriage as a civil contract between two people, but would still let religious groups refuse to sanction the unions.

... Geoff Kors, executive director of the gay rights organization Equality California, said Proposition 22 only bars California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed outside California.

Read more: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2007/09/17/state/n173656D09.DTL

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

1. California, please don't let your Governor tell you that whatever the people vote for, he'll veto.

In regard to gay marriage today. In regard to "fill in the blank" tomorrow.

I hope you have some more "voice of the people" surprises for the governator.

You all have kept him on his toes, that's for sure. :-)
MKJ

[Siyahamba]

2. The 21st century George Wallace

That's how he'll be remembered.

[nuxvomica]

3. Isn't Proposition 22 unconsitutional anyway?

Isn't it a violation of the "full faith and credit clause"? Has it been tested?

[Siyahamba]

4. Not under the Defense of Marriage Act

The DOMA itself is unconstitutional, but the current Supreme Court isn't likely to strike it down.

[Orsino]

17. The DOMA is irrelevant to the question of constitutionality. n/t

[slackmaster]

20. What benefits are denied to same-sex couples because of Proposition 22?

Here's some background reading to help you think it through:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=00001-01000&file=297-297.5

I call your attention specifically to Section 297.5, paragraph (a).

[slackmaster]

28. What's this? No response from anyone?

The only thing I can think of is "The privilege of introducing your partner as your spouse without lying."

In California there is no real legal difference in the eyes of the state between a married couple and a couple who are registered Domestic Partners.

Marriage is considered by many people to be a largely spiritual status, parallel to but distinct from the state-sanctioned contractual partnership. I think a lot of the reason people aren't happy with the fix we came up with here is the "forbidden fruit" thing. But a state granting marriage licenses that would not be honored in other states does cause problems.

If we are to have gay marriage in this country, it has to be the whole country all at once.

[olddad56]

5. it never ceases to amaze me that so many people still think we live in a democracy.

we don't, get over it, those days are over. Don't step out of line. We can have you disappeared.

[NV Whino]

6. Fuck Arnie. eom.

[EFerrari]

9. Twice. We have to get his @ss out of Sacramento.

And to do that, we have to support our Secretary of State, Debra Bowen, who is reforming our elections.

[NV Whino]

13. I know I don't need to say it, but...

Debra Bowen rocks!

[slackmaster]

19. Arnold will be term-limited out in the election of 2010

He won't be running for the office ever again, so nothing Ms. Bowen could do would have any influence on his tenure.

[EFerrari]

25. You're right about the terms limits. I suppose I just don't trust

anyone remotely connected to the Bush mafia to actually respect the law. One might call that frame of mind "shellshock". :(

[xchrom]

7. this is a prime example of why i HATE ''direct democracy''.

in a situation like this -- a minority group seeking equal rights is cut off by the mob.

and to rub salt in the wound -- it gives schwarzenboober a stage to act like an idiot playing to the lowest common denominator.

[Snot Hannity]

8. Not surprised.

He does not like "girly" men. He made it clear on many occassions.

[mitchtv]

10. Pray that his "Maplethorpe" photos

come out soon

[Snot Hannity]

12. Are there some?

I wouldn't care to look at them. But it will certainly "expose" another RW hypocrite.

[NV Whino]

14. There are many nekid shots of Arnie

A little stealth googling will turn them up.

[Snot Hannity]

15. Oh! That certainly qualifies him

to tell us what is marriage and what is not.

[TommyO]

11. Perhaps it's time for Californians to recall their governator.

[slackmaster]

18. Arnold's position on this issue is one of the reasons he got elected

That's the hard truth.

[Zhade]

31. Sadly, there are a lot of hateful bigots in this state.

I should probably throw out the reminder (not aimed at you) that those who do not support GLBT marriage are not welcome on DU, per Skinner's own words.

[RogueBandit]

16. Dick in magazine, butt grabber

He's disgusting. A Nazi, I think.

[swimboy]

23. Magazine?

I'd like somebody to slam his dick in a fokking encyclopedia.

[mitchtv]

26. Was a Nazi youth

Like Pope Bennie the Rat
Also, jailed in Austria for AWOL from the service

[olddad56]

27. maybe that explains why he is a nazi adult

[arewenotdemo]

21. He's a true Puke, in every respect that counts.

:puke:

[swimboy]

22. First the judiciary trying to legislate from the bench was the problem

Now the legislators are trying to legislate from the legislature, and we can't have that!


:grr:

[BR_Parkway]

24. What would it take to over turn a veto? Are the votes there?

[slackmaster]

29. Link to Official Legislative Information page, with Senate and Assembly floor votes

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_43&sess=CUR&house=B&author=leno

Looks to me by inspection there are not anywhere near enough votes to override a veto. The split is not far from 50/50.

Many Democratic members of both houses know they would be ridden out of town on a rail by their constituents if they supported this bill.

[Zhade]

30. He's a bigot, just like everyone who opposes our equal right to marry.

NT!