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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:04 PM
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Group May Become Conservative Version of MoveOn
Source: Associated Press

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - They raise millions of dollars, conduct provocative ad campaigns, work with a vast network of like-minded allies and have the power to frame the presidential election going forward as much as the candidates themselves.

That used to define only the liberal MoveOn.org, an organization of 3.3 million members that has raised $25 million in the past 18 months and is helping spearhead an anti-war coalition.

Now, a group of conservatives and Republicans with close ties to the White House have formed their own enterprise, Freedom's Watch, landing on the political scene with a $15 million ad campaign to defend President Bush's Iraq war strategy.

But this is just the start. Its organizers don't see themselves as the single-cause Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who aimed to sink John Kerry's presidential bid in 2004. Instead, they hope to fill what they say is a void on the right, becoming a permanent, well-financed conservative voice on social, economic and national security issues.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070928/ap_on_el_ge/outsiders_politics



"Group May Become Conservative Version of MoveOn" was what appeared on the Yahoo front page. This is from the article itself: "Outsiders aim to frame political debate"

"Outsiders?!" They have Ari bloody Fleischer and Mary Matalin heading up the project!
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:09 PM
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1. "The main difference is that MoveOn is a group of 3.3 million,"
"Freedom's Watch is a few mega millionaires."
That says it all.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:12 PM
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2. Freedom's Watch is not new, unfortunately.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:12 PM
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3. Their name should be "StayPut.com"
But really, the whole damn Whoreth Estate has been in bed with the Bushistas since Day One. I don't know why they need a "conservative version" of MoveOn.com.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:15 PM
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4. grassroots vs. astro-turf
No doubt that they can match MoveOn dollar for dollar, but they'll never get their membership numbers unless they can enroll people without their knowledge.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:25 PM
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6. They always have to have a set-aside, don't they?
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 03:25 PM by redqueen
If conservatives want to appear nuemrous, they have to set up special news channels, or special websites, or whatever... when the populace at large is involved, it's ALWAYS liberal.

Gee...

:think:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:56 PM
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15. It so funny to go to their sites because they look like ghost towns.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 07:57 PM by sfexpat2000
It's so obvious nothing is really happening there.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:05 PM
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18. Right. They may get member numbers, in terms of registered users ...
... but their funding will be nothing like MoveOn.org. You can expect most of the funding to be coming from a few organizations or people. (Can you say Scaiffe?)
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:22 PM
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5. DUH..like there aren't already dozens of "conservative versions of MoveOn.org"
Just who have the likes of Sciafe and Perry been financing all these years? Where did the SwiftBoatLiars come from? Puh-leeze! Like they have not had this kind of advocacy going on for decades...The main difference is that the dealings of MoveOn.org are above-board and information about the financing is open to perusal.
The Neocons keep all their money sources and personnel lists secret. There is nothing that MoveOn.org could do that could match what has already been done by the NeoCon's dirty tricksters.
Ask Max Cleland and John Kerry, among others, about it.
They even do it to their own..ask John McCain.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:32 PM
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7. lol . . like conservipedia and the right's "answer" to the Daily Show?
Yeah.. THOSE things always work out well....

snort
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:39 PM
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8. Ah, yes and then the media will have to parrot the right-wing millionaires for "balance"
God, I hate these people.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:53 PM
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9. With their 33 members
mostly corporate entities who each represent one million proprietary slaves.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:23 PM
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10. This ought to be good.
Do they actually think $15 million of deceptive advertising is going to go unchallenged?

Do they really think their transparent machinations are going to fool more than the usual 29% any longer?

I look forward to participating in laughing them out of existence.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:43 PM
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11. a permanent, well-financed conservative voice on social, economic and national security issues
we already have that. It's known as Mainstream Media.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:48 PM
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12. It doesn't sound like a conservative version of MoveOn
It sounds more like a warmongering version of MoveOn. What does Bush's Iraq policy have to do with conservatism?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:00 PM
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13. AS if all the "Foundations" and "Think tanks" and Corporate Controlled media were not enough.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:54 PM
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14. I thought they already had a conservative version of MoveOn, I think they call it Faux News.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:59 PM
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16. I hope everyone notices that the AP and the NYTs have now both
shilled for an organization that is obviously a WH front.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:02 PM
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17. Astroturf. They ain't grassroots. Jim Kuhnhenn is an idiot. n/t
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:16 PM
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19. WTF ? .... What of the 'Christian Coalition' ?
They started this TRASH ..... RW Radio is one big mindfuck party .....

This is ridiculous ....
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:23 PM
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20. "Freedom's Watch?" What is that, the timepiece that tells us exactly when freedom will be over?
Because the way the right handles the Constitution, freedom as we know it is headed for an untimely demise.

"Freedom's Watch" indeed.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:29 PM
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21. Oh, the self-pity thing is a huge sign...
Has anyone else noticed the victimhood cult and boundless self-pity of certain elements of the right wing? Oy. Outsiders, schmoutsiders.
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