Scandal brewing at Oral Roberts U.

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Houston Chronicle/ Associated Press

Oct. 5, 2007, 1:31PM
Scandal brewing at Oral Roberts U.


By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS Associated Press Writer
© 2007 The Associated Press

TULSA, Okla. — Twenty years ago, televangelist Oral Roberts said he was reading a spy novel when God appeared to him and told him to raise $8 million for Roberts' university, or else he would be "called home."

Now, his son, Oral Roberts University President Richard Roberts, says God is speaking again, telling him to deny lurid allegations in a lawsuit that threatens to engulf this 44-year-old Bible Belt college in scandal.

Richard Roberts is accused of illegal involvement in a local political campaign and lavish spending at donors' expense, including numerous home remodeling projects, use of the university jet for his daughter's senior trip to the Bahamas, and a red Mercedes convertible and a Lexus SUV for his wife, Lindsay.

She is accused of dropping tens of thousands of dollars on clothes, awarding nonacademic scholarships to friends of her children and sending scores of text messages on university-issued cell phones to people described in the lawsuit as "underage males."



Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5191489.html

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(My bolding)

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. The whole thing is Oral alright.

[The Wizard]

80. Just wait until

Uncle Anal gets called to testify.

[roguevalley]

114. moral oral is about to get spanked.

[trusty elf]

134. Rectal, I'd say

[AlCzervik]

2. Yay!!!! more details-----

It details dozens of alleged instances of misconduct. Among them:

_ A longtime maintenance employee was fired so that an underage male friend of Mrs. Roberts could have his position.

_ Mrs. Roberts frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to "underage males who had been provided phones at university expense."

_ The university jet was used to take one daughter and several friends on a senior trip to Orlando, Fla., and the Bahamas. The $29,411 trip was billed to the ministry as an "evangelistic function of the president."

_ Mrs. Roberts spent more than $39,000 at one Chico's clothing store alone in less than a year, and had other accounts in Texas and California. She also repeatedly said, "As long as I wear it once on TV, we can charge it off." The document cites inconsistencies in clothing purchases and actual usage on TV.

_ Mrs. Roberts was given a white Lexus SUV and a red Mercedes convertible by ministry donors.

_ University and ministry employees are regularly summoned to the Roberts' home to do the daughters' homework.

_ The university and ministry maintain a stable of horses for exclusive use by the Roberts' children.

_ The Roberts' home has been remodeled 11 times in the past 14 years.

[scarface2004]

4. its time god....call him home, we don't want..

his sorry ass here anymore!!

[TwilightGardener]

9. Theirs is clearly an Extortionist God.

[Wise Doubter]

73. Ya, so don`t piss him off !!

:eyes:


send me money, send me green - Heaven you will meet.
make a contribution - And you`ll get a better seat.











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[BR_Parkway]

141. Oh no, leave him here to see the shambles what he created is

coming to. How many lives did he have to ruin to get there? How many widows bilked? How many gays persecuted or thrown out of their families lives?

Stick around Oral, this is just getting good.

[northernsoul]

6. It's hard to be too sympathetic to people guillable enough

to let themselves be ripped off by these charlatans.

[AlCzervik]

7. indeed. I love this story so much!

[progressoid]

44. Yep

Wonder if enrollment will drop next year.

They can just weep through a confession and blame Satan. I'm sure the flock will accept that.

[Counciltucky]

93. Not to mention blaming the "godless liberal media" ...

... for having it out for them.

[LiberalFighter]

108. The male enrollment might increase

With the thought they might enjoy any trickle down from Lindsay.

[yardwork]

81. I was thinking the same thing.

[gaspee]

140. My thoughts exactly

Sometimes I put on the televangelists when I need a real good laugh. I mean, come on, how can people not see through these conmen?

[Judi Lynn]

8. Unbelievable! Found a family portrait. So sweeeeet! Awwwww........

And a few brilliant words from the father, a man of Gawd:
http://alumni.oru.edu/oldexcellence/summer91/pages/perspective.html

[TwilightGardener]

10. WTF is up with the big weird yoke-collars on those girls' dresses??

Is that some kind of modesty signal I wasn't aware of?

[Quantess]

23. Looks like circa 1988.

Shoulder pads, big hair. The actual year it was taken all depends on how "in style" they were.

[TwilightGardener]

32. Yep, I agree, looks like the 80's, but then, why are the kids still getting

their homework done? They'd be too old by now for that!

On edit--I guess they could be college-age...never mind.

[Quantess]

50. That, or, they were stuck in a fashion time warp!

I only said it looked like 1988 fashion! :evilgrin:
Conservatives are well known for their outdated fashion looks.

