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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:42 AM
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Dad: Blackwater blew up son's and wife's 'skulls'
Source: CNN

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Haythem could only recognize his oldest boy from his tall and slim physique as well as what was left of his shoes. His son's head had been blown away, his body charred beyond recognition. His wife of more than 20 years was torn apart.

"Only part of her neck and jaw remained," Haythem told CNN. The rest of her was covered by a body bag.

Choking back tears, he said, "Killing them was not enough, blowing up their skulls, they burned them and disfigured them."

Haythem's wife, Mahassen, and his 20-year-old son, Ahmed, were among the 17 Iraqi civilians killed and 27 others wounded in a hail of gunfire September 16 in Baghdad.

...

All Haythem and the family know about the final moments of their loved ones is what two Iraqi police officers who witnessed the shootings have told them -- that Ahmed was shot as he was driving his car in Nusoor Square and his mother clutched him tight as he was bleeding.
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"Those who witnessed the incident say that my son's head was scattered and my wife held him and hugged him," Haythem said. "She was screaming, 'My son, my son! Help me! Help me!' "

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/16/dad.blackwater/




Ahmed and his mother, Mahassen, were killed in the September 16 shootings in Baghdad.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:54 AM
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1. eric prince and his blackwater mercenaries are war criminals. plain and simple.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:58 AM
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2. And So Are the People Who Hired Them
and the Congress that used taxpayer money to pay for their "services".
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:03 PM
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3. To The Hague With Them All!
:mad:
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:13 PM
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72. The Hague Convention outlaws dumdum bullets
The Hague Convention of 1899 outlawed the use of bullets that expand or flatten when they strike a target.

I would expect that Blackwater mercenaries use a combination of full-metal jacket "military" rounds and hunting ammunition with expanding bullets in order to get both penetration of objects such as body armor and car bodies as well as higher-energy impacts in flesh.

Of course by using expanding bullets they become unlawful combatants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum-dum
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:24 PM
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8. MURDERERS.
They may not see justice here. But they will live in fear for a justice that awaits them.

This is killing you and me. This is killing America. We had better put an end to it before it ends us.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:00 PM
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17. TERRORISTS.
That is a better word to describe Blackwater.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:33 PM
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37. BLACKWATER IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
There. I said it.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:02 PM
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43. YES!
We need to repeat that over and over. They are not mercenaries. They are terrorists for hire.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:18 PM
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59. There's probably a valid interpretation of that in international law.
Maybe not, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:19 PM
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68. And fucking how. They haven't invented adjectives to describe that yet.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:25 PM
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80. Yes it is.
I said it too and I'll keep saying it.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:53 AM
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85. Blackwater is an Xtreme Terrorist organization
not just your run-of-the-mill terror cell, but a highly-sophisticated extreme version of terrorists.

And they are paid extravagantly for it.

Blackwater meets every definition of a terrorist organization.

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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:05 AM
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86. That makes America a terrorist state. We have to kill
ourselves. Oh wait, the bush mis-administration is doing that for us.......never mind.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:30 AM
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88. Agent Mike: you may as well arrest us all, now. Thinking and speaking the truth about
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 09:23 AM by Seabiscuit
this criminal administration and their toxic mercenary war criminals must be defined as highest treason in your little pocket manual, right?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 01:15 AM
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83. black water is toxic raw sewage
water containing fecal matter and urine. It is also known as brown water, foul water, or sewage. It is distinct from greywater or sullage, the residues of washing processes.And that's exactly what this terrorist war criminal "christian" nazi group of mercinary bullies is.
Blackwater : the name fits.
For the reality of what blackwater is,these shitheads picked out the PERFECT name for themselves...
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6555012-description.html

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:23 AM
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87. Wow. So there's a means of treating this filth?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:09 AM
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92. U.S. terrorists are not new here in the U.S. - we have the terrorists-
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 09:14 AM by higher class
against Cuba and other nations in this Hemisphere and they get to live here without concern and some are honored. We are total hypocrites and find it so easy to believe lies.

This is what AN ATTITUDE OF SUPERIORITY brings - from the ignorant and greedy who have a mission to control the inferior.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 02:30 PM
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35. And tragically, how can we ever expect these war crimnals...
...to be convicted by an administration run by a war criminal?!

