Two arrested in noose incident near Jena, Louisiana

[krispos42]

Source: CNN.com

ALEXANDRIA, Louisiana (CNN) -- Authorities in Alexandria, Louisiana, arrested two people after nooses were seen hanging from the back of a red pickup Thursday night, the city's mayor told CNN.

I believe that we've confirmed at least one minor" and one adult were arrested, Mayor Jacques Roy said.

<snip>

The photograph was sent to CNN by Petty Officer 2nd Class Casanova Love, 26, of the U.S. Navy who is stationed in Hawaii. He's visiting his family in Alexandria.

Love said he was standing outside a club with some friends Thursday night when he saw a red pickup drive by slowly with two nooses hanging from it.

<more>



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/car.nooses/index.html

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Just wow...

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[jdlh8894]

15. Then why

Do y'all move down here? You're clogging up the roads,the school systems,want your McMansions in what used to be pristeen countryside. I'm begining to wonder if we should separate again! Just remember, there was NOT a "civil war" in this country! It was the War Between the States and it WASN'T about slavery!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. "It WASN'T about slavery!"

:rofl:

I see that those southern school systems are still putting out some quality students.

:spray:

[jdlh8894]

30. Meaning what? n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. Meaning that the idea that the Civil War wasn't about slavery...

is a silly little myth white southerners like to tell themselves so they feel better.

I suppose it's sort of like holocaust denial.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

33. read Tragedy & Hope by C. Quigley.. you might change your position

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Read the Cornerstone speech by Alexander Stephens.

...you'll probably still choose to remain wrong.

[heliarc]

51. From the Cornerstone speech

While it is true that Stephens marks slavery as the real cause for his "revolution" there is also this from his same cornerstone speech:

"Allow me briefly to allude to some of these improvements. The question of building up class interests, or fostering one branch of industry to the prejudice of another under the exercise of the revenue power, which gave us so much trouble under the old constitution, is put at rest forever under the new. We allow the imposition of no duty with a view of giving advantage to one class of persons, in any trade or business, over those of another. All, under our system, stand upon the same broad principles of perfect equality. Honest labor and enterprise are left free and unrestricted in whatever pursuit they may be engaged. This subject came well nigh causing a rupture of the old Union, under the lead of the gallant Palmetto State, which lies on our border, in 1833. This old thorn of the tariff, which was the cause of so much irritation in the old body politic, is removed forever from the new. "

Stephens does indeed display a very rousing and what appears from the record to be a well received racist position on slavery as something supported by human nature and an almost a priori consideration of whites as superior to blacks, but the motivation for this coming from a real economic standpoint is clear. The North was exacting fees and extracting the benefits of the slave economy from the Southern plantation culture. This makes the war BOTH about Slavery, AND about economy. Ending slavery is just as much an effort to cripple the South's economic power as it was a real cause that progressives of the time felt was right and just.

IMHO

[theHandpuppet]

62. Read the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

Start with Texas while you're at it. Then get back to me with your revisionist histories.
http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html#Texas

[Maribelle]

66. So, do you deny that slavery existed when the United States Constitution was framed?

Had the United States updated its constitution regarding slavery before these cessation documents were framed?

Did the cessation documents clearly state the econimic conditions of the South which the North were taking full advantage of?

I know the cessation documents were not calling the North forked-tounge hypocrites, now were they?

[theHandpuppet]

78. Do you deny that all northern states had outlawed slavery by 1804?

Do you deny that slave-holding states wanted to expand slavery into the new territories formed by the Louisiana Purchase, and were outraged by the Missouri Compromise?

Do you deny that one of the underlying reasons for the Mexican-American War was that Mexico had outlawed slavery, a vile institution southern planters wanted to expand into Texas lands in order to support their cotton crops?

And I'm sure you have an interesting rationalization for Jim Crow, too.

We could go on and on but I've found that debating a neoconfederate revisionist is pointless. Keep paddling down the River of Denial if it makes you feel better. It won't change the facts.

[Maribelle]

82. Your problem could be that you don't understand when someone such as myself ...

thinks both sides were wrong.

