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45th Med Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:43 PM
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10,000 'died of hunger' in Zimbabwe
Andrew Meldrum in Pretoria
Sunday January 11, 2004
The Observer

Catholic archbishop warns of famine as journalists are held over report that Mugabe was taking a winter break

Amid claims that up to 10,000 Zimbabweans have died from malnutrition in the past year, President Robert Mugabe has been accused of raiding his country's dwindling coffers to fund an extended holiday in Asia.

The charges against Mugabe came as police yesterday arrested three senior journalists from the Zimbabwe Independent newspaper for reporting his winter break.

10,000 'died of hunger' in Zim

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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 10:56 PM
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1. Mugabe should be killed.
Getting rid of any dictator is worth something. This is a one bullet regime change. If we could have gotten rid of Saddam with one bullet, I would have supported it, but I knew we couldn't. Here we can and we should.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:19 PM
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3. Agreed
Mugabe should be taken out. Simple job. Problem is that then there would be all kinds of screaming about how he was killed by the racist West because he's African. But it's clear to any rational person that given the chance, almost all Zimbabweans would pull the trigger.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 12:14 AM
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5. The worst part is the whole world
watched as this one man destroyed his country. Many even defended him, and still do.

It will take generations to undo the harm he's done.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:38 AM
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7. Colonialism and post-colonialism have destroyed Zimbabwe.
At least land reform in Zimbabwe will cut in half, or maybe even a third the time it will take Zimbabwe to get to be a functioning, middle-class wealth creating country.

The only reason the west hates Mugabe now is because of land reform. We're all hypocrites for complaining about Mugabe now.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:56 AM
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9. But wasn't Mugabe's land reform the cause of the starvation?
I agree that the people there need land reform, but from what I've read, it was not true reform that Mugabe enacted. Instead, he gave land to his supporters regardless of their experience or will to cultivate and raise crops on it. Much land in Zimbabwe today is lying fallow and uncultivated. Zimbabwe used to be self-sustaining in agricultural goods; it even used to be a net exporter of grains and other foods to other African nations. I recall quite a few people predicting that the "reforms" Mugabe put into place would result in starvation. They were branded racists and accused of implying that black farmers were incapable of running the farms as well as white farmers.

Real land reform, where the land is given to people dedicated to working it instead of given to people based on their political leanings, would help Zimbabwe immensely. Mugabe's pseudo-reforms, however, have helped starve 10,000 people.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:16 AM
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11. I don't know the exact numbers, but I think there are something like
40,000 new title holders for land in Zimbabwe. So, Mugabe must have lots of supporters.

The land was being used for tobacco, primarily, and for things like artichokes for exports to European supermarkets, and for rhino preservation habitats. Now it's being used for maize farming and for subsistence farming.

Naturally there is going to be a transition period when the land isn't productive. But soon it's going to be used to be making Zimbabweans wealthy and fed, rather than making European bank accounts fat (which is why Bush and the media is so hard on Zimbabwe right now).

If 10,000 are starving, that sounds like a success, since there was a terrible drought last year, and since they were predicting 4 million.

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:39 AM
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12. I honestly hope you're right and I'm wrong
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:54 AM
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14. It would be great if people did a whole lot more reading, wouldn't it?
Big shortcoming when people make extreme comments about complex situations they actually don't understand.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:14 AM
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15. You said it.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 08:37 PM
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17. Yes, Robert Mugabe told me there are 40,000 new land owners
so it MUST be true. And Stalin had nothing to do with the famine in the Ukraine.

Human Rights Watch, and a number of highly reputable organizations have documented the land grab by Mugabe cronies, and the punishment of political opponents by denying them access to food.
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:48 AM
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13. yeah I suppose...
if you have a few rich people, a fewer more middle class, and lots of poor, that when you starve to death large ammounts of those poor then the middle class naturally become a larger percentage of the population.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:51 AM
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8. 10,000 'died of hunger' in Zimbabwe
conclusion: Mugabe should be killed.

Millions of people die every single year, as victims of the IMF and the Worldbank. Every single year. Whether the Worlbank nor the IMF is elected in any way. Both of them are dominated by the USA and their corporations and banks.
I wait for your conclusions now, and if you're as determind about U.S. corparations and banks, and european banks and corporations, too - as you are about Mugabe. I'm with you. Although I don't support the death penalty. Not for Mugabe, not for Clinton, not for Wesley Clark and not for Bush I and not for Bush II. Although if you ask me for Mrs. Albright I might change my opionion, 'cause for her 500.000 dead Iraquis were o.k. No I don't change my opinion about death penalty. Leave me alone with Mugabe.
Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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MrSoundAndVision Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:15 PM
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2. Well
I don't know about the one bullet strategy, but I do believe that if the American media cared about those brown Zimbabweans, then the administration would care about them. So Dennis Kucinich for President!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:28 PM
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4. ....and any one but junior!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 01:34 AM
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6. When the final step in land reform occured, critics said 4 million would..
...die.

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 02:13 AM
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10. And they very well still may
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 02:13 AM by NickB79
"The World Food Programme (WFP) cut its maize meal rations for 2.6 million Zimbabweans by half at the end of last year because of insufficient donations. Oil and pulses have been cut out altogether.

As many as six million people could need food aid in the first three months of this year, according to the independent Famine Early Warning Systems. The WFP has also warned that the food situation in urban areas is getting critical. It is facing a $111 million shortfall from a $197m international appeal it sent out in June."

There were insufficient funds to maintain enough rations for 2.6 million last year; what will happen this year when 6 million need rations to survive? They are far from being out of danger. We just may see them hit that 4 million mark.
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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:09 PM
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16. Zimbabwe used to be large food exporter
However much land reform was needed it was not handled well.
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