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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:39 PM
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House Passes Bill on Pullout
Source: Washington Post

The House, with overwhelming, bipartisan support, voted yesterday to give the Bush administration two months to present to Congress its planning for the withdrawal of combat forces in Iraq.

The 377 to 46 vote was the first salvo of a new legislative strategy adopted by House Democratic leaders, away from partisan confrontation and toward a more incremental approach to war policy that can bring Republicans to their side. The withdrawal-planning bill had met fierce opposition this summer from ardent Iraq war foes, who scuttled an earlier vote by saying it would do nothing but give Republicans political cover for their support of President Bush's policies.

This time, amid the stirrings of a bipartisan centrist coalition on Iraq, Democratic leaders stared down the antiwar left and went forward with the vote. With Senate leaders stymied in their efforts to force a change of course in Iraq, House Democratic leaders faced a choice of whether to continue pushing firm timelines for troop withdrawals, as many liberal Democrats want, or to search for bipartisan comity, even after the Senate had failed to find it.

"Our objective is to change direction in Iraq," said House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.). "Those who want to support us in that are welcome to join us."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100202073.html
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:42 PM
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1. "to give the Bush administration two months to present to Congress its planning for the withdrawal"
Ohhh...'that'll leave a mark', eh?

/chuckle
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:30 PM
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11. Then they'll give another two
When Bush says that they can't get the report to them on time.

Pffft....I'm so sick of this congress.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:44 PM
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2. Lynn Woolsey isn't celebrating:
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:59 PM
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3. The problem is still Bush, Cheney et all
They will never back down from anything they want in regards to almost anything but most certainly the war in Iraq. Or Iran if that gets started.

My question is, let's say this passes. Okay hurrah! Then what does Congress DO if Bush/Cheney do not submit a plan? What do they do? Issue subpoenas? HA. Stop the funding. Ha. They won't do that, they've proved they won't do that.

So in the end we are all(no matter how conservative a Dem or liberal a Republican) held captive to one or two men.

That's why it's not a democracy anymore. That's why it's a dictatorship.

And one day EVEN the worthless lockstep Republicans are going to realize this and then it will be too late. They've tied themselves to the worst thing that ever happened not just to America but to their precious Republican party. That's a REAL HA. Not a sarcastic one.

Seymour Hersch summed up what Bush/Cheney feel about the future of the Republican party-he said "they don't give a rat's ass." That's right, you scum sucking Republicans,the only consolation for me is you are talking the country and the world AND your precious fucking party into hell with you. You deserve it.

No matter how much I ever get disgusted with the Democrats- my disgust for those that have enabled these madmen to ruin this country is greater. Good riddance Republican party.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:04 PM
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4. yah, yah, sure, sure....
....I'll believe it when the troops are home....
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:07 PM
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5. This is nuts! Last night the Senate gave * billions more in war/funds
borrowed from China and now the House gives him more time to kill.

These reps have no ballz. The death toll has increased to 3808.:wtf:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:09 PM
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6. After all these months this is the best they say they can do. PLUNK!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:09 PM
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7. and that headline is very deceptive!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:11 PM
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8. Obey PUTS HOLD ON BUSH’S $190 Billion WAR SUPPLEMENTAL

Forum Name Wisconsin
Topic subject Obey's strong statement about blocking further war appropriations
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x22401#22401
22401, Obey's strong statement about blocking further war appropriations
Posted by sybylla on Tue Oct-02-07 04:28 PM

emphasis mine


WWW.OBEY.HOUSE.GOV
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Ellis Brachman
Tuesday, October 2, 2007
(202) 225-3365

Obey PUTS HOLD ON BUSH’S $190 Billion WAR SUPPLEMENTAL
Calls for War Surtax so Military Families Don’t Bear Full Burden of Iraq War

WASHINGTON, D.C. – In a press conference today with Congressman John Murtha (D-PA), the Chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee and Congressman James McGovern (D-MA), the Vice Chairman of the Rules Committee, Seventh District Congressman Dave Obey (D-WI), the Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said that he will not take up President Bush’s nearly $200 billion war supplemental request this year; calling the policy behind the President’s request “a dead end policy.”

