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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:22 PM
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U.S. expert condemns Simon Wiesenthal Center's claims of Nazi loot in Irish museum
Source: Associated Press

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"An Irish museum was formally cleared Friday of claims that its founders were Nazi spies who bought art works from dealers trafficking in items stolen from Jews.

The report from U.S. expert Lynn Nicholas, published by the Royal Irish Academy following two investigations over three years, called the Simon Wiesenthal Center's allegations "unprofessional in the extreme."

Nicholas found no evidence that the late John and Gertrude Hunt — founders of one of Ireland's best-loved museums, the Hunt Museum in Limerick — did anything wrong. She did call for further research of the museum's pieces, most of which are undocumented.

Nicholas, Washington-based author of "The Rape of Europa" and other works examining the World War II art world, harshly criticized the Wiesenthal Center, the world's major Nazi-hunting pressure group, for making personally abusive claims based on threadbare evidence."


Read more: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/28/europe/EU-GEN-Ireland-Nazi-Loot.php
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:24 PM
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1. Glad to read that...
Shame it took so long to settle, but good that it's finally done.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:25 PM
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2. I recon they could claim evey piece of artwork created before WWII
that does not have perfect provenance as belonging to a German Jew before the war???
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:31 PM
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3. Uh, right. Because "they" are like that, you know.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:50 PM
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14. Sorry I never said would, or will I said could.,..any piece of artwork
that cannot be proven to belong to anyone can be claimed by German Jews. I am sure some are selfish enough to do just that...sorry Jews are not free from greed just because they are Jews. ???
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:40 PM
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4. WTF? If its undocumented, its because it was stolen by the Nazis!
She just completely destroyed her own claim! Most, if not all, undocumented artwork was undocumented because it was Nazi loot! Who is this Nicholas clown?

This bears more investigation, because Ireland was notorious for harboring Nazi war criminals after the war, and denying entry to Jewish refugees.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:48 PM
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5. Ireland was also pro-German during the war
Officialy neutral, but they helped the Nazis in a number of ways, such as lighting up their border with Northern Ireland to defeat the British blackout and help German bombers find their targets.
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:00 PM
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7. To be fair lots of Irish citizens volunteered to join the British forces
in the fight against fascism. Lets not tar the whole Irish people with the views of De Valera.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:13 PM
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9. Good point
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:44 PM
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12. I'd love to know your source for that!
Ireland did not have a blackout and it was certainly in her interests to light up in order to avoid being bombed.

Despite the lights the Germans did manage to bomb Dublin "by mistake".

*************8

One should always try and avoid smearing entire populations or racial groups whoever they may be.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:34 PM
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15. Belfast was heavily bombed as was Cardiff -- we tend to think the Germans only bombed London!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:48 PM
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6. Prove your statement
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 03:54 PM by Teaser
"Most, if not all, undocumented artwork was undocumented because it was Nazi loot."

I want numbers, accounting for every piece of undocumented artwork. You just made a hard and fast claim.

Now prove it.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:12 PM
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8. Nonsense.
Undocumented means just that: that the sales and chain of custody weren't documented. That could mean something was stolen somewhere along the way, or it could simply mean that the former owner was a shoddy record keeper.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:36 PM
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10. Please cite evidence for your claims. nt
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:39 PM
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11. Right! All undocumented art was stolen from a Jewish person. Just like
the word Holocaust only applies to Jews because you know the Nazis didn't kill any gypsies, mental patients, serbians, or anyone else for goodness sake.

:sarcasm:

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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:49 PM
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13. I think this Nicholas "clown" is one of the world's leading experts
on looted art.

"Ireland was notorious for harbouring Nazi war criminals after the war"

Surely you jest!

:crazy:

Operation paper clip ring a bell?

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:27 AM
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16. that was an ignorant and extremely disturbing comment. n/t
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