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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:41 AM
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CIA resumes use of secret prisons
Source: UPI

CIA resumes use of secret prisons
Published: 27, 2007 at 11:22 AM

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Oct. 27 (UPI) -- The CIA has resumed its use of overseas secret prisons, The Washington Post reported Saturday.

In the last six months, five new terrorism suspects have been transferred to the U.S. base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. One of the new detainees, Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, spent months in CIA custody overseas, Pentagon officials told the Post.

On Sept. 6, 2006, the White House announced the CIA's secret prisons had been emptied for the time being and 14 al-Qaida leaders shipped to Guantanamo. There has been no official statement of what happened to nearly 30 other "ghost prisoners" held by the CIA for extended lengths of time, the Post reported.

Details of the secret prisons remain classified, though it is believed some of the prisoners were transferred secretly to their home countries and remain imprisoned, while other have simply vanished, said human rights groups and lawyers for the detainees.


Read more: http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/10/27/cia_resumes_use_of_secret_prisons/8000/
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 10:57 AM
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1. From CIA Jails, Inmates Fade Into Obscurity
VIA RawStory:

From CIA Jails, Inmates Fade Into Obscurity
Dozens of 'Ghost Prisoners' Not Publicly Accounted For

By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, October 27, 2007; A01

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- On Sept. 6, 2006, President Bush announced that the CIA's overseas secret prisons had been temporarily emptied and 14 al-Qaeda leaders taken to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. But since then, there has been no official accounting of what happened to about 30 other "ghost prisoners" who spent extended time in the custody of the CIA.

Some have been secretly transferred to their home countries, where they remain in detention and out of public view, according to interviews in Pakistan and Europe with government officials, human rights groups and lawyers for the detainees. Others have disappeared without a trace and may or may not still be under CIA control.

The bulk of the ghost prisoners were captured in Pakistan, where they scattered after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

Among them is Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, a dual citizen of Syria and Spain and an influential al-Qaeda ideologue who was last seen two years ago. On Oct. 31, 2005, the red-bearded radical with a $5 million U.S. bounty on his head arrived in the Pakistani border city of Quetta, unaware he was being followed.

More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/26/AR2007102602326_pf.html
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:00 PM
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12. this place that has been in existence since 1983
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/10/is_there_a_cia_prison_on_diego_1.html
Is there a CIA prison on Diego Garcia? | Newsblog | Guardian Unlimited

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/19/terror/main3386223.shtml?source=RSSattr=World_3386223
U.K. To Investigate CIA Prison Charge, Lawmakers To Test Claims British Territory Diego Garcia Was Site Of Detention, Torture By U.S. - CBS News


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B92144A6-B017-4C63-A367-759A99517DF9.htm
Al Jazeera English - News - 'Cia Island Jail' To Be Probed


yes three news sources have reported on this...
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:29 PM
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18. Democrats are complicit
if they don't try to stop this. The Constitution gives Congress the power to criminalize sending people to these prisons. Congress has the power to "govern and regulate the land and naval forces" and the power to "define and punish offenses against the law of nations." The Democrats are betraying us. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 amended the War Crimes Act so that the war crimes of the Bush Administration would no longer be war crimes (under U.S. law). Ted Kennedy tried to stop it. He proposed an amendment that would have specifically identified waterboarding and other Bush interrogation methods as war crimes, but James Warner stupidly claimed that the amendment was unnecessary because the language that was proposed would make these sorts of techniques criminal. He wasn't reading carefully enough. And the act was retroactive all the way back to 1997 so that many crimes committed by Bush et al. were in effect erased. The Democrats could at least reintroduce the Kennedy amendment in a new act and make that a top priority. Then nominees for Attorney General would be unable to sit there and dodge the question of whether waterboarding is illegal. If the Republicans fillibuster or Bush vetoes, this would only hurt the REPUBLICANS because most Americans want an end to these practices. So why not fight on this one? I'm sick of democrats who don't fight. It's time to fight.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:31 AM
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2. Secret prisons, torture, disappearances
And no one will ever be held to account for any of this. These stories will fade away and disappear, just like our victims.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:50 PM
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16. They came for everybody else and I stood silent... Who will stand with me when they come to take me?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:44 AM
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3. What will it take to get this stopped?. . . n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:46 AM
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5. outrage by many-----not just a few Dems in Congress
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:45 AM
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4. I find it difficult to believe they ever closed them in the first place.n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:47 AM
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6. 'emptied' (prob. just semantics_
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:57 AM
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7. Two trust problems are contained in this 'news' release -
the
Washington Post
and
this administration
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 01:25 PM
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8. RESUMES implies that they stopped!
Just like the other lies. Words matter.

-Hoot
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:45 PM
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9. Spreading democracy, eh?
Despicable.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:25 PM
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10. "Resumes" implies they ever stopped. Did they? n/t
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 04:35 PM
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11. "We don't torture".....they do
nt
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:20 PM
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13. This is a sure sign that the law of the jungle is prevailing.
How pathetic. After all of this the sleazy fucking fascist bastards just continue to torture. Fuck it ALL!
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:49 PM
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14. Why aren't the Democrats investigating this and shutting it down...
Obviously Secret Prisons cost taxpayer dollars to run... Congress controls the money... SHUT IT DOWN NOW...
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:42 PM
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19. the money is hard to control
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 06:47 PM by Vattel
but laws can be passed to shut the prisons down and to criminalize practices like waterboarding. This would be a win-win proposition for democrats. Even a fillibuster or veto will only hurt the republicans who would be forced to defend torture. It would help the democrats win in 2008 and make these practices criminal again.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 08:16 PM
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23. I know the Democrats in Congress are not leading correctly..
Are they afraid to make a decision and stick with it? They sure talk a good game but talk is no substitute for action... What are they afraid of?
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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 05:50 PM
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15. I'm shocked(NOT)..
The CIA resumes?? Did they ever stop? Do you believe anything this government tells you? We're in a dictatorship - the republic is dead.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:03 PM
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17. I find it amazing
That you have to find out from obscure news sources like this about major crimes being committed in your country's name.

The CIA does actually do good things, but stories like this turn the whole world against the US.

FSM almighty, when will people realize what's happening before there's no turning back??
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rockybelt Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 06:53 PM
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20. Ghost prisoners
Where do you suppose the mass graves will be found?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 07:01 PM
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21. Secret courts, secret trials, and secret prisons are the tools of totalitarian states
This is not the republic our Founders envisioned.

Time to overthrow the established order!
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 07:20 PM
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22. Did they ever really stop?
:shrug:
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