Both sides were a fault.

Lincoln failed to keep the union together.

There never should have been a Civil War.

The suffering and deaths were a waste of time.

I also think its high time the north stops blaming the south, and they also could take some responsibility for their poor reconstruction efforts miserably failing after they had totally destroyed the south. The United States did a better job of rebuilding Europe.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

84. "Lincoln failed to keep the union together."

Actually, I think I remember reading some where that he ended up managing to pull that one off.

"I also think its high time the north stops blaming the south"

Sure, right after they stop blaming the Japan for Pearl Harbor.

"they also could take some responsibility for their poor reconstruction efforts miserably failing after they had totally destroyed the south"

Why would they? That's another thing the South fucked up.

[0007]

88. cough cough!

[Threedifferentones]

100. What do you mean by it was fought over slavery?

If you mean northerners by and large valued black people as equal human beings and fought the war to free them, then you are entirely mistaken. Racism was quite prominent in the 19th century all over America, and most northerners had no problem with the idea of Africans being treated as property, from a moral standpoint anyway.

If you mean that northerners fought against slavery because they recognized that they would lose a lot of money if slavery was allowed in the western territories that were gaining statehood in the nineteenth century, that would be accurate, but it is an important distinction to make. Most northerners were NOT abolitionists, though northern society was much more tolerant of abolitionists, since it did not stand to lose a shit ton of wealth if slavery was abolished. So, the war was fought over slavery and its economic consequences, but not in a moral, unracist north vs. immoral, racist south sort of way.

[Maribelle]

52. Lincoln and the North entered the war to preserve the Union rather than to free the slaves

In fact, Lincoln told the South he would not free the slaves in their states if they stayed in the Union.


http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/24.htm

[Limelight]

54. You're right... the north didn't fight to free the slaves...

But the south DAMN SURE FOUGHT A WAR TO KEEP THEM!

Being black I've had history teachers try to shove this tripe down my throat since I was young. "Silly n*gger, do you really think anybody would waste their lives to give you freedom?"

They didn't say it like that as they didn't have the balls, but thats what they were saying every time they tried to feed me that bullsh*t about the war not being about slavery. Was it the entire reason? No, but seeing as the southern aristocracy only manipulated the vastly poor and uneducated population of the south to withdraw from the union when Lincoln told them they could not take their enterprises, who's profitability was built on the cheapness of slave labor, into the western territories I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that slavery was a SIGNIFICANT factor.

[Maribelle]

57. Robert E. Lee freed his slaves before the war began.

Many white southerners were against slavery, and heavily participated in the underground railroad.

But likewise, many southernes also did not doubt even for a second that many gave their lives under the thesis of freeing the slaves.

[laconicsax]

72. That must be why

Reconstruction went so smoothly...oh wait, reconstruction was marred by slave-owners not willing to give up 'their property,' the rise of the KKK, state and local governments passing black codes to deny rights to newly freed slaves. This was all capped off of course by the white southerner holding the office of President giving tacit approval of all of it.

Whether or not you want to admit that the Civil War was about slavery or that the majority of white southerners wanted to continue the oppression of Blacks, it's pretty clear that the mini-Civil War during Reconstruction wasn't really fought over anything else.

It's also pretty clear that since civil and voting rights weren't legally secured until almost 100 years following the ratification of the 14th and 15th amendments and even now, white southerners still fight it.

So, bravo for the white southerners who were against slavery and supported granting rights to Blacks. Their viewpoint was then and is now clearly the mainstream southern ideology.

[Maribelle]

83. The North destroyed the South.

Reconstruction was poor, and starvation gripped the South. Because of the death of many of their husbands, women had to scrap to find food for their children. Yes, those very same women that northern men would not let vote, would not let into medical school, would not allow to have many of the privledges of these northen white men that now ruled the south. The rise of the KKK and the racism it entailed was a direct result of the poverty that gripped all southerners, scratching in the dirt attempting to just get through the day. The KKK turned into miserable beasts that indoctrinated their children with a sickness that sill wafts in the swamps to this very day.

