'Dozens died in Syrian-Iranian chemical weapons experiment'

[cali]

Source: Jerusalem Post


By JPOST.COM STAFF

Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in a Jane's Magazine report that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were killed in a July 23 accident in Syria.

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According to the report, cited by Channel 10, the joint Syrian-Iranian team was attempting to mount a chemical warhead on a scud missile when the explosion occurred, spreading lethal chemical agents, including sarin nerve gas and VX gas.

The factory was created specifically for the purposes of altering ballistic missiles to carry chemical payloads, the magazine report claimed.

Reports of the accident were circulated at the time, however, no details were released by the Syrian government, and there were no hints of an Iranian connection.

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Read more: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411428847&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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Strange little story. Sorry I was too lazy to track down the Jane's story, but I think it's subscription only anyway.

[truebrit71]

1. And so the war-drums keep beating on...

...:eyes:

[cali]

2. It's an interesting story

Whether it's true or not, I don't know.

[ohio2007]

4. " Syria began developing chemical weapons in 1973, just before the Yom Kipper War"

Global Security.org cites the country as having one of the most advanced chemical weapons programs in the Middle East.

The war drums have been beating since the world's been turning. Funny how an event from two months ago now leaks out. Makes you wonder about what the IAF hit in Syria if the MSM wants to connect the dots

[KittyWampus]

46. Janes Defense Weekly is reliable. Though I don't subscribe and haven't read the article

this article is written from. So we don't know how close to the original Janes story this is.

[ohio2007]

3. Iran still has 600 missiles armed and ready

the joint Syrian-Iranian team was attempting to mount a chemical warhead on a scud missile when the explosion occurred, spreading lethal chemical agents, including sarin nerve gas and VX gas.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411428847&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Was that one of those North Korean Scud missiles like the ones they fired over Japan about a year ago ?

[sarcasmo]

5. More Propaganda from Israel. No different from the pre Iraq Invasion.

[Lurking Dem]

6. Jane's has a pretty

good reputation, doesn't it?

It isn't Israeli in any case.

[sarcasmo]

7. The Source is the Jerusalem Post

Which can still spew Propaganda just like the New York Times.

[Lurking Dem]

8. Read

Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in a Jane's Magazine report

[SpikeTss]

9. OMG! Imagine what would happen if IRAN used these weapons ...

... like the US military does on a regular basis in Iran's neighborhood. GOD FORBID!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1642831,00.html

The US used chemical weapons in Iraq - and then lied about it

Now we know napalm and phosphorus bombs have been dropped on Iraqis, why have the hawks failed to speak out?

[Megahurtz]

16. Hell,

the U.S. uses Depleted Uranium on the Iraqi's.
Maybe Israel will be using some of the Depleted Uranium that the U.S. gave to them,
if they haven't already:

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2004/DU-Trojan-Horse1jul04.htm

Evil hypocrites.

[Shaktimaan]

48. Are you equating sarin and vx gas

with depleted uranium ammunition? Seriously?

Despite what your link asserts, DU ammo is not illegal or banned.

In 2001, Carla del Ponte, the chief prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, said that NATO's use of depleted uranium in former Yugoslavia could be investigated as a possible war crime.<10> Louise Arbour, del Ponte's predecessor as chief prosecutor, had created a small, internal committee, made up of staff lawyers, to assess the allegation. Their findings, that were accepted and endorsed by del Ponte,<11> concluded that:

There is no specific treaty ban on the use of DU projectiles. There is a developing scientific debate and concern expressed regarding the impact of the use of such projectiles and it is possible that, in future, there will be a consensus view in international legal circles that use of such projectiles violate general principles of the law applicable to use of weapons in armed conflict. No such consensus exists at present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

I don't know who you're referring to as evil and hypocritical, but assuming it is Israel, I'd like to point out that everyone uses DU shells and they are not considered anywhere near as hideous as sarin, the use of which is a war crime. A serious fucking war crime too, despite the wild accusations that get tossed around here the US and Israel don't engage in behaviour like this. The Iraqis, unfortuantely, have in the past. If you honestly compare the battlefield ethics of Israel with a nation like Iran or Iraq you will discover that there is a vast chasm between them. Israel does not use mustard gas on anyone, nor do they use groups of children to clear minefields equipped with nothing but their feet, a heavy dose of religious indoctrination and a cheap plastic key to open the gates of heaven.

[daleo]

10. "According to the report, cited by Channel 10"

I think the Jerusalem Post should have cited the report directly. It is natural to wonder how many qualifiers have been stripped off of a story when a secondary source is being cited.

[sarcasmo]

15. The Source on the Post says Jerusalem post,.

On Edit: I did read it and the Post Reference's Janes. I still call it Propaganda, it's the same Saber Rattling the United States used prior to the Iraq War.

[cali]

20. I hate to break this to you but it could

be both true and propaganda. I haven't a clue as to whether it's true or not, but I think one can reasonably assume that true or not, it's being used as propaganda.

