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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:46 AM
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Senate bars bill to restore detainee rights
Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Senate on Wednesday voted against considering a measure to restore to Guantanamo detainees the right to challenge their detention in the U.S. courts.

The legislation needed 60 votes to be considered by lawmakers in the Senate, narrowly controlled by Democrats; it received only 56, with 43 voting against the effort to rollback a key element of President George W. Bush's war on terrorism.

The measure would have restored to foreign terrorism suspects the right of habeas corpus, Latin for "have the body," which prevents the government from locking people up without review by a court.

Congress last year revoked this right for non-U.S. citizens labeled "enemy combatants" by the government. The Bush administration said this was necessary to prevent them from attacking Americans if set free.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070919/pl_nm/usa_congress_guantanamo_dc
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:49 AM
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1. The rogue democrats who voted against this bill are
"enemy combatants" against the Constitution and the history of this country, IMO.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:49 AM
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3. Care to name those rogue democrats please? n/t
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:03 AM
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10. Just one - Lieberman the Dumbocrat
a cross between an elephant and jackass.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:05 AM
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12. He's NOT a Democrat. He's an independent.
Not ONE Dem voted wrong on this one. Not ONE.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:54 PM
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27. You DO know I was yanking your chain?
:popcorn:

Of course I know he's not a Democrat.

But he's no independent either.

That's why I call him a Dumbocrat.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:09 PM
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28. Nope!
:blush:

That'd make him a dumbopendent, though, wouldn't it? :shrug:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:09 PM
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31. Tried to make a joke involving an elephant and a donkey
Too much a a stretch. oh well....

:hi:
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:06 AM
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14. According to the Senate roll call vote, none of them. Then of course, there's Lieberman voting Yea.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:07 AM
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18. And Lieberman is a what? An Independent!
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 11:07 AM by redqueen
And please... like we ALL don't know that he's really just a repuke who votes against the fascism party on a few issues.
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SteveG Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:43 AM
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20. And five Republicans voted for it !
And should be commended for it.

Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Hagle (R-NE)
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 01:12 PM
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24. Stabenow is a Democrat
Jus' sayin'
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:11 PM
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30. They didn't say six republicans.
just sayin :)
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:00 AM
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8. I've not seen the roll call yet, however I suspect Lieberman to be the only one not to vote aye
I know he's not a Democrat, but he is in our caucus which gives us 51.

We needed 60 votes for Cloture.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:06 AM
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16. Here's the roll call
NAYs ---43
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

YEAs ---56
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00340

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:44 PM
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33. Hagel, Lugar, Sanders, Smith, Snowe and Sununu
All to be congratulated for voting for the bare minimum to keep Democracy alive.

The rest of the non-Democrats? Condemned to history.

A sad day for Democracy everywhere.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:04 AM
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34. Thanks for posting the votes. Liebermann. Jesus. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:49 AM
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2. Why not call it Habeas Corpus? And say that it was the Republicans who voted against it?
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 10:50 AM by redqueen
I hate the corporate whore media. Hate hate hate.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:53 AM
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4. Most people have no idea what Habeas Corpus is
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:57 AM
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6. God you're depressing.
;)

Kidding!


Seriously though... enough Republican voters know, and care, to make this an issue... I suspect that's why they don't come right out and say it.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:57 AM
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the difference between the ds and rs. the republicans will fight and win with 41 votes.
the democrats cant win with a majority and wouldnt use their minority power to challenge anything.

pitiful.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:08 AM
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19. Tell that to John Bolton
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:57 AM
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5. "The legislation needed 60 votes to be considered by lawmakers in the Senate"
No it didn't. It needed 60 cloture votes to withstand a filibuster.

However, it seemed to get dropped pretty quickly.

Why are we not forcing the Republicans to actually filibuster if they oppose the bill rather than just dropping the effort at the mere threat of filibuster?

...and why is it called filibuster when dems do it and when the pukes do it it's framed as "60 votes needed for consideration"?

Our media is long past the point of Pravda.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:59 AM
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7. More Pravdaness:
"Congress last year revoked this right for non-U.S. citizens labeled "enemy combatants" by the government"

Only for non-citizens, was it?
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:04 AM
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11. ...even more:
"restore to Guantanamo detainees the right to challenge their detention in the U.S. courts."

Not only framed as "non-citizens" but even more narrowly as "Guantanamo detainees"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:06 AM
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13. Gotta catapult that propoganda!
"Journalists" my ass.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:02 AM
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9. Hey Reuters, the headline should read "GOP Bars Bill to Restore Detainee Rights."
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:06 AM
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15. GOP Bars Bill to Restore HABEAS CORPUS. n/t
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:59 PM
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23. How about "Republican senators block restoration of human rights to unconvicted prisoners"?
The press really does seem like a wholly-owned subsidiary of the GOP these days.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:29 PM
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32. Again with the FN headline from Yahoo. Same with the Webb
bill. That FN Yahoo editor better hope we never cross paths. Goebbels POS.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:06 AM
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17. That's why we need a filibuster-proof Senate in '08
So let's git r done!

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:39 PM
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21. does that mean the government can still haul you into jail without rights too?
anyone could be set up to be an enemy combatant.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:46 PM
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22. bending over backwards not to say the GOP blocked it
I don't recall such creative wording when reporting on democratic filibusters, but I could be wrong.
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 01:21 PM
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25. 'Course not
Then it was something like "Democratic minority threatens to prevent vote"--the belly ache from the repukes being "We just think _______ deserves an up or down vote."

Now, I guess, not so much.

:puke:
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 01:39 PM
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26. Some headlines from the recent past
Senate Democrats Block 3 More Bush Judicial Nominees (Washington Post, Friday, July 23, 2004) www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6017-2004Jul22.html

Democrats Block Vote On Bolton (Washington Post, Tuesday, June 21, 2005)
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/20/AR2005062000402_pf.html

Democrats warned not to block Bush's judicial nominees (AP, November 17, 2006)
www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20061117-1620-judges-filibusters.html

Democrats Block a Vote on Bolton for the Second Time (NY Times, June 21, 2005)
www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/politics/21bolton.html?ex=1277006400&en=ff497d202481f119&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Roberts filibuster unlikely, 'Gang of 14' says (AP, 7/21/2005)
www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-21-roberts-filibuster_x.htm

:grr:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:10 PM
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29. Course not... the whore media strikes again!
And some idiotic pukes STILL insist it's a liberal media!

:rofl:

It must be... interesting... being that fucking mentally deficient!
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