[Judi Lynn]

26. I think they are updated Pilgrim's dressies!

Here's a couple of Pilgrims' costumes:


Or, maybe it has something to do with getting their hair cut!

[Sequoia]

69. OMG, stop it. No laughing at work allowed!

[NanceGreggs]

106. No, the local veterinarian put those on the girls ...

... to keep them from biting themselves during flea season.

Edited to add: This whole story is just SOOOOOOO delicious!!!

[CurtEastPoint]

115. Sister Bertrille

[KansDem]

179. It's no wonder we are at where we are today...

Look at what we watched during the 1950s, 1960s, & 1970s...

Just a sample off the top of my head
1950s
"Father Knows Best"
"Ozzie and Harriet"
"Leave It to Beaver" (my personal favorite)

1960s
"F Troop"
"Munsters"
"Gilligan's Island"
"Adams Family"
"My Mother the Car"
"Me and the Chimp"
"Beverly Hillbillies"
"Camp Runamuck"
"Hank"
"Hogan's Heroes"
"Flying Nun"

1970s
...pick your "favorite" 1970s program; I stopped watching TeeVee about then, but I do remember some stupid, grating half-hour sitcoms.

And don't forget the one-hour crime dramas when a suspect's "rights" got in the way of a "righteous bust." I remember show after show when we would be witness to a crime being committed, then due to a "technicality," the perp got off--albeit only until the last few minutes of the show when he was finally captured. But the whole time the cops would be saying sarcastically "We would have got him off the streets, but his rights were violated! :eyes:

But let's face it, we watched a lot of crap during those decades...A LOT OF CRAP!!! A few good shows, but still...A LOT OF CRAP!!! It's no wonder we're a nation of ignorant couch-potatoes who grew complacent and allowed the likes of the "Reagan Revolution" to happen.

Watch the stuff today and one tends to cringe, knowing that was our entertainment then. And it dominated just about every American family's evening for several decades.

It's no wonder we are at where we are today...

:rant:

[MilesColtrane]

137. Looks like those weird collars they put on animals to keep them from contacting their own genitals.

[Arugula Latte]

161. They're Evangenitals.

*rimshot*

(I wish I could take credit for coining that word...)

[rusty quoin]

11. The wife kind of looks like the dean's wife in "Animal House"

[tblue37]

18. I think this photo makes her look more like Delta Burke. n/t

[yellowcanine]

19. Come on Judi! That's GAWD-DUH Two syllables.

That is the official Fundy pronunciation of God.

[Judi Lynn]

30. Holy smokes! You're right! I have sinned!

Thanks for setting me straight!

[yellowcanine]

40. Oh GAWD-DUH, that color pic of Jimmy blubbering is enough to make me puke on the keyboard.

That was some melodrama right there that old Jimmy "Whoremonger" Swaggert inflicted on us.

[Judi Lynn]

42. He proved to us life is too short for self-respect! Who needs it? n/t

[AlCzervik]

21. "Haha, all your tax exempts dollars r belong to us!"

[progressoid]

31. He is truly blessed! Except...

who will run the school when he is gone? He doesn't have any sons to take over!! :shrug:

[northzax]

38. surely one of his daughters

will marry a good Christian man ready to take over.

[progressoid]

41. Ah, yes.

And the patriarchal circle of life goes on.

[northzax]

43. well, frankly, if God wanted one of them to be in charge

he would have made them men. i fail to see why this is so complicated for people to understand.

[LiberalFighter]

112. She will become a man to carry on the name.

[kanrok]

48. A little known brother of his:

Anal Roberts.

[awoke_in_2003]

78. Well he sure is better

then his cousin, Warm Carl Roberts.

[KansDem]

46. Quick, someone! Get me my insulin!

My numbers just shot up!...Big time!

[IntravenousDemilo]

62. Ah, the Romanovs! But where's the Czarevich? Off somewhere with Rasputin, probably. n/m

[LiberalFighter]

109. Lindsay is showing off her fashion talents

[OKNancy]

157. That picture is 15 years old, at least

I taught those rotten girls dancing, but Lindsey didn't like my school because I didn't kowtow to her and my clients weren't "high class" enough for her.

I posted about this lawsuit in the Oklahoma forum a few days ago.

[Judi Lynn]

180. If you go public with what you know about her, she may be calling you between 1:00 & 3:00 am

to give you a piece of her mind, if she can't scare up any underaged boys to instruct in the ways of the Lord, or something else!

I didn't know these people allowed dancing in their world. What a shock.

[Sequoia]

68. You didn't mention the homework stuff.

Boy, I could sure use some help there!!