And tell us all, did the North care about the viewpoints of their women at this time, or did they still shut them up regarding the affairs of their government?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

85. Yeah, totally kicked butt.

"Reconstruction was poor, and starvation gripped the South."

Thanks to Southerners.

"The rise of the KKK and the racism it entailed was a direct result of the poverty that gripped all southerners"

It was a direct result of Southern views towards black people.

[Maribelle]

86. Thanks to Southerners?

Why of course, just as we should blame the Cherokee for their Nunna daul Tsuny.

[provis99]

90. The South may rise again, but the North will kick its ass again

Really, these closet neo-confederates remind me of my Mississippi grandmother, in every worst way. Thank god I moved out of the craphole that is the Deep South.

[laconicsax]

94. I see...

The slave-based economy of the South collapsed after the Southern states seceded and subsequently lost a war they started to keep their slaves, resulting in slaves being freed. The newly poor and impoverished white men resented the fact that they would have to treat the former slaves as human beings and started the KKK. The racism preceded the formation of that terrorist organization, not the reverse. The racism was not the "direct result of the poverty that gripped all southerners, scratching in the dirt attempting to just get through the day," as you put it, but the product of long standing views on personhood and where whites stand on the pecking order. The poverty and starvation only made the racists more angry. The way you put it, the South was a paradise free of racism before the evil Northern states came in and took over. That's why the South has always been at the vanguard of civil-rights issues, case in point: Mississippi ratified the 13th amendment in 1995 (no typo, it was 12 years ago).

You also point out that because those dastardly Northern white men were sexist, that's why racist attitudes still prevail in the South, as evidenced by the whole series of events that this post was originally on. I get it. It makes total sense. The South was also a paradise free sexism before the Civil War. Southern white women held many important positions in government and there were many respected Southern white women business leaders. This must be why the South led the way in women's rights, especially with the 19th amendment. That amendment was ratified in August of 1920. When did the Southern states ratify it?

Texas, June 1919
Arkansas, July 1919
Kentucky, January 1920
Tennessee, August 1920 (the state making it official)

As for the rest of the South, they got around to it later.
Virginia, February 1952
Alabama, September 1953
Florida, May 1969
South Carolina, July 1969 (Certified in 1973)
Georgia, February 1970
Louisiana, June 1979
North Carolina, May 1971
Mississippi, March 1984

While we're at it, which Southern states didn't ratify the ERA(or rescinded ratification)?
Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia

[struggle4progress]

92. Not exactly: "Inspired by his wife, Custis provided for the emancipation of his slaves in his will.

Inspired by his wife, Custis provided for the emancipation of his slaves in his will. Slaves were to be freed after financial obligations had been met. Custis set a deadline of five years from the time of his death for the slaves' emancipation. The slaves believed they had been promised their freedom immediately upon Custis' death. Robert E. Lee, who managed the estate after Custis' death, hired out some of the slaves to raise money to settle his father-in-law's debts. This caused resentment among the slaves ..."
http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/exhibits/arho/print.html

Will of George Washington Parke Custis

In the name of God, amen. I, George Washington Parke Custis, of Arlington House, in the county of Alexandria and State of Virginia, being sound in body and mind, do make and ordain this instrument of writing as my last will and testament ... And upon the legacies to my four granddaughters being paid, and my estates that are required to pay the said legacies, being clear of debts, then I give freedom to my slaves, the said slaves to be emancipated by my executors in such manner as to my executors may seem most expedient and proper, the said emancipation to be accomplished in not exceeding five years from the time of my decease ... 26th March, 1855

http://www.nathanielturner.com/willofgeorgewashingtonparkecustis.htm

".. Although he challenged it in the courts, Lee was bound to fulfill those terms and manumitted the slaves in December, 1862 .."
http://www.nps.gov/history/museum/exhibits/arho/exb/Slavery/ARHO-2831-Back-of-Bill-of-S.html

".. George Washington Parke Custis .. died after a short illness on October 10, 1857."
http://www.nps.gov/archive/arho/tour/history/bios/gwpcustis.html

So Lee didn't even actually provide manumission within the five years stipulated by the will, and he certainly didn't do so before the War, which began in 1861

[YOY]

27. Aw horse apples!

n/t

[tom_paine]

32. Wow, now that's one long-standing Bushie LIE you just repeated there

Almost like the ancient proto-template for all the Bushie Lies that have now been perfected by psychological science into something much more high-powered.