It is frustrating and sad beyond words. All that enable this travesty in Iraq to continue have a hand in it.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:00 PM
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49. and guess who is ultimately responsible? Yes our Commander in Chief!
Bush and cheney should be answerable to this atrocity. They are the cause of all this - hiring portable Gastapo.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:13 PM
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66. But this administration is also criminal, so Blackwater will continue to be paid from our taxes. nt
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 07:14 PM by Sarah Ibarruri
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:50 AM
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90. Delete dupe
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 08:54 AM by higher class
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:53 AM
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91. Slight correction - they are self-proclaimed Christian and politically partisan | Blackwater
mercenaries.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:04 PM
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4. It's doubtful many will finish this article without crying. What pain these idiots have inflicted
on the people unlucky enough to have been in their way when the U.S. right-wing decided to take over the world.

As the daughter said, "I only wish I could relive last month, my family around," she said. "But they are gone. What can we do? If we die, we will do so in Iraq and hopefully we will all meet in heaven."
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:10 PM
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5. Our Country Needs To Stop Being So Manly. - nt
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:37 PM
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10. Blowing away unarmed civilians from a distance is the act of a coward
We've turned into a nation of cowards under Boosh.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:29 PM
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46. these are Condi's men, Condi's cowards, Condi want 'em, Condi wants to keep them
Condi has innocent blood on her hands.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:19 AM
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93. Yes, General RIce, with her private army. Are they also on drugs? Will
she use that as her defense? No way - can't set a precedence. Best to slip it under her carpet.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:23 PM
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6. Could you imagine?
I just couldnt imagine finding myself just sitting at home
telling myself that everything would be ok and that somehow,
god willing, justice will be served.
Could anyone blame this guy, and anyone left in his family
for taking up arms against anything American.

If I put myself in this guys shoes, I know that I would
already be out in the street plotting my revenge.

Is Condi going to explain to this guy how the death of his
only love is going to somehow make the future of Iraq better
and how his sacrifice will lead to sunny days?
I think not.
Its shit like this that makes me ashamed of my country.
Thanks Georgie
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:24 PM
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7. How is this not considered terrorism?
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:51 PM
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14. No shit. Expensive terrorists for hire. n/t
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rmgarrette64 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:57 PM
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48. May I try to answer?
I know in advance this won't go over well, but I occasionally like trying to see things from the other side, and present the arguments here. I am not going to try defending Blackwater, but will instead take on the lesser question of why their actions were not terrorism.

1. Blackwater operated as a uniformed force, with a recognized chain of command. This is an important consideration, and cannot be dismissed. They can be held responsible for their conduct, as Iraq is considering expelling them (not sure on the status of that), and their contract can be terminated from the U.S. end. They can be tried for some crimes, although I know they have a fairly broad immunity granted by the U.S. - I don't know all the details. Again, they operate through legal channels, and this is the single biggest factor in saying their actions are not terroristic.

2. They were answering the call from an attack. They were responding to an alert, an attack on a State Department convoy. They had reason to believe they were going in hot. They may certainly be held responsible for their actions, but we do not normally consider shootings within a war zone to be acts of terrorism.

3. Their actions, before and since, have not been designed to maximize terror. They have not sought media attention, nor have they issued any threats to those bringing claims against them. We normally consider something to be terrorism based on what we think their intent was. Few people seem to seriously think Blackwater's actions were designed to achieve any political end by means of inducing terror or massive damage on civilian populations, and I don't think such a claim could be well defended.

So, for these reasons, I do not think a claim of terrorism is warranted.

Please understand, I think they were wrong. They can, and should, be punished for their actions. I am only making the claim that they are not terrorists, and probably should not be labeled as such.

R. Garrett
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southtpa Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:28 PM
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55. points
1. Dresden
2. I don't recall your facts. The attack was some distance away. They couldn't respond to it.
3. Again Dresden counters part of it. Media attention and issued threats are not required.
If it's done to you It's massive enough.


It's not what they did it's that they did it without reason.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:34 PM
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56. Lets take a look at all that.
1. Blackwater operated as a uniformed force, with a recognized chain of command. This is an important consideration, and cannot be dismissed. They can be held responsible for their conduct, as Iraq is considering expelling them (not sure on the status of that), and their contract can be terminated from the U.S. end. They can be tried for some crimes, although I know they have a fairly broad immunity granted by the U.S. - I don't know all the details. Again, they operate through legal channels, and this is the single biggest factor in saying their actions are not terroristic.