[aquart]

84. I can't wait to see those good Christians justify this.

POPCORN!

[AlCzervik]

92. well the good ones won't, they'll be as disgusted as we are.

the faux ones will be making excuses.

[gtar100]

128. The faux ones are they with a holy invested interest

in the divine financial success of the sacred grounds of the school.

Bless them all that the truth will set them free.

[aquart]

136. Mea culpa. Meant to put "Christians" in quotes.

[Cassandra]

143. How can anyone spend...

$39,000 at Chico's? I keep trying to buy even one thing there but it all seems too tasteless to me (and I'm not a particularly conservative dresser).

That said, the more authoritarian followers of these scum will probably defend them to the death.

[Joanne98]

158. YEAH! A conservative woman pervert scandal! FINALLY!

[krispos42]

3. Wow....

Blatant!

Oh, please please please let me see Richard Roberts in prison orange!!!

:popcorn:

[TwilightGardener]

5. Jesus, this is so rich with material, you couldn't make this shit up.

"Underage males"!!! Forcing employees to do their kids' homework! BWAHHHH!

[aquart]

So how many studios are bidding for the movie rights?

[Gin]

144. wonder what the "Homework" was.

g

[Skittles]

148. LOL

"A longtime maintenance employee was fired so that an underage male friend of Mrs. Roberts could have his position."

Missionary position?

[Froward69]

12. Ummm AMEN

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. :popcorn: :rofl: :popcorn: :rofl:

[AndyA]

13. I live little more than a mile away from ORU.

And let me tell you, something about this whole thing stinks.

Lindsay Roberts, Richard Roberts' wife, has TWO cars, a white Lexus SUV and a red Mercedes Convertible. I guess God told her she needed both of them. Her closet is over 2,000 square feet. Yes, her CLOSET. This is just a part of her huge bedroom suite that would make the fittings in one of Saddam's former palaces seem cheap in comparison.

The Roberts' (Richard and Lindsay) live in a gated compound near ORU, and aren't hurting for anything. Meanwhile, the university is decaying. Buildings need to be painted, trees are dying, and a lot of maintenance has been deferred.

Here are some photos of the university, which looks like something straight out of The Jetsons: http://www.flickr.com/photos/losttulsa/sets/72057594062472318/

[TwilightGardener]

27. Didn't you read the first few sentences of the original post? God has

had a history of threatening them physically, unless they submit to His demands to enrich themselves. They are only complying with God's will. Geez, lay off.

[sutz12]

45. Nice metaphor for how the Repubs are treating the USA.

:shrug:

[classof56]

63. I visited some relatives in Tulsa a few years ago.

They drove us around on a sightseeing excursion of local places of interest, including ORU. I recall the giant praying hands, not too far from a security gate (hope I'm recalling this correctly) that prevented us from cruising the campus. For some reason it was a rather spirit-disturbing experience. Hard to explain as I look back on it. Also recall that Richard's first wife wrote a book about her experiences in "the family" and had some not-so-flattering things to share. Disgusting about Richard and Lindsay's lifestyle. They really should be ashamed but I'm guessing they're not.

My spouse still talks about the time an Oral Roberts crusade (complete with healing and lots of offering plates) came to town, and he (spouse) went to the basement of the building the event took place and swears all the "to-be-healeds" were milling around waiting for the big moment to roll out in wheelchairs, whatever, so Oral could lay hands upon them and---yep, they'd BE HEALED!

I'll look at the photos you posted, but for some reason I'm thinking they're going to disturb me similar to when I was actually there.

Best to you.

[semillama]

178. Oral Roberts tried to heal my dad

It's true. My grandparents, who were holy roller types, took my dad when he was a boy to a tent revival type meeting with Oral Roberts. My dad lost the sight in his left eye when he was 8 and fooling around with one of those roller blinds, which retracted and injured his eye.

Anyway, they take him to see Oral Roberts. Roberts did his whole laying on of hands thing and praised Jebus and such.

The result, according to my dad: "I got a headache."

[Nostradammit]

126. That architect HATED circles

or arcs of any form.

Looks more like Darth Vader University.


Creeeepy...

[Judi Lynn]

133. Can't believe they expect parents to send their kids to a place so poorly maintained!

How long does it take before so many tiles fall off their steps, and get kicked around, before it started looking like this? Good grief. Their eternal "Flame of Hope" died long ago.