“The policy outlined by the President is being sold to the country as a plan to reduce our troop levels in Iraq, but it is quite the opposite. When you strip away the fog, it’s simply a plan to get us back six months from now to the same place we were six months ago before the surge began. It is not being undertaken because of any new determination to reduce troop levels. It is simply recognizing that we do not have enough troops to sustain the surge level. It’s a confession that the President has not a clue about how to get us out of that civil war and instead plans to punt the problem to his successor – ruining two administrations rather than just one,” Obey said. “As Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, I have no intention of reporting out a $200 billion supplemental that will give the President a blank check for an entire fiscal year and I have no intention of acquiescing in a policy that will result in draining the treasury so dry that it will result in the systematic disinvestment of America’s future.”

Obey added that he would be perfectly willing to consider the President’s supplemental request if that request were made in support of a change in policy that would do three things:

1. Establish as a goal the end of U.S. involvement in combat operations by January of 2009.

2. Ensure that troops would have adequate time at home to rest, retrain and re-equip between deployments.

3. Demonstrate a determination to engage in an intensive, broad scale diplomatic offensive involving other countries in the region.

Noting that “we need to stop pretending that this war doesn’t cost anything,” Obey also announced that Murtha, McGovern and he will be introducing a bill to create a war surtax to pay for operations in Iraq instead of passing those costs on to future generations as the President has requested.

“I’m tired of seeing that only military families are asked to sacrifice in this war; and they are asked to sacrifice again, and again, and again, so we are putting together this bill in the hope that people will stop ignoring what this war is costing American taxpayers and call the President's bluff on fiscal responsibility,” Obey said. “The President is threatening to veto our efforts to provide one-tenth the amount of money that he is spending in Iraq for investments in education, health, medical research, science, law enforcement, and other areas that are crucial to creating a stronger country and more prosperous families. If the President is really serious about combating deficit spending then we’d be happy to help him avoid shoving the costs of the war in Iraq on to our kids by providing for a war surtax.”

“If this war is important enough to fight, then it’s important enough to pay for,” Obey concluded.
# # #



When Dave Obey draws a line in the sand, he does it with style.

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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:14 PM
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9. Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.
As we talk, more die. All B* does, is talk. Now they're the same. And that and a dollar gets us a ride on the bus.

How many times will both B* and the dems try to tell us they're doing something while they don't do anything?

This "new strategy" is just like the "New Iraq strategy".

More of the same.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:19 PM
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10. He's had years
why doesn't he have a plan NOW! Give him to next week at the most. They are running the clock, giving * an out.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:31 PM
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12. Tell us another on...
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:03 AM
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13. kick. Anybody know where the roll call is on this?
I saw it on Rawstory, googled it to find the roll call and came back here to DU. Sweet.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:27 AM
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14. US House calls for plan to pull forces from Iraq (With a veto-proof margin)
Edited on Wed Oct-03-07 02:55 AM by Dark
Source: Reuters

In a rare show of bipartisanship on Iraq, the U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday voted to make the Pentagon produce plans to withdraw U.S. troops -- but did not mandate the withdrawals.

Some House Democrats went much further than that vote, however and warned they would hold try to hold up President George W. Bush's latest war funding request until he agrees to a goal of ending combat operations in Iraq by the time he leaves office in early 2009.


The chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, Wisconsin Democratic Rep. David Obey, said his panel would not even consider the funding request -- which Pentagon chief Robert Gates says will be about $189 billion -- until early next year.

The legislation that passed the House 377-46, gathering votes from nearly as many Republicans as Democrats, would require the Pentagon to submit regular reports on withdrawal planning to Congress' defense committees.

Read more: http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=2007-10-02T231659Z_01_N02421038_RTRIDST_0_IRAQ-USA-CONGRESS-UPDATE-2.XML&rpc=92
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:27 AM
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15. EXCELLENT! The Dems are on the march! Thanks. nt
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:27 AM
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16. No prob. It's a good sign.
AND a veto proof margin.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:27 AM
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17. Nice.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:27 AM
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18. so, they allow Bush to draw up PLans for withdrawal but NO dates attached. Does
not sound good to me.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:27 AM
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19. there is a withdrawal plan with dates attached
on January 20th, 2009 Bush will WITHDRAW from the WHITEHOUSE and redeploy himself to Crawford..

The villiage gets it's idiot back
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 11:24 AM
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20. This is more significant than it seems
An incremental approach is not what I would do (I'd cut off funds for combat,) but this could give us leverage.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:02 PM
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21. Raise your hand if you think Bush will take us into Iran before he's forced to take us out of Iraq.
:hi: ...:mad:
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:36 PM
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22. Don't they know Bush* is "privileged" and does not have to report to Congress
:shrug: At least that is his story and he's sticking to it...
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