But this lie is the Big Daddy of allthe other Bushies Lies that have been told since the Bushies seceded in 1861, and were defeated in 1865 (thus ending slavery in America, coincidentally, though I am sure that's all it was :silly: ). Then they terrorized many of the Yanks who moved down there, strung up and murdered whites and blacks alike.

You know, if the Whites were...Yankee and Liberal. The more Yankee and Liberal, the more likely that a white person would be murdered in the 1870s by the Bushies, who were the KKK at that time (then the CCC and now the Republic Party mainstream).

Goddamnit, you got me going and I want to say that there are many fine and decent people in the South today, and have always been many fine and decent people down there.

This is NOT a Southern-bashing post, but a Bush-Lie debunking and bashing post, and I apologize to any Southerners who take offense. The reality is that the main Bushie supprters and Bushie HQ rest on the back and remains of the Old Confederacy, The South Will Rise Again-ers, former KKK turned CCC now committing computer fraud, theft and other felonies to steal black votes instead of physically lynching them. That is the reality and I will not apologize for reality. Enough said.

The Civil War was indeed about States' Rights, the States' Rights to make policy enslaving fellow human beings, primarily among them.

I would wonder at how you could twist that historic FACT and then say the war was not caused by the primary States' Right for which it was fought. But then again, I always wonder at how little Bushie Lies make sense. How easy it is for people suckered by them to compatrmentalize contradictory facts and eliminate the inconvenient ones.

And yet, this is a function of human history going all the way back. It is to be human, and everyone has lies, Bushie or otherwise, that we can be made to believe by repetition or appeal to region pride.

One last thing: I am NOT accusing you of being a Bushie, I am merely stating that you just repeated the Oldest Bushie Lie, as I see it, just as John Wilkes Booth was the First Freeper who Freeped Abraham Lincoln, that disgusting tax-and-spend Yankee Liberal.

[fishwax]

39. bullshit. It was about slavery.

[LanternWaste]

41. Damn secessionist's are ruining our heritage...

let's be honest-- we southerners are clogging up the roads just as much, the difference being we have confederate battle decals on our duel diesels. We take up just as much room in the school down here, the only difference being we complain about hunting rifles being banned from school premises. We have just as many McMansions, too (wait for it...), the only difference being that ours have wheels on the bottom.

This coming from someone born, raised and living in the deep south.

Damn secessionist's are ruining our heritage again...

(Ever read the Articles of Secession of the all states that committed treason? They all had one thing in common-- they all talked about slavery.)

[heliarc]

43. It was also about economics

The South was suffering the threat of a rising industrial North. Its also about cotton, and about economics. The South was economically positioned to wrest control away from the north, and the cultural economies were so different that it made for a perfect scenario for conflict. Part of that economy was Slavery of course, because it made cotton an incredibly lucrative trade... ending slavery, I'm sorry to say, was as much an economic decision to cripple white south's economic power. Historically convenient to unite this economic aim with a "rights" polemic made for dialectic resolution. In my humble opinion, two groups were able to see eye to eye... economic interests of the North and the abolitionists...

[Chomskyite]

80. And the economics were about SLAVERY

The South was about to LOSE its ability to run the table anymore in Congress, since it was obvious as of 1861 that the slave system could not work in newly admitted Western states. These Western states would elect Congressmen and Senators whose constituencies would resent any advantage given to the slave-owning minority in other states.

So in 1860-61 it was either make the stand NOW or lose all leverage slowly and be unable to make any kind of stand later. Without slavery, no economic differences sufficient to cause war would have arisen to begin with.