They need to spend a little less time "prayin'" and a little more time getting the lead out, cleaning up that campus!

http://www.gospelgrace.com.nyud.net:8090/falseprophets/oralroberts/oru_prayinghands1.jpg

[Sam Ervin jret]

151. Rotting from the inside out and it shows. Thanks for the pictures.

[Arugula Latte]

162. Jesus wants her to have a 2,000-s.f. closet.

Obviously. Sheesh. :eyes:

[LongTomH]

171. I'm a former Tulsan

Even some people who worked at ORU or 'City of Faith' made jokes about the place. Here's a good one:

One day, due to the ground settling, the 'Praying Hands' came apart. ORU officials called in a contractor to fix it. He walked up to the statue, took out his wallet, and tossed a dollar bill between the hands. They came together with a mighty clap. :evilgrin:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MnFats]

177. 2,000 sq. feet is damn near bigger than my house!

She's the Imelda Marcos of the evangelical set.

[yellowcanine]

14. Mrs. Roberts frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text

messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to "underage males who had been provided phones at university expense."


Maybe that should be Mrs. Robertson. Sounds like Mrs. Robertson Roberts is into some kinkiness involving young males.

[rusty quoin]

28. I was thinking Dean Wormer's wife in "Animal House"

[yellowcanine]

39. Oh man. You nailed it. Let the games begin.

[Richard Steele]

56. Sounds like the daughters aren't the only ones with a University-funded "stable"...

...if you knowhutImean!

[aquart]

89. I was thinking her personal kitchen garden.

You just go outside and pick what's ripe.

[shain from kane]

15. Was Axl Rose involved? n/t

[yellowcanine]

51. I don't know but maybe they should check Mrs. Roberts phone records for tms from

Ted Haggard. Can't believe he wasn't in on some of this action.

[shain from kane]

58. Axl Rose = oRAl sex.

[yellowcanine]

60. Hmm. You think Mrs. Roberts was polishing the poles of underage males?

[MADem]

74. Or maybe running an escort service?

Sample text messages:

Go C Mrk Foley (R-FL) @ hotl rm ASAP

Sen CRAIG in town--u will meet at airprt rr stall #3. Look 4 wide stance!

[Lena inRI]

95. BWHAAAAHAAAAA!

What a guffaw you just gave me. . .ya added a year to my life with those funny scenarios. . .thanks!
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[AndyA]

16. I should add: keep in mind that Lindsay is Richard's SECOND WIFE.

He dumped his first one.

D - I - V - O - R - C - E : It's the Christian thing to do, God no doubt told him to do THAT too!

[Judi Lynn]

33. Wow! You don't see THAT a lot among deep fundies! n/t

[catrose]

72. Yup. Patti Roberts Thompson

30ish years ago she was warning her husband about the dangers of this path of spending to high heavens...she might be too much of Christian to be rotfl, but I dunno.

[karlrschneider]

111. Richard's older brother Ronnie was a friend of mine...I grew up 2 blocks from

the original Roberts house just east of Lewis on 37th...he committed suicide a couple years after we got out of
high school. He was a good guy...nothing like the rest of that fucked up family.

[Blue Diadem]

174. I forgot all about that. Thanks for joggin' the old memory. n/t

[femrap]

17. Best news I've had since

Haggard was caught with a male escort....this is sooooooooooooooooo sweet.

[daleo]

20. Sounds like someone has more than just a stable of horses

"_ Mrs. Roberts frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to "underage males who had been provided phones at university expense.""

This is nice too (and illegal):

"The allegations are contained in a lawsuit filed Tuesday by three former professors. They sued ORU and Roberts, alleging they were wrongfully dismissed after reporting the school's involvement in a local political race.

Richard Roberts, according to the suit, asked a professor in 2005 to use his students and university resources to aid a county commissioner's bid for Tulsa mayor. Such involvement would violate state and federal law because of the university's nonprofit status. Up to 50 students are alleged to have worked on the campaign."

[rodeodance]

22. oops-----I hear a Jimmy Swigert moment acoming.

[Baby Snooks]

24. The wisdom of PT Barnum

"There's a sucker born every minute" A maxim quite a few preachers, along with quite a few politicians, live by.

[rodeodance]

25. "people described in the lawsuit as "underage males."--oh oh

[rocktivity]

29. Roberts said God told him: "...Anyone can get made and file a lawsuit

...whether they have a legitimate case or not..."

What God should have told him: "If their case isn't legitimate, say so. If it is, resign. You needed divine intervention to figure that out? Jesus Christ, you're dumb!"

:headbang:
rocknation

[Vinca]

34. Why doesn't God ever tell these people to walk out into traffic? nt

[FooFootheSnoo]

121. He's too busy laughing at them

He can't catch his breath long enough to say anything!!

[yellowcanine]

35. San Antonio televangelist John Hagee, a member of the ORU board of regents,

said the university's executive board "is conducting a full and thorough investigation."