Who's uniform? What are their dress codes for combat areas? Who established these codes? Was it Eric, or the DOD?

Who's chain of command? Who other than the State department has the slightest ability to touch them? Bin Laden had a chain of command and agreed not to commit acts against the US while under the Taliban jurisdiction. Does that make him not a terrorist?

When have they been held accountable, ever, and by whom? They can be tried for crimes, as could have Bin Laden, had the Taliban decided to.

They operate through legal channels of Bush's making. You really feel that cover from Bushes Justice Department makes any authorized action legal?


2. They were answering the call from an attack. They were responding to an alert, an attack on a State Department convoy. They had reason to believe they were going in hot. They may certainly be held responsible for their actions, but we do not normally consider shootings within a war zone to be acts of terrorism.

Where is this attack documented? (or are you talking about 9-11?) Alert in a war zone as compared to a non-alert in a war zone? They go in hot to the camp McDonalds. They will not be held responsible. Shootings in a war zone are only acts of terrorism if they involve incoming to the occupiers, where have you been?



3. Their actions, before and since, have not been designed to maximize terror. They have not sought media attention, nor have they issued any threats to those bringing claims against them. We normally consider something to be terrorism based on what we think their intent was. Few people seem to seriously think Blackwater's actions were designed to achieve any political end by means of inducing terror or massive damage on civilian populations, and I don't think such a claim could be well defended.


Use of excessive deadly force against indigenous people in the effort to install an illegal political command over them is TERRORISM. When a force occupies and controls the media, handing out prison terms for dissenting views in print, they don't need to release their propaganda to the world, they have a captive audience.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:46 PM
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57. Please understand, from your defense of their actions I think you're just
as bad as they are regardless of all your qualifiers that you think excuses your post. These clowns, as well as every fucking American in that country are there illegally and don't have a damn moral leg to stand on. There is no justification for their actions. Not now, not ever. This country belongs to the people they are murdering. What part of that escapes you???????
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:19 PM
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77. All three of those points are wrong on the facts.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 10:13 AM
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94. May I approach it differently? This administration was getting bad
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 10:20 AM by higher class
press when they tried to have our soldiers - our kids protecting the Bremer boys and all the other invaders.

This administraton is only using our kids for the psychological effect of going to war to defend and to cut costs. If they were honest about their intentions, everyone in Iraq would be mercenaries - their private, corporate killers and protectors and operators - the ones they stole money for.

They can have their mercenaries do some other jobs. Retroactively - they may have been the ones who murdered the Berg boy.

Their presence is out of whack with protocal and permissions. Out of the nowhere - they gave themselves a State Dept Army. I don't think anyone can claim to use military rules to defend them.

Just as this same administration conducted a secret sub-government for the Iran-Contra drug, weapon, political and election campaign and to give a shove-it to COngress - this administraton is doing it all over again, but with blatant brutality and arrogance.

That is where most of us are coming from. Those mercenaries didn't get hired unless they wanted to make the money and they have the balls to kill. Some could be psychopaths and some could be on drugs. It is very difficult to make these people honorable in knowledge - no one gave the State Dept an Army. An Army with no rules.

Obviously, they have been told that they will be protected. We'll see how that turns out.

If there is good coming from evil we may have been given all the evidence necessary to see, know, acknowledge that their are rules of war - centuries old and refined in the last century. The people in this administration have broken with it all. They are pompous, arrogant, unbelievably confident and the mercenaries only take orders from them - yeah, them the ones who just say go xxxx yourself.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:29 PM
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9. Blackwater kills like Nazi SS, for effect and to instill terror and they think ultimately
...submission. I think it brings the opposite effect by motivating vengeance against all occupying troops and contractors.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:40 PM
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60. whistle
whistle

TO instill terrorism can be a two chined blade.. You can scare enought pepole to be silent, but you vil newer manage to scare all the pepole to be silent.. And as SS learned the hard way in occupied Europe under the war. when Partisans was fighting them over the whole continent when they was manageble to do it.. And even that the answer from SS was terrible, with houses and peopole killed by the tousands, many was flocking to the gerilja, the Partians to fight against the german, an specially the SS as they was seeing as their special enemy... If you know how to insteer Terror it is a "great" weapon. If you overdo it, its blowing right back on your face.. And even the SS, who wasent shy of using the whole spectrum of terror know about THAT.. And in some cases, many SS men find themself in a court, charged with crimes... They was allowed to use terror, but not to unjustely use it.. In some way even the criminal mind of the SS leadership had some "principles" to obey to..