[heliarc]

95. Please read my post 51

The point I'm trying to make is that you can't make it only about slavery because it makes it seem like the north was morally righteous in their motivation for ending slavery. IMHO the motivation had more to do with crippling the Southern economy than it did with a moral objection to slavery. Of course there were abolitionists who became convinced that slavery was wrong and morally corrupt, but I don't think that was the whole truth of it, and a lot of people who want to believe that "it was about slavery" like a very simple argument that makes it very black and white... not so.

[ksilvas]

96. I Agree

Unfortunately in this world of slogans and
one word answers the complex issues of
our civil war seems to have been distilled to one issue, Slavery.
Morally the most important issue, yes, of course. But as we can see
now in 2007, morality and war are to very separate issues in
some americans minds. Slavery and the battle for and against wasn't about
people, it was about the economics of cheap labor. Sounds familiar.

[ProudDad]

48. You're mostly wrong -- a little right

It was about the economics of the rich folks who owned human beings being made secondary by the economics of the rich folks who merely exploited other human beings.

The rich folks who owned human beings in the South were certain that they would be deprived of their "property" and their comfortable, exploitative, colonial plantation style of life by those pesky industrialists and moralizers in the North.

So the incredibly insecure rich folks who OWNED human beings revolted against the relatively self-assured rich folks who merely exploited human beings and tried to remove themselves from the loose "union" they had joined in the late 1770s **...

And, yes, it WAS about the "state's right" to allow OWNERSHIP of other human beings clashing with the moral outrage of the hypocrites who merely exploited them.

It WAS a Civil War though, among the bloodiest in world history...

If there had been no slavery, there probably would have not been a war.

The South is STILL tainted by slavery...

The rest of the country is still tainted by slavery - and won't admit it...



** and thanks for the goddamn electoral college and bush!

[Maribelle]

53. Yankees call it "The Civil War'.

Southerns once called it "The War Between The Confederate States of America and The United States of America" and then shortened it to "The War Between the States"

Those are just titles, however. It was a civil war. Yankee text books don't care what the South called the war.

[RandomKoolzip]

93. Nor do we care that you call us "Yankees."

[FredScuttle]

68. You're right.....the Civil War was not about slavery

It was about treason to perpetuate slavery in the South.

[funkybutt]

17. Please don't bash the south

These were two teenage punks. They don't represent me!

I'm a southerner and proud of it.

[ksilvas]

97. The South will Rise Again, and Rise Progressive! n\t

[NOLALady]

56. Whoa.

Maryland is now part of the South?

[jdlh8894]

60. Ever looked at where the Mason -Dixon Line

Really is???

[redqueen]

59. ...

:(

[Chovexani]

69. ...

:popcorn: :rofl:

[SteppingRazor]

2. That's gotta be pretty much the coolest name of all time.

Casanova Love?

Awesome.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

I have to agree

I'm also glad that he was able to get pictures of this.

It's to sweep things like this under the rug when it's out there for all to see.

[frylock]

12. mclovin

[DS1]

16. Organ donor

my wife gives me shit about that all the time

[valerief]

3. Psyops? Or real people? We'll never know. nt

[DS1]

6. GAwd!

:eyes:

[Chovexani]

70. If by PsyOps

You mean the PsyOps perpetrated by ignorant ass rednecks for the last 400 years against the black brown and red, then yes.

[jdlh8894]

73. Gee Whizz!!

Not sure where to start. 400 yrs. of PsyOps,ignorant rednecks,black,brown,red, yellow,orange ,purple,green.indigo,violet,etc---- Which way do you want to go?

[Chovexani]

75. The land of proper grammar and punctuation

I'll save you a seat on the train. :hi:

[jdlh8894]

77. Sorry

I guess this southern BOY is just that eDumacated.
Now , if you have anything of substance to say, do it.

[Chovexani]

81. Okay, I'll stop being snarky for once and say something serious

People like to say the South has changed--and to be fair, progress has been made--but fundamentally it hasn't. There's been a culture of xenophobia and hatred of anything different down there from the very beginning. Yes, it was in the North too, we had our share of smallpox blankets and race riots. But it's different down South. The ignorant waving of that treasonous flag and the defense thereof (just whose heritage is it about?), the "War of Northern Aggression" horseshit, all of it contributes to a culture of fear and intolerance.