Being as "Dr"* John Hagee is a practitioner of "MY prosperity" Gospel (Give me 10% of what you earn and God will bless you with wealth), this is really rich.

* No earned doctorate, but he uses it anyway to help sell books and promote himself. Actually most real Ph.D.s don't use "Dr." in front of their name except in a formal academic setting - they think the title should be reserved for MDs.

[libnnc]

49. I really, really, really hope Hagee gets his soon

I'm sick of seeing his face on the teevee :puke:

Praying for a sex scandal...:O8):

[Submariner]

116. Hagee on Bill Moyer's Journal tonight n/t

[shain from kane]

53. More on Hagee from Wikipedia.

Personal Beliefs
Hagee has denounced replacement theology, believing that Romans 9, 10 and 11 teaches that Jews continue to have favor with God by the election of grace without necessarily believing in Jesus. Mr. Hagee believes that the Bible commands Christians to be supportive of Israel and the Jewish people.

He often makes the claim that the land of Israel has never belonged to the Palestinian people. He cites the fact that the land was first called Palestine by the Romans, that there is no Palestinian language and that most Palestinians immigrated from Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, and other Arab nations shortly before 1948.

Hagee has said that Iran is a threat to Western civilization and does not believe that the "Islamofascist" mentality will ever respond favorably to diplomacy. He supports an American-Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran to take out its nuclear capability and supports the Neo-Conservative movement in the United States.

Hagee's preaching is considered relatively traditional compared to some other televangelists. He asks his congregation to stand during the reading of the Biblical text prior to his sermon, and his style is often classified as "hellfire and brimstone". Hagee, like some other evangelical ministers, condemns literature such as J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter, calling it contemporary witchcraft.

Hagee denounces abortion and stopped giving money to Israel's Hadassah hospital when they began performing abortions. He has also spoken out against homosexuality.

Hagee preaches that Russia and Islamic Nations are prophesied nations of the Antichrist, who will one day invade Israel. The Islamic Republic of Iran he cites as a shining example of how Islam is truly an enemy of Israel. In a discussion concerning Muhammad, he claims that Muhammad was a man of war and that this influence on Islam is the cause of the troubles of Jerusalem.

-----------------------
By the way, his books are everywhere.

[aquart]

98. With "friends" like this, who needs enemies?

But I continue to be charmed by the belief here at DU that if the zealot Christians would stop "supporting" Israel, the United States would be quite content to let the tiny nation be overrun by the surrounding large Arab populations and all its inhabitants murdered.

Do go on.

[ClintonTyree]

138. Oh, so everyone here at DU....

believes that zealot christians should stop supporting Israel and would "be quite content to let the tiny nation be overrun by the surrounding large Arab populations and all its inhabitants murdered". :eyes:

Just how broad IS that brush you're painting everyone with, anyway? :shrug:

[tabasco]

145. Israel has nukes.

They ain't being overrun by anybody.

[jackster]

65. and lest we all forget...

Oral Roberts was the original preacher of the prosperity gospel back in the 60's and 70's with his Seed Faith program. Anyone remember that?

[stanwyck]

172. You are so right. The PhD "Dr." is only for professional

use. Of course, now we have "Dr. Phil" and "Dr. Laura" on TV so anybody with a mail-order degree calls himself/herself "Dr." and here in the South, every fundie minister is a "Dr.".

[Wilber_Stool]

36. Is that a flag

on his lapel?

[Drifter]

37. Tax the Churches ...

Tax the Businesses owned by the churches
-Frank Zappa

Cheers
Drifter

[NoFederales]

52. Exactly! I am sooo tired of their drivel-in-your-face religiosity. nm

NoFederales

[BrklynLiberal]

125. WONDERFUL IDEA. Should have been implemented decades ago.

[yellowcanine]

47. His dad was creepy with all of his talk of GAWD-DUH speaking to him, telling him he was going to die

if he didn't raise 8 million dollars, etc. The son just sounds like a crook.

[shain from kane]

55. His father is still alive. It's that faith healing. Heal thyself.

Granville Oral Roberts (born January 24, 1918) is an American neo-Pentecostal televangelist. He is also a leader in the charismatic movement and a former faith healer.

[yellowcanine]

59. He's a GAWD-DUH DAMNED liar then. He never did raise the $8 million.

The Medical School fund went bankrupt. He should be dead.

[LaStrega]

113. yup ... that 900-foot-tall jebus fucking lied to him! n/t

[damntexdem]

54. Well, I guess that's better use of money than ...

building a 800-ft. statue of Jesus.

