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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:10 AM
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I hate all Iranians, US aide tells MPs
Source: UK Daily Mail

Britsh MPs visiting the Pentagon to discuss America's stance on Iran and Iraq were shocked to be told by one of President Bush's senior women officials: "I hate all Iranians."

And she also accused Britain of "dismantling" the Anglo-US-led coalition in Iraq by pulling troops out of Basra too soon.

The all-party group of MPs say Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs to Defence Secretary Robert Gates, made the comments this month.

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484762&in_page_id=1770



I guess this would shock the UK MP's (Members of Parliament, like our Members of Congress).
The only thing that shocks me about this administration is the complete coverage of what they have destroyed.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:12 AM
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1. but - she is a fundy xtian bible thumper so its ok,,,,
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:41 AM
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8. I can't find any information about her religious affiliation
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:56 PM
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23. She works for the Bush Administration
What, do you think she might be Hindu?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:28 PM
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40. I knew someone with the last name of 'Cagan'
He was Jewish.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:12 AM
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45. Cagan is a Jewish name.
It's an Ashkenazic variant of Cohen.
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:22 AM
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54. self deleted - intended for another sub thread
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 10:23 AM by Robson
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:12 AM
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:17 AM
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3. No doubt Cagan is a good christian.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:40 AM
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7. What if she's not Christian?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:11 PM
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15. Well, given national statistics, there's a 75% chance she is a Christian, now add in...
the Bush administration's particular hiring practices, which, if investigated, probably violate many federal laws in themselves, and the chances of her NOT being a Christian is most likely nil.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:14 AM
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46. Probably not.
Cagan is a Jewish name.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:11 AM
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:32 AM
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4. Did she jump into a vat of Crisco just before having the picture taken????


She even looks evil.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:52 AM
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10. Or off the set of the Thriller video.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:32 PM
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30. She definitely jumped into a vat of....
U-G-L-Y! Complete with Iron Cross and leathers.




Now THAT is going to give me freaking nightmares tonight! :scared:
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:44 AM
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66. Exactly my thought! She must know a good neo-Nazi fetish apparel shop. nt
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:42 AM
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65. Another Cruella, another political mercenary.
For a second, I thought that was an Iron Cross she's wearing. It would suit a person who made a remark like that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:32 AM
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5. my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style."
Another said: "She is very forceful and some of my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style."

The MPs also saw Henry Worcester, Deputy Director of the Office of Iranian Affairs, who said he favoured talks with Iran.

The Pentagon denied Ms Cagan said she "hated" Iranians.

"She doesn't speak that way," said an official.

But when The Mail on Sunday spoke to four of the six MPs, three confirmed privately that she made the remark and one declined to comment. The other two could not be contacted.
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FooFootheSnoo Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:33 PM
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31. I saw that quote too
It made me giggle.


This woman and her attitude are disturbing.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:35 AM
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6. who is this woman?
I can't find anything about her.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:42 AM
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9. I can't either
Although her photograph IS really scary.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:51 AM
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67. Maybe a FOIA request on Project Paperclip files might turn up something. nt
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:55 AM
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11. There was a time when a story like this and a ghastly image
like hers would have to be pure satire. Sadly this isn't satire and it's all too believable. Who are these ghouls who have stolen our country?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:03 PM
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12. She looks scary; but just one note...
The Daily Mail is a very unreliable paper indeed. They are sensational, xenophobic and right-wing, and should not be taken seriously on anything. I have not so far been able to find anything about the incident on the BBC site, or the Guardian, Independent, Times or Torygraph. So they may have invented some of it to increase their sales - nothing would surprise me from them. On the other hand, nothing would surprise me from Bushie Republicans either.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:32 PM
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18. The BBC doesn't have the Bolton story up today either.
The Telegraph does however. I personally think the BBC is as infiltrated by our media. Hence their desire for the last 30 years to make Israel their number 1 news item.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:33 PM
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19. Let me clarify a mistake. I meant to post "like our media" not by our media.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:00 PM
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21. The Guardian has the Bolton story too
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 01:09 PM by LeftishBrit
www.politics.guardian.co.uk/tory2007/story/0,,2180555,00.html

Do you mean you think that the BBC is government-controlled? It isn't; though they've been a little more nervous about annoying the government since the David Kelly scandal. But I don't think the government would think they're successfully controlling the BBC! Or do you mean that you think the BBC are controlled by Israel - which would be too paranoid and indeed ugly to be worth discussing.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:54 PM
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:21 PM
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28. Not MI5 at any rate...
I think there is occasional government influence on our media; but rather little. The real problem here is IMO the reverse: the influence of certain media, run by right-wing moguls, on the voters and government. Rupert Murdoch is the best-known and probably most powerful example. But the tabloid press also has a very negative influence. The Daily Mail, which was quoted here, is our highest-circulation tabloid and is very right-wing; very xenophobic and currently, in particular, Islamophobic; very hostile to immigrants and asylum-seekers, Travellers and Gypsies; gays, single parents, and anyone who is not a conventional middle-class Little Englander. Unfortunately, they do influence, as well as reflecting public attitudes. None of this, admittedly, would explain this particular article, so it *may* be correct. On the other hand, they are also known to distort info just to be sensational and sell papers.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:36 PM
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20. I've heard similar statements before, about this source.
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 01:04 PM by ronnie624
And private 'confirmations', I take with a grain of salt.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:03 PM
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13. Deputy Assistant Secretary for The Living Dead, Order of the Iron Cross
Is it male or female?
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:11 PM
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14. SURE LOOKS TRANSGENDER TO ME
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 12:12 PM by YEBBA
THE BODY IS TOO STRESSED.

FEMALE SKIN ON MALE BONEY STRUCTURE.