Please understand I'm not "picking on" the South. There's some beautiful country down there, and kind, generous, good people to be found. There are bad apples everywhere. There are white supremacists and Klan wannabes in all 50 states--shit, they're here in Phoenix fucking Arizona, usually Mexican baiting at immigration rallies. But the fact that this heinous incident occurred down South is proof that in some quarters down there, it's still 1950. That some Southerners are in denial about this fact speaks volumes. Black folks didn't flee to the North for no reason.

FWIW, my branch of the family tree got the fuck out of the South after Reconstruction, and I thank the gods daily that they did.

[Oddball]

99. hahahahahahahahah

game, set, MATCH!!!!!

Well Played.

:toast: :bounce: :yourock: :applause:

[BOSSHOG]

4. Pray tell what were the charges?

[funkybutt]

18. I heard something of "inciting a riot" or attempting to

Hey BOSS :hi:

[sandnsea]

5. They said this wasn't a crime

I wonder how they could arrest these people, but not the kids who started this whole thing.

[Mike Daniels]

38. Well, first of all it's a different city or town

Alexandria as opposed to Jena.

I would imagine that Alexandria's laws may be a tad different or perhaps their prosecutor/DA isn't a total numbnut like Jena's proved to be.

[NOLALady]

61. It seems that Alexandria is trying to act

responsibly rather than excuse racist bahavior.

[still_one]

50. You cannot go into a crowded theater and yell fire, when there is no fire

This could also be taken as a direct threat against Africian Americans

[rodeodance]

7. no charges were brought the first time----so I expect nothing to be done now.

[spotbird]

9. Charges alone are a small step forward

Damn these red necks are stupid.

[Baby Snooks]

11. Rednecks and...

Rednecks and Blue Dogs.

[NOLALady]

64. I don't know.

I do have the feeling that Alexandria will try and bring charges. From the Mayor's remarks, he's trying to distance himself from Jena.

[tom_paine]

8. The Bushies are straining at their leashes for the Final Solutions to be applied

What exactly they will be, no one can tell, except to say that wheatever they are, they will be "constructed" to studiously AVOID comparisons to the Nazis and other totalitarianisms that have come before BushPutinism.

But one thing is certain: THESE PARTICULAR Loyal Bushies are dreaming of a Final Solution, probably to BOTH the Liberal Problem and the N****r Problem, that more closely resembles that which they know and love, the KKK of the pre-70s South.

We must all beware, because there are millions more carrying the sickness in heir hearts in he nation than anyone suspects, ready to unleash withthe tiniest bit of approval from authority (please clik on my sigline and read the book if you wish further information, MUCH EXCELLENT information on the Bushie Pheonomena, or whatever you want to call it.

(I like Goebbels v2.0, myself)

But the natives are getting restless, as it were. The Bushies have used Nazi-style dehumanization and emotional escalation in order to create a group of zealots determined to kick down the doors of our constitutional Republic and won't let anyone stand in their way.

And even IF the intention of the Royal Bushies isn't to create an evil totalitarian state, that is very well where it may lead anyway because they are playing with fire by using these psychological strategies.

[BushOut06]

20. You might be right about that

A quick perusal of Freeperville brought up the following quotes:

"I am so tired of the failing, black race blaming their wrongs on, or justifying their wrongs by acting against, the white man"

“What crime was committed by hanging the nooses in the tree?”

"I heard that Sharpton and Jesse the were getting a cut of the Watermelon concession."

"Blacks tend to rally in favor of rap, violence, depravity, and under achievement."

"The Offspring said it best, “You gotta keep ‘em separated...”"

[kineneb]

47. Homo Dumbshitus strikes again

Homo Dumbshitus: a devolving species, genetically similar to Homo Sapiens Sapiens, but characterized by a complete lack of native intelligence. They are usually found found following leaders from the sub-species Homo Sapiens Charlatanus who find H. Dumbshitus' lack of intelligence useful.