[flakey_foont]

57. the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree

wanker!

[gasperc]

61. ooops...more GOP sexapades

[Turbineguy]

64. And this is a scandal?

I thought that was normal behavior for fundies. My Daughter's friend belongs to a fundie church where the minister's wife wears mink coats and tools around in a red Corvette.

That was the whole idea of fundie faith. God gives you all this neat stuff. I mean, what would Jesus drive?

[Maq]

66. Convicted Female Pedophile TRUE EXAMPLE

Erik Prince the Blackwater Mercenary CEO or Owner has ties to this lady via one of his chief honchos. Women RAPING or SEXUALLY MOLESTING underage boys must be a Right Wing thing. LMAO.


Letourneau, 43, and Vili Fualaau, 22, have been in the spotlight since she was imprisoned in 1997...

...The couple first met when Mr Fualaau was in the second grade. Their relationship became sexual when he was 12 and she was a 34-year-old married mother-of-four, a teacher at a suburban elementary school.
Mrs Letourneau was pregnant with Mr Fualaau's first child when she was arrested in 1997. She pleaded guilty to second-degree child rape and was sentenced to seven years in prison, with all but six months suspended.

Within weeks of her release, she was caught having sex with Mr Fualaau in her car and ordered to serve the remainder of her sentence. She gave birth to the couple's second daughter while serving time.

SOURCE: http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Teacher-jailed-for-rape-marries-the-student-she-assaulted/2005/05/21/1116533582118.html

NOTE: The article makes no mention of her huusband or her other four kids. It is still adultry when a woman does it.

[Sequoia]

67. When I was a kid

We used to watch those Oral Robert shows with the signing family. Richard was married to another woman at that time and I guess they must've been in their early 20s. His wife later said the laying on of hands that they did was phony and she couldn't sand by and watch gullible people being deprived of their money, especially those kindly senior citizens.

[LuckyLib]

82. When I was a kid we'd occasionally come across Daddy Oral's TV show, where folks

threw their crutches down after they were healed. We'd say to my very Catholic father, "Dad, how does he do that?" And my Dad, who considered OR a complete fraud, would smile and say, "The power of suggestion, honey!"

[Sequoia]

94. I sure remember that.

His crying got on my nerves, and even as a kid being raised in a fundlemental boarding school knew that stuff was an act. Come to think of it, I remember an LP with Richard, his first wife, and some other people singing religious songs. Oral Roberts or Billy Grahmn...that was what we had to watch. Interesting enough Billy went to Bob Jones University which was too strict for the likes of Billy who went to Bob and said he was transferring to another collge and Bob yelled at him, "You'll never amount to anything!"

[sasquatch]

70. I hope for the kids sakes the Lindsay Roberts is a looker

[MADem]

71. Well, for anyone who doubts...apparently there IS a God!!! nt

[jbonkowski]

75. "evangelistic function of the president."

Best accounting phrase ever. No red flags there.

jim

[BoneDaddy]

76. Wow what a surprise

someone is using christianity to fleece their own pockets..

[eagleswing963]

77. Read Patti Roberts Book

Ashes to Gold.

Not a very gratifying account of a so called "Man of God"

BTW, she is Richard Roberts first wife.

[rateyes]

79. Surprise, fucking surprise! Whodathunkit?

I'll bet no one could have seen that one coming! :sarcasm:

[Forrest Greene]

83. Did You Know That Oral Roberts Once Owned A Record Label?

But it was a failure.

The holes in the middle of the records kept healing up.

[rateyes]

88. ROFL....

good one.

[Yavapai]

100. YOU ARE GOING TO HELL FOR THAT ONE!

I will save you a seat :toast:

[Forrest Greene]

120. Shucks, I've Had A Suite Reserved For A Long Time

Drop by.

"Hell is the place for me. For to Hell go the fine churchmen, and the fine knights, killed in the tourney or in some grand war, the brave soldiers and the gallant gentlemen. With them I will go. There go also the fair gracious ladies who have lovers two or three beside their lord. There go the gold and the silver, the sables and ermine. There go the harpers and the minstrels and the kings of the earth."

— "Aucassin And Nicolette," by way of Fritz Lieber, "The Big Time"

[Hulk]

85. This isn't news. Remember jim and tammy baker? What a farce.

These religious nutballs are all the repugs have left. They believe in the biggest of lies, they support the biggest hypocrites, and they somehow think they are going to get into heaven by being dumb ass gullible.

New for them......THEY'RE going to HELL!!