And that is the case with Blackwater. This organization is maybe catable of scaring many iraqis to stay low, in fear of been attaced/killed. But they are doing their bid to make more and more iraqis fighting for the partisans, the geriljas the "terrorist" and the like.. For every killed iraqi its 10 who want to fight the occupation.. In some way or another..

So, so long Blackwater are staying in Iraq, and behaving like they are doing today, the more the iraqi want to fight them, and their thugs.. And they dosent se the diference between The US Army and the Blackwater... Rembember that, when mr Bush and CO are telling you that they need Blackwater in Iraq.. In 6 mounts time.. In a Years time and so on...

Mercanices should never be trusted.. They are just people who are doing it for the money.. Not for some alliance to a country or a specific goal..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:38 PM
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70. That is a very important point.
You wrote: And they dosent se the diference between The US Army and the Blackwater...

That's true. It is also true that mercenaries should never be trusted.

Your English is fine. :hi:


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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:49 PM
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11. I'm so friggin' ashamed of what our country has become or stands to endorse.
I, for one, would welcome hearing that the Bush Criminal Administration has been brought up on war crimes charges at the Hague. Hell, if that happened, I'd help storm the WH to deport the m-fers.

J
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:50 PM
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12. This needs to end NOW.
Fuck these dickless thugs. I'm calling until I've raised hell itself. I may be labelled a terrorist for this. Simple message to all congressmen/women. "We are fed up with this war-profiteering organization, and we demand the end of it's existence"!

Fuck Erik Prince. Fuck Blackwater.

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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:50 PM
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13. Eric Prince needs to be arrested and brought in for questioning.
Whatever terrorists are responsible for this need to be arrested and prosecuted.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:59 PM
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16. Yeah, he's a bonafide, real terrorist.
I'm starting to wonder if Blackwater was involved in Pat Tillman's death.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:38 PM
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39. No doubt in my mind about the Tillman thing at all. n/t
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:11 PM
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20. Instead Prince is making the rounds with 60 minutes and other interviews...
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 02:08 PM
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31. toad charlie rose had him on last night.
unbefuckinglievable
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:13 PM
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21. And all the mercs involved have to be publicly NAMED, SHAMED, prosecuted
and if America's got to have the death penalty then it should be used on them.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:56 PM
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15. It really ought to be illegal for the U.S. government to send mercenaries
into a battle zone, unless they're fully accountable under military law.
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:04 PM
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18. What are the NAMES of the Blackwater murderers?
Anybody know?

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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:23 PM
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69. pm me if you find out
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:04 PM
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19. we are scum!!!
being bullied into crimes against humanity by a psycho killer in the white house!!!
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:15 PM
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22. Their innocent blood is on
every American's hands (including mine) for not doing enough to stop Bush and his war.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 02:05 PM
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30. I'm afraid a lot of people around the world will think of us the way we think of "good Germans." nt
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Black Adder Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:46 PM
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41. More and more are starting to view y'all as bad Germans.....n/t
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:16 PM
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23. Is there no law in US occupied Iraq? Why aren't these people in Jail?
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 01:16 PM by superconnected
What is it, an all out bloodbath where Americans can kill anyone on whim?

That's what it looks like.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:16 PM
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24. Fucking hell...
:cry:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:19 PM
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25. Americans should be forced to read this story
--and the thousands of other stories like it. We should be forced to see the people that are being brutalized and murdered in cold blood in our name.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:19 PM
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26. eric prince of darkness. nt
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Inkyfuzzbottom Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:26 PM
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27. god Bless Amurka...
Freedumb is on the march! This is how we bring demoncracy to the poor brown skinned peoples...
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PianoBlack Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:40 PM
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28. Who are they
to put a price on human life!? They are getting a lot more than 8 mil per body to protect our delegates! Why are we sending mercs to do the job of our military anyway! This is WRONG! Horribly wrong!
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 02:04 PM
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29. OK, righties! Crank up the slime machine!
Has Brave Sir Malkin buzzed by this family's house yet?