Black race. Not.

[uncle ray]

58. the easiest way to ID a Home Dumbshitus

is to call them a Homo Dumbshitus, they will take offense at the Homo part, not the Dumbshitus part of the name.

[Enthusiast]

76. Tom, you are exactly correct............

These Bushies are precisely fascists. Make no mistake about this. They might not even recognize themselves as such but I suspect they know. History IS repeating.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. Oh wow this story just gets worse and worse

[Baby Snooks]

13. At least he was charged

At least he was charged and charged with inciting to riot although I've never heard of anyone charged with that before.

Sad reality of the South is that prejudice is considered an indication of good character by some.

[Dr.Phool]

14. Did the red pickup have signs that said,

"FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT '08"!?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[funkybutt]

19. How is that illegal when the first nooses were not? nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Oh , the first nooses were illegal.

It's just that the authorities were all racist.

[funkybutt]

22. Exactly

Seems they could still be prosecuted if enough pressure was applied. But maybe that's just wishful thinking.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. If enough pressure is applied, the authorities should lose their jobs.

And possibly face civil rights prosecutions.

[jdlh8894]

24. There was nothing "civil" about it.

A human being is laying on the ground and getting kicked ? What is so CIVIL about that?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Well, what I'm saying is...

what the fuck are you talking about?

[spotbird]

36. Do you think there is more to the story?

The six should be punished, no doubt about it. They did not attempt murder, the prosecutor escalated the charge to send a message.

If the authorities had enforced the law equally the whole situation would have been avoided. That's the point.

[Mike Daniels]

79. Alexandria is a separate city/town than Jena

and may decide to enforce their laws differently.

That said, I heard that the suspects were actually really busted on a DUI charge vs anything really dealing with the nooses.

[MidwestTransplant]

28. 2 less people posting on Free Republic for a while.

[Jokerman]

29. "Petty Officer 2nd Class Casanova Love"

Great name!

Makes me wonder what his middle name is.

[Eldritch]

101. Romeo

"Casanova Romeo Love." That's his full name.

I know, I was his college English teacher. He had a name I'll never forget. Good man. Kinda weird to hear his name spoken on national television. I was watching CNN and they had to mention his name in connection with this news story, because he took the photo, I guess.

[enki23]

34. I was living in Pineville (right by Alexandria) just over a year ago.

You could pretty accurately judge the race of a vehicle's driver by whether it had a "W. The President." sticker. I also remember seeing a truck driving around with the logo "Karl's Kustom Kutting". Somehow, I doubt the obvious acronym had escaped even the straight-outta-Deliverance asshole driving the thing.

That said, it was by no means that bad all 'round. Working at P&G in Pineville, race relations, and (so far as was obvious) equity actually seemed pretty good. I suppose that's one of the actual good points in working for a large, faceless corp. Anyway, Alexandria isn't all bad. It's just got plenty of bad in it.

[Frances]

35. Racism exists in all 4 states where I have lived:

Alabama, Massachusetts, Maryland and California.

I could tell you some sad stories about racism in each state if you asked me.

[acmavm]

40. It's still very much alive and well here in Nebraska too.

[Maribelle]

44. But the nooses have more meaning in Alabama

as well as in Jena.

Why I would imagine even a picture of witches hanging or burning would not have much effect in Massachusetts today, except perhaps for the tourist bureau in Salem.

[Chovexani]

71. You underestimate the huge Wiccan community in Mass

And I can guarantee if something like that happened, it'd be up on witchvox.com in about twenty minutes and people would be calling for their heads.

[heliarc]

46. Wow, Boston

Hear hear... Boston is easily the most racially segregated community culture I've ever experienced. Try walking around Cambridge with some friends speaking in Spanish. I was with my band playing at Harvard once... My band at the time played Nueva Cancion music ... The security at the college couldn't resist asking us what we were doing there on more than one occasion and I am CONVINCED it was because we were speaking Spanish.