[Chovexani]

86. The article says the wife spent 30 grand at Chico's

How the fuck do you spend 30k at Chico's? :wtf:

More importantly, why are these Talibornagains so damn tacky? If I was skimming off the ministry till, I wouldn't be going to fucking Chico's. I'd high tail it to Saks. :P

[rateyes]

91. They've got to be "good stewards of God's money!"

:puke:

[Chovexani]

97. LOL!

Fleecing the flock is okay as long as you do it at a discount store!

[rateyes]

99. Now you're starting to understand this stuff....

:evilgrin:

[momster]

103. My Thoughts Exactly!

Geez, Chico's is expensive and cheap at the same time. Stretch velvet pants and strangely beaded tops. For this, little ol' ladies send money to them that they need to live?

Sometimes I think the French Revolutionaries had the right idea.

[jackster]

142. apparently you've never been in a Chico's

while it's not Saks, i'ts hardly tacky

[Chovexani]

164. I realize these things are subjective

But I know tacky when I see it, and that shit is tacky. :shrug:

[jackster]

175. now I'm sad - some of my favrite outfits come from Chico's!

I just stay away from the glitter

[KatyaR]

146. No, no, no, you don't want Saks, you want to shop at Chico's so that

you can look young, cute, and sexy for those underage boys you're texting in the middle of the night.

I just don't get what's happened to "people of faith" these days--I think they've all gone insane.

[Chovexani]

165. Well I can't begrudge her a jailbait boy harem

What Would Betty Bowers Do?

[stanwyck]

173. Exactly! It'd be damn difficult to spend $3900

at a Chicos. But $39.000? That's about 5000 pairs of elastic wasted pants along with the matching Aunt Marge embellished jackets.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

87. MAYBE this is part of

the real End Times???

How I hate a hypocrite. :grr:

[SouthLouisianaWoman]

90. The picture above of the Roberts Clan...

is definitely an old one.

[Sequoia]

104. Welcome to DU.

[Judi Lynn]

135. See what you mean! Thanks for an updated view. Whatta creepy couple. n/t

[Ignis]

96. Couldn't happen to a nicer family. (nt)

[Divine Discontent]

117. what about the Hagees? or the Parsleys? or the Olsteens?

they're 'nicer', aren't they? lol

leave Richard alone! he's a HUMAN!! had to do that, too, sorry.

[Counciltucky]

101. I want to become an evangelical preacher for the money.

Let me practice...

"Abortion is a sin! Homosexuality is a sin! BE HEALED! Now give me money and God will love you!"

[shain from kane]

102. Hell, yes. I believe in The Bible just as much as they do. n/t

[RiverStone]

105. I love it when hypocrites are caught with their pants down

particularly preachy ones...:think:

[Vidar]

107. Thank you, Judi, for this lovely present. Highly recommended.

[Judi Lynn]

122. Hey, Vidar!

[codjh9]

110. Example # 2,276,543 of fundamentalist hypocrisy!!! n/t

[jgraz]

118. Damn, I really need to start a church

So many right-wing rubes want to throw their money away.

[undeterred]

119. What do you call two homosexuals named Bob?

Oral Roberts :pals:

[Irreverend IX]

123. Ah, a true man of faith.

Whenever someone starts talking about God, I keep one eye on my wallet.

[BrklynLiberal]

124. Their self-righteous, holier-than-thou hypocrisy is at the point where it is downright expected...

These fundy, RW religio-political hacks are obviously just TOO stupid to know how to even pretend to be humble and honest folks.

[Bryn]

127. Read this: Ministry Watch

http://www.ministrywatch.com/mw2.1/pdf/MinistryWatch20_20.pdf

It tells you about Kenneth Copeland, Trinity Boarding Network, Benny Hinns, etc. racking in money. I have been trying to tell Mom not to give money to any of them, but she does anyway and thinks Devil is speaking through me!

[AllyCat]

129. Is anyone surprised? Anyone? n/t

[frog92969]

131. I am

I'm shocked that generation after generation of sorry idiots fall for this witch doctor dance. But we can see now why B*sh's approval rating isn't 1%.

[AllyCat]

168. Righte-O there frog!

And it seems to happen over and over. These people just line up and take it. I'm sure his followers will all say that God has forgiven him.

[happygoluckytoyou]

130. ANAL ROBERTS....

SEND THE BLOG TO ALL OF YOUR FAVORITE NEWSPAPERS AND TV NEWS SHOWS....

MORE IMPORTANTLY..... WRITE A JOKE ABOUT IT AND SEND IT TO LETTERMAN......

[Seabiscuit]

156. ANALORAL ROBERTS. n/t

[provis99]

132. Lindsay Roberts. Stigler's mom with dyed black hair?

Oh, man. A preacher's wife with a secret identity as a boy-chasing cougar. You can't make this shit up, can you?