[The Stranger]

23. Well if you admit it may be pro-war propaganda, and you claim to be against another illegal war,

then please help me to understand, why would you post this?

[cali]

28. Because the whole propaganda thing heating up

is interesting. And I don't just claim to be anti-war, I am anti-war, your cute little snark not withstanding. Try not to get your panties in such a twist.

[sarcasmo]

30. I think the reply went to my D/U as well, LOL.

[The Stranger]

35. You are what you claim, I would hope. But now "my panties" are "in a twist"?

And I'm the one being "snarky"?

[sarcasmo]

29. IMHO it is pro-war propaganda, can I no longer state my opinion about Propaganda?.

It is the exact garbage that this current administration spewed prior to the Iraq War.

[leftynyc]

36. Try reading the article before spewing

the source is not the Jerusalem Post.

[Tempest]

24. Jane's is hit and miss

They got the story on Pakistan's nuclear program in the 1990s right, but completely missed the boat on the Taliban's strength in Afghanistan and on Libya's missile capabilities.

[Megahurtz]

14. Yup. n/t

[IsItJustMe]

41. Exactly what I was thinking. To many people believe what our media is telling us, about 90 % of

of what we get in our press is bull shit. Hence, the Iraq war.

[angstlessk]

11. Has ANYONE READ THE JANES REPORT??? They link two sources neither of which

is the Janes report??? Does anyone recall Janes reporting of WMD in Iraq??? LINKS PLEASE!

[Name removed]

12. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[angstlessk]

13. I git it now...they could not prove nuclear because their was no proof..NOW

it is chemecial weapons...WILL THE LIES NEVER STOP?

[Megahurtz]

17. Israel Has Their Own WMD's

is anyone gonna invade them??? And so does the U.S., is anybody gonna invade us???:sarcasm:

:crazy::dunce::dunce::crazy:

[pattmarty]

18. Well, now we know why Israel planes attacked Syria, IF IT'S TRUE

[Tempest]

22. Israel has chemical weapons

Maybe that's the source of the contamination and the reason for the Israel's bombing.

[soothsayer]

19. lol! too lazy to make up fake reports on two countries at once.

gawd they're transparent

[cali]

25. Excuse me?

If you're suggesting that I have some agenda for posting this, you're just flat wrong, and even the most cursory search of my posts would demonstrate that. Here's a thread I started today:

Hillary's pandering, enabling position
on Israel is not a good sign.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3529771&mesg_id=3529771


Not that I should have to explain myself, but just to call you on your bullshit.

[Purveyor]

32. "If you're suggesting that I have some agenda for posting this..."

Considering our exchanges last night, I can only {{{chuckle}}}.

:)

[TheWatcher]

39. People have called you on yours for years, yet still you persist.

Some of us, are not fooled.

I will give you this though. For what you are, you DO have skills.

[olddad56]

26. I think the comment was directed at the Jpost, not at you.

[JerseygirlCT]

21. You know, this could always turn out like the boy who cried wolf,

but how in the world are we supposed to take anything like this seriously these days?

[dipsydoodle]

27. A lie repeated often becomes truth

I'm not saying that it is a lie. But - the more we reiterate a complete subject line in a post like this the faster it will spread if it is infact a lie. To confirm this simply make a note to search the subject line of Cali's post in Google in a week or so - you might be surprised at how many links there are which by then convey it as being the truth whether or not it is so.

[bemildred]

31. Jane's Magazine:

http://www.glamour.com/magazine/articles/2007/08/jane

[Purveyor]

33. LOL! eom

[Scurrilous]

34. That's what I clicked on first when searching for the source.

The other Jane's is subscription only. My search ended there.

[MiniMe]

37. Well, that looks like a reliable source

:sarcasm:

[oberliner]

40. Jane's Defence Weekly is the actual source

You can read the report at their site if you are willing to subscribe.

Here's what you get for free:

Explosion aborts CW project run by Iran and Syria
A joint development programme by Iran and Syria to weaponise Syrian 'Scud B', 'Scud C' and 'Scud D' short-range ballistic missiles with chemical warheads has...
17-Sep-2007

Link: http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/index.shtml

[bemildred]

42. No shit?

I'm not willing to subscribe. They are kind of like STRATFOR, I would read it for free, but I won't pay for conventional wisdom.

[oberliner]

44. Some people seemed geniunely confused

The source is not so easy to track down.

[bemildred]

45. That's because you have to pay to read it.

Free content is always easier to track down.

[pampango]

38. I don't want it to be true, so it is just propaganda. If you would just

accuse the "other side" of something just as unfounded, I would believe it immediately. ;)

[defendandprotect]

43. And . . how many atomic weapons do Israel and the USA have . . .

Israel's weapons production is so intertwined with US weapon's production, that it is said they are almost indistinguishable --

[truthisfreedom]

47. I hope every single person with knowledge of how to modify these rockets was killed.

Just desserts, if you ask me.