[Maribelle]

55. Speaking Spanish? Harvard has students from all over the world.

What were you wearing?

[heliarc]

91. Well we didn't have a band uniform per se

But we were performing at Harvard and Nueva Cancion is sort of concert style stuff so we were pretty well dressed. I was the youngest member of the band at 20 or so, and my band mates were 30s -40s... I really don't know why these guys hassled us other than that we were speaking Spanish were a group of guys and did not look like faculty (well... one of the band members was faculty at Haverford). Harvard/Cambridge might be worldly, but its also one of the more classist places I've every been. Reeked crust of the uppers. It gave me the real heebee jeebies... and it seems that no matter where we went in Boston/cambridge --restaurant, bar, retail store-- it was a different race that was represented... no mixing whatsoever... That and we went out to eat and some Big burly baseball cap wearing moron clocked his girlfriend in the jaw and when one of my bandmates tried to intervene you should have heard the racial epithets... we were clearly not welcome in that part of town, and we felt that way everywhere except in our Boston local bandmate's Puerto Rican Neighborhood.

[G Gordon Libby]

74. Boston and Spanish?

The Spanish/Harvard thing is kind of funny-didn't Teddy Kennedy get booted out of there for cheating on a Spanish exam?

[NOLALady]

65. Right.

I have stories to tell about Colorado, California and of course my Louisiana.

[ksilvas]

98. Add to that Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Oklahoma, Tenessee, (military brat)

[Sam Ervin jret]

42. Thank God they're SO STUPID!

"LET'S GET A MESSAGE OUT TO THE WORLD," SAYS KKK idiot #1

"AH..YA..I GOT JUST THE...WAIT I..WHAT WERE WE TALKIN' ABOUT.." ASKS KKK IDIOT #2

'OUR MESSAGE," REPLIES KKK IDIOT #1

OFF THEY DRIVE.... intoxicated, carrying illegal contraband, with a minor, and a PLEASE STOP AND ARREST ME I AM A, RACIST, IDIOT WHO NEEDS TO BE PUT IN A PLACE WHERE I CAN DO NO HARM sign on their RED, CAN'T BE MISSED,trashed, "all-american", PICK_UP TRUCK.

Message received. Idiots

[NOLALady]

67. "intoxicated, carrying illegal contraband, with a minor"

You left out the shotgun and brass knockles.

[emlev]

45. Democracy Now's coverage of the protest linked here

Link

[still_one]

49. I would still like to think that those white trash that did that do not represent the majority in la

However, what this administration has done, including the "southern" strategy, tells me why the Democrats seem to lose the South. They obviously do not take the racists positions that the republican party platform has, and that includes that wonderful idiot ron paul, who believes civil rights is a state issue

[Politicub]

63. WTF is the wrong with these people?

They're probably just attention whores, but this is beyond tasteless. We have so much further to go in our country in regard to civil rights.

[kurth]

87. "If the police had not stepped in, I fear what might have happened."

The police should not have stepped in.

[superconnected]

89. I was behind a pickup truck on I5 near Lynwood, WA and he had two

nooses in the window. I didn't get what it meant and I was wondering if it was racist. That was only about a week ago.

Is this something racists are going to start doing now? I had never seen it before. Maybe an internet group is getting them started. I specifically remember a red noose and a green one. I believe it was because they were made out of that color of power cables.

Now that I remember it, it wasn't in the window, each noose was hanging down from the top of the truck to the back and centered at mid level to the back window, so the driver could see them. So each side of the back window had a noose.

Alright, I just read the article and it said at least one of those nooses was made out of an electrical cable so what I saw was a racist statement. Ewwww. Thought so.

[hayu_lol]

102. There has been much said in this thread...

about reconstruction being a failure. I suppose it was. Whose fault was that?

Lincoln remarked to the gang around him, following the end of the Civil War: "Let 'em up easy Boys."

Had Lincoln lived, instead of being shot by a southerner(or northern scallywag), reconstruction might have been a Marshall Plan for the south. Things could have been different. We will never know. Lincoln was not given the chance.