[momster]

155. I Can't Blame Her Too Much

The Missionary Position gets old after a while...

(Can't believe this joke hasn't been made already....)

[Thor_MN]

167. Stifler's Mom

Stifler's Mom: I got some scotch.
Finch: Single malt?
Stifler's Mom: Aged eighteen years. The way I like it.

[flordehinojos]

139. for the record (whatever it may be woth)

there were many times when i called the Oral Roberts Prayer Line and people prayed for my needs/requests/intentions ... I think Oral Roberts himself answered that prayer line one of those times ... it sounded very much like his voice to me... though i never asked his name and he never said who it was. i never sent them any donations but they were always open to listen to my requests and pray for me. for that I am thankful. they were a comfort and a help in my times of need.

[Thor_MN]

147. Leave Lindsay Alone!! I mean it!!

[0007]

149. What a pugnacious remark, "We live in a litigious society" ...

according to God. This man is completely delusional, his spiritual superiorly has no limits.

At a chapel service this week on the 5,300-student campus known for its 60-foot-tall bronze sculpture of praying hands, Roberts said God told him: "We live in a litigious society. Anyone can get mad and file a lawsuit against another person whether they have a legitimate case or not. This lawsuit ... is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion."

San Antonio televangelist John Hagee, a member of the ORU board of regents, said the university's executive board "is conducting a full and thorough investigation."

[Stump]

150. You know...

I am a believer...and I do believe one day I'll have a whole lot of shit to account for...that being said, if these people call themselves "Christians" they should be terrified of their future. How did the faith turn into this? And more importantly, how did they get so many people to believe this is the way? As a Christian I have no problem with the ridicule these people receive as their stance is directly opposed to the teachings of Jesus...and that concludes Stumpy's rant for the weekend. :eyes:

[tanyev]

152. And still, nary a mention of it on Free Republic.

All I can find is a thread from 10/02, stating that a lawsuit was going to be filed. 11 replies, with only the last one mentioning any of the specific allegations.

[Dukkha]

153. But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation

Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.
Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.
-Luke 6:24-26

No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You can't serve both God and Mammon
-Matthew 6:24

But our country has proven again and again, you can fool some people ALL the time.

[Stump]

160. Great post...

Sorta sums it all up for me right there...

[mwb970]

154. The hypocrisy and immorality here reminds me of the bush administration.

"We have asked and asked and asked to see the finances of our school and what they're doing with our money, and we've been told no," said Cross, who is majoring in government. "Now we know why. As a student, I'm not going to stand for it any longer."

Sounds like Congress demanding documents from the White House, except of course that Congress will apparently continue to "stand for it" indefinitely.

[Joanne98]

159. Here's another picture of her....

[varun]

166. How many gardeners does she have?

And are they trimming THE bush well?

[jdadd]

163. Heh Heh Heh.....

I remember Larry Flynt's brief fling as a born-again Christian, a conversion presided over by President Carter's sister, Ruth Stapleton. The comedians started referring to him as Oral Sex.:rofl:

[pingzing58]

169. It was a matter of time until the truth about Televangelists would come to light. Power corrupts.

[ooglymoogly]

170. The GOP reeks of such hypocrisy the world is becoming a gas chamber.

Give a scam artist enough rope and he will hang himself.

[Bravo Zulu]

176. Tom Delay: "The Second Coming is What I Live For"

Tom Delay: "The Second Coming is What I Live For"
Max: How much of an inspiration is the Second Coming in your support for israel?

Tom Delay: Obviously, it's what I live for - I wish it comes tomorrow.

___________
This, coming from the former, long time speaker of the house - who many called the most powerful man in America after the president.

America is f*cked.

"I have covered the Christian right intensely for over four years. During this time, I attended dozens of Christian right conferences, regularly monitored movement publications and radio shows, and interviewed scores of its key leaders. I have never witnessed any spectacle as politically extreme, outrageous, or bizarre as the one Christians United for Israel produced last week in Washington. See for yourself."

-- Max Blumenthal

In this video clip alone, I saw Tom Delay, Joe Lieberman, and Rick Santorum.

How many others from Congress were there???

You have to watch the whole clip to truly appreciate how loopy these people are.

America is going to hell in a handbasket

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4000

[gauguin57]

181. I've been watching their TV show for years: should get emmy for best comedy.

Cuz I sit and laff my ass off at Dick and Linds. Lindsay always looks like she's "on" something -- stares blankly at Richard, with her hair all messed up ... looks like she's listing off her chair.

They'd be an absolute HOOT (if they weren't so money-grubbing and dangerous).