They tried to smear a sick 12-year-old and we thought they could go no lower. How will they spin this one?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 02:09 PM
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32. Just read the comments @ the CNN link - there's some pretty horrendous stuff
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 02:11 PM
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33. it doesn't have to have any spin.
prince of darkness is the current media darling and whatever the neo-cons want, the neo-cons get.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 02:26 PM
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34. if these are not war crimes...please define them for me..
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:23 PM
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36. Gates & the WH. will simply wait for this story to fade while making the US. look like shit!!!
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:36 PM
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38. Where are the Joint Chiefs?
Where is Pelosi? (Well I really don't expect her to do or say a goddamn thing.) Where are the Democratic presidential candidates? Why is there this resounding, echoing SILENCE about Bush/Cheney's introduction of mercenaries? Prince testifies one afternoon before Congress and then the whole matter just disappears?!? This is a huge and scary development and everyone in a supposed "leadership" position is acting like it doesn't exist. We're talking about a private army of highly-paid S-T-O-R-M-T-R-O-O-P-E-R-S, for which the American taxpayer is being asked to foot the bill. If Putin publicly did this the screams from Washington, DC would be echoing around the world.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:04 PM
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64. JC's are probably working on a new "Operation Northwoods" --- !!! Pelos got a good working over ...
the other day from Wolfie -- !!!

But, she had no answers, really --

I think these are the current day things that the "press" should be asking the candidates about --

And, Pelosi cannot fund any more of this war -- it would be cirminal to do so.



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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:41 PM
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40. The U.S. State Department's hired Killers will be granted Asylum in the Fatherland.
Tis only the natural conclusion
for an Imperial Corporate Controlled Empire.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 03:56 PM
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42. I think of all of those movies
with the fictional evil invaders who are heartless scum. We are those evil invaders because these assholes do it in our name.

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:04 PM
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44. Oh , this is just so sad
no words, no words at all.

BTW not only Blackwater does this , the US Army had it share of massacres in Iraq , but at least in the army you can court martial the fucker, they are mostly given light sentences for crimes if committed in the US will earn them life sentence , but atleast their is some retribution ... but it seems thats not acceptable for the overpaid blackwater butcher cowboys.

I feel so angry I want to burst
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:17 PM
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45. the lowest form of american scum
take their precious guns away from them and let the Iraqis deal with them as they wish.
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 04:34 PM
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47. I never thought this could happen in my life time
For some reason when I was younger I thought that the terrible things that happened in WW2 would never be allowed to happen again.
Nothings changed has it. Evil people still get into positions where they can do these things. Eric Prince needs to be in jail NOW.
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:16 PM
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52. I also never thought I would see this in my lifetime,not after Vietnam
....I thought we had learned are lesson after 55k dead...and millions of innocent civilians in Vietnam and Cambodia.
The gates of hell are open in the middle east.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:53 PM
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61. English Lady
English Lady

Never belived that United States of America was been draged down to the waterline as this thing is been doing in many years now.. It startet with the rumors of death in prisions in Afghanistan. Then Abu Girab are coming to light, and now the Blackwater group who killed sivilians as they say fit..

Is this the United States of America I once admired, and have some plans to emigrate to?. Is this the United States of America I once belived was the most sivilizated country in the face of the world.. A country I really belived was like ourself?

This is more like Germans, in the 1930 and 1940s.. This is mutch more country that have dicatorship, and who use paramilitary forces to rule by fear on a mass of pepole who dosent dear ot oppose the government

This is Not The United States of America as I know it.. This is someting else, something verry scary, something that can burn the whole earth, if not stoped before they are destroying us all...

This is Not USA, this is not "freedom" for iraqi. This is bad, maybee like the old Iraqi regime, maybee even more worse than the old regime...

I feel so sorry, both for the Iraqi, and for all america who wil pay the price for this type of behavour.. If anyone think that USA can get off the hook someway if they just say "sorry we did something horrible wrong". They are dead wrong.. This wil cost america decades of suport, decades of willingness to suport US in other wars...