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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:15 PM
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16. what the hell is she wearing?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:02 PM
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24. Michael Jackson's red leather jacket from 'Thriller" and Von Richthofen's Blue Max AND...
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 02:06 PM by Poll_Blind
...Princess Diana's diamond choker.

  I have no idea what to make of this. I can only assume these items are elements of some eldritch magic used to re-animate her corpse.

PB
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 12:23 PM
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17. Fashion tip for Ann Coulter
A thick metal bondage collar does wonders for hiding that pesky Adam's apple.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:18 PM
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22. Another picture
Yikes. I really dislike judging someone by their appearance, but she is ghastly. Looks like a total fascist.

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:03 PM
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25. It's like an even-more-skeletal Madonna. n/t
PB
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:26 PM
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26. She was created using Hitlers sperm or DNA
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FooFootheSnoo Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:36 PM
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32. Frau Cagan
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:04 PM
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34. Neeeyyyyyy!!!!


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:40 PM
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:31 AM
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63. Dupe. Sorry.
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 02:33 AM by dogfacedboy
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:32 AM
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64. It's a MAN, baby! n/t
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DiscussTed Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:27 PM
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29. Someone by that name
worked in the state dept in 1998. "Debra Cagan, director of policy and
regional affairs for Russia and the Independent States at the State
Department."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/1998/98090102_tpo.html
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micraphone Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:22 PM
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37. Another waste of skin...
... The six MPs were taken aback by the hardline approach of the Pentagon and in particular Ms Cagan, one of Mr Bush's foreign policy advisers.

... after being the project leader on Project Vinca - a fast-tracked program to clean up the former Yugoslavia's loose nuclear materials - in 2001, Debra Cagan gained the support and patronage of Richard Armitage.

Yes, that Richard Armitage. Neoconservative member of PNAC and the Council On Foreign Relations, Plame leaker, Iran-Contra plotter and board member of CACI International (Abu Graib torturers) and ChoicePoint Inc. (Florida 2000 vote spoilers and NSA data-miners).

It's a small, small world when it comes to the neocons.
http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-hate-all-iranians-us-aide-tells-brit.html
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:00 PM
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33. "It was very sobering to hear from the horse's mouth how the US sees the situation."
Rarely are those words so literal.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:43 PM
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36. That Was A Double Snorter My Friend!
:toast::loveya:
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:26 PM
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60. I've seen better looking horses
On their way to the glue factory.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:40 PM
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38. What a right-wing low-life
That wouldn't happen to be monica goodings sister would it?
:)
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:24 PM
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39. good lord. She looks like Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS
Just put a little square mustache on her upper lip, and see who she resembles. Sometimes, peoples personal appearances do have meanings: its how we project our personality to the outside world by how we dress, present ourselves, etc. And what her picture says to me is she is trying to project the image of a SS-Totenkopf death camp guard.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:43 PM
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41. Actually, she looks like Joseph Goebbels
I'm sure they'd get on just fine.

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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:04 PM
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43. or:
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 11:23 PM by kurth
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:58 PM
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42. Sweet Jesus on a trailer hitch.
This is a SENIOR employee of the STATE DEPARTMENT!?!

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. This is not the USA anymore. It's some alternate universe I just fell into or something.

WTF? OVER.
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:49 AM
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57. That was good for a laugh
:rofl:

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:06 PM
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59. We ARE In The Twilight Zone.
:wow: Or Halloween has come early this year. Either way, what a frightening evil entity wearing the most frightening garb saying a most frightening statement that I never dreamed someone running this Country would even dare say. This is not the U.S. anymore.:(

:crazy:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:55 PM
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44. I guess he hates my best friend.
I guess I hate him for that. Shifteh has decided that she will consider hating him as well, but thinks he is likely ignorant.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:24 AM
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47. Christiane Amanpour, as well?
That is telling. ...and WHO is running this country, or should I say ruining this country? How fall we have fallen.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:32 AM
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48. S/he's wearing something that looks eerily similar to an iron cross.
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 12:34 AM by truthisfreedom




What's with bushco's so-called women and their leatherwear?

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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:05 AM
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51. 'cause folks just take you more seriously when you're wearing a Red Baron costume!
Gravitas, man!

:yoiks:
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:39 AM
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52. Actually, leather rawks, but
not on these people...they ruin it. Dammit. :D

tee hee hee hee...

Todd in Cheesecurdistan
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:24 AM
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56. Too bad she isn't wearing black leather and jack boots
It would be far more appropriate for this neocon gestapo bitch.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:51 AM
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50. I think that neck collar is to hid the adam's apple...
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:09 AM
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53. I e-mailed the Nat'l Iranian/American Council...
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 10:10 AM by OneAngryDemocrat
I e-mailed the National Iranian/American Council, and asked them:

As reported in the London Daily Mail, Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs to Defence Secretary Robert Gates, made the comment, "I hate all Iranians."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484762&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow


Does the NIA Council wish to make a comment?

Del Wasso,
www.shockedandawful.com


They responded with,

Dear Del – yes, we are doing a big campaign on this within a few hours

And, in turn, I e-mailed them back:

Could you please put me at the top of the list of e-mail recipients who receive the NIA Council's response to Debra Cagan's outrageous comments? I will promptly post NIAC's statement on my website, www.shockedandawful.com.
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:23 AM
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55. She is the
daughter of Simon Bar Sinister.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bar_Sinister
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:41 PM
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58. There DOES seem to be a resemblance...



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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:30 PM
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61. I wonder if she visited Berchtesgaden
when she was in Austria? That was Herr Fuhrer's mountain retreat.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:03 PM
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62. Folks Meet Satan's Barmaid
I'm just glad this this this--- thing has been exposed.
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