USA have lost every crediblely they had in the moral cense of the word.. They cant even try to explain to other nations how to behave after 8 year with mr Bush.. It wil take US decades just to get out of this type of thing..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:03 PM
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50. Bush and Cheney are ultimately responsible for this
the POTUS and his VICE-POTUS are ultimately responsible for this atrocity.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:04 PM
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51. We are discovering the tip of the iceberg our ship of state is
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 05:18 PM by ooglymoogly
careening into full steam...only it is not an iceberg
It is a mile high pile of the corpses of innocent men women and children and their soul's are coming back to hound us to our graves. I am so ashamed for my country.
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Bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:18 PM
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53. ...and I do not think America can ever recover from this
it is to late,are reputation is destroyed in the entire world. We now stand for destruction and mayhem we have become like are enemies
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:26 PM
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54. That is true Bo NT
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 05:35 PM by ooglymoogly
I see you are fairly new here. Welcome...If I were you I would edit your post. There are a few typo's. I make them all the time. One nice thing about DU is you have 5 or so minutes to edit after you post and hundreds of people will be reading it soooooo.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:56 PM
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62. Bo
Bo

I HOPE US can reqover from this. But it wil take a LONG time, maybe decaeds to repair and undo what 8 year with the Administration of mr Bush/Chenney have been doing..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:06 PM
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65. How would we ever begin to make reparations to Iraq -- !!!!! ?????
We've destroyed their nation, killed more than a million of their citiez -- a half million of their children -- polluted the country with depleted uranium -- destroyed their infrastructure --
and been bombing them for almost 20 years!!!!

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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 05:53 PM
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58. Who voted for this war anyway?
It's a lot harder when there are real faces attached to the Iraq casualty numbers.


How They Voted

Senate Roll Call Vote: 77(Y) - 23(N)

23 Senators voted NO: Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Chafee (R-RI), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Jeffords (I-VT), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), Wyden (D-OR).

All others voted YES.

House Roll Call Vote: 296(Y) - 133(N), with only 6 Republicans having the courage to vote No.

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Iraq_War_Resolution#How_They_Voted

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:02 PM
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63. Is it clear or not, that Blackwater money was circulating back to the GOP . . ??? ??? ???
Meanwhile, agree with all comments that these are murderers - - those in the White House are
murderers and torturers --

and this is absolutely vile and criminal ---

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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:19 PM
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67. The person responsible sits in the Oval Office.
If there is a hell, he will burn in it for eternity.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:44 PM
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71. K & R
:kick:
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:39 PM
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73. Hell would be too good
for these mercenary SCUM and their employers. Every damn one of them.

K&R for this one for sure.
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BeliQueen Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:54 PM
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74. Faces
Finally faces to go with the untold numbers.

Maybe if we just showed snap shots of all the people who are killed then maybe we can stop this.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:06 PM
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75. These last 6 years
have been a nightmare. They are the worst years of my life. Now I understand the saying "ignorance is bliss" How can so many people put up with this shit. We deserve to be annihilated. God help us, (I know there isn't a god).
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:09 PM
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76. I just want to wake up from this nightmare.
I feel sick..
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:55 PM
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78. I could not finish reading this. Murderers all of them!!!
What on earth are we doing cavorting and supporting these terrorists? God, end this war so we can try to give these people hope to rebuild some part of their lives. What a horrible thing to have happen. It was bad enough to read.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:07 PM
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79. Let me preface that I do NOT believe in the death penalty
...but if there ever was an instance where I think it should be applied, this is it.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:27 PM
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81. AHHHHHHH! jesus! n/t
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:04 AM
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82. Evil is just dogshit.
And this is evil. Better to be with the dead than in the crew who's perpetuating this sort of atrocity. After 9/11 I didn't think anybody could restore glory to the concept of Islamic martyrdom, Blackwater has just about succeeded. This is pathetic.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 04:33 AM
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84. so abhorrent!
it sounds more and more that Prince is at work for the dark prince...

THE BLACKWATER TERRORISTS NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE AND I HOPE OUR GOV'T WILL, AS THEY ARE ALREADY LOOKING INTO IT!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:38 AM
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89. What can be said about blackwater and their ruthless idiots?
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