Air Passenger Color Code Plan In Motion

[GoBlue]

CBS) Precautions in the name of air security are about to taken to a level unimaginable in the United States only a few years ago.

The Washington Post reports the Bush administration is expected to order as soon as next month the first step in setting up databases on all air passengers, to be used to color-code each air traveler according to his or her potential threat level.

Passengers coded red would be stopped from boarding; yellow would mean additional screening at security checkpoints; and green would mean an only standard level of scrutiny.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/12/terror/main592564.shtml

[trotsky]

1. Code colors! How simple!

White = green
Asian = yellow
Black, brown, etc. = red

That way they can say they're not racial profiling!

[northzax]

6. I saw a story this weekend

I think on NBC, concerning a young woman named "Alexandra Hayes" or something similar, who is on the no fly list. Because her name is 'similar' to someone on the list, she cannot fly without a letter from Homeland Security confirming that it is a case of mistaken identity. Think on this for a second. an American citizen, with on criminal record, who cannot fly without government permission.

[ConcernedCanuk]

9. "papers" - gotta have ur "papers" - reminds me of another Empire - hmmmmmm

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[SoCalDem]

10. ..."May vee see your pepppppers, pleazzzz"...

Sheez... Like flying is not a big enough hassle already..:eyes:

[Thor_MN]

18. And no doubt she is not entitled to know anything about

the person who has the similar name due to "national security reasons" and has absolutely no rights to challenge this. How long before "similar names on the no fly list" are commonplace for those that don't please the conservatives?

[KansDem]

22. "Because her name is 'similar' to someone on the list"

This will also make her ineligible to vote, at least in Florida.

[Ilsa]

33. This has happened to a number of men.

One of them had a very similar name to a "terra-ist". It took forever to get it cleared up. He was also a hero from the first Persian Gulf War, IIRC.

[coyote]

2. When do we get our "stars of David"

and numbered tatoos.

U´nf*ckinbelievable.

[saigon68]

8. NO a Tattooed Bar Code on your arm.

Easy cheap efficient. The Mark of the Beast. And death to those who don't comply.

[jokerman93]

19. Barcode tattoo? Naaaah!

That's so eighties! C'mon. I'm holding out for the chip in my butt!

:thumbsdown:

[alfredo]

23. Here is the yellow tag you have to wear

the "L" is for Liberal.

Only five points, the sixth would have cost extra, reducing profits.

[Gman]

3. And...

fascist conservative = green
moderate = yellow
liberal (DU posters) = red

Don't think for a nano-instant that this isn't exactly what will happen.

[davidinalameda]

14. but I don't look good in yellow

but I can carry red off pretty well

:bounce:

[Rose Siding]

16. Clark sold this system to Congress

http://www.counterpunch.org/donahue10012003.html

Has he decided it's a bad idea yet? Because I agree with you- there will be abuse.

[aquart]

25. The system itself is abuse.

Let's not pretend it isn't.

[Lars39]

4. Another thread/different article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=309764

[ConcernedCanuk]

5. Color me Canuk - I'm staying on the SANE side of the border !!

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[gauguin57]

7. hey, concerned canuck ...

is there room on your couch for a few hundred thousand really pissed-off Americans?

Color coding for airline passengers? My GOD ... just when you think things couldn't get any scarier at the hands of this Orwellian government.

I want my country back!

[ConcernedCanuk]

11. a few hundred thousand really pissed-off Americans - hmm - is that all ?

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. Gotta be in the Millions I figure !

Sorry, not enuf room on my couch,

but y'all can buy a 100 acre farm up here for under $50,000 (Canuk dollars !)

oh,

shhhhh,

don't let King George hear ya thinking of escaping to that "rogue" nation to the North !!

[kayell]

13. That actually sounds like a great idea, since I don't want to

spend time living in the Empire of *, if the repugs win in 2004. I looked up a little info on Canadas self employed category, and it looks feasible. Do you think that several like minded people of modest resources could qualify to do this as a group, pooling their resources to start a business there?

[jpak]

12. Let me guess - we have to pay to obtain these cards???

Will there be any recourse if one is "mistakenly" placed on the No Fly list???

Not likely - just ask any Florida Democrat that was removed from voter rolls because JEB and Cruela decided he/she was a "felon".

You will be labeled a terrorist until YOU prove otherwise.

Unf**kingbelievable.

[Rose Siding]

15. This is CAPPS II

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The planned database program for monitoring air travelers is called Computer Assisted Passenger Pre-Screening, more commonly referred to as CAPPS II, because the one planned for rollout is a second generation of CAPPS I, the system now in use.

More than 8,000 people wrote the government with their concerns during the public comment period on CAPPS II, which ended on Sept. 30.

The American Civil Liberties Union, on its web site, objects to CAPPS II, saying it would make every American suspect, lacks due process protections for people who are unfairly labeled, is based on judgments made in secret, and would be easy for terrorists to circumvent.
end snip>

Surely no Dem candidate for prez would have been a corporate lobbyist on behalf of this new program, right? wrong! :cry:

[yellowcanine]

17. "General" Tom Ridge is fighting the last war

One of the cardinal rules of war is that the side which uses the tactics of the previous war will suffer great losses when the enemy uses new tactics.

Thus the French were humiliated when the German Blitzkreig went around their "impregnable" Maginot line.
Now we are focusing on airliners - but the next attack likely will not involve airliners. The Bushbots are completely one-dimensional in their thinking. We can only hope that osama's minions "shot their wad" with 9-11 and have no good ideas left. Otherwise, we are in trouble because Bush doesn't have a clue.

[Rose Siding]

21. No- He's taking advantage of "the last war"...

in order to give the govt more power over the people.

Any cursory look at the 911 investigation so far proves that this was not necessary.

[pippin]

20. so tell me we aren't living in a fascist state

[aquart]

27. Uh. We are.

[nolabels]

30. That's a SKULL & BONES fascist state

Nice long history here, if look back through some of this material you will see it has always been in the background all along.

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853

There is all kinds of references to it, people just want to ignore it, thinking it will go away or something.

Heard some new stuff today on the fifty year old vendetta the BFEE has with the Cuba because they nationalized the sugar production and screwed BFEE. Cleared a few lingering random questions for complicity in the Bay of Pigs.

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. This is really supposed to make us all safer?

This is just a good excuse to harass and control the sheeple. I wonder what all the libertarians and freebird freeper types gonna say about this? I guess it's still okay as long as they don't have to register their guns?


Heil Bushler!

[aquart]

26. No. But it does prevent Democrats and other terrorists

from traveling to demonstrations or other points of protest.

[missile_bender]

28. Bush's new campaign slogan:

"Show me your papers and bend over."

[peterh]

29. A typical profile???…

:eyes:

[tridim]

32. No, Saudis are given a special "black-gold card"

especially if they are a member of the Bin Laden family. The black-gold card entitles them to free air travel even if all other flights are grounded.

[Dover]

31. Wesley Clark was on Acxion's Board of Directors

from the WP article, above...


The TSA said the new computerized system is to provide a more thorough approach to screening passengers. It will collect travelers' full name, home address and telephone number, date of birth and travel itinerary. The information will be fed into large databases, such as Lexis-Nexis and
Acxiom, that tap public records and commercial computer banks, such as shopping mailing lists, to verify that passengers are who they say they are. Once a passenger is identified, the CAPPS 2 system will compare that traveler against wanted criminals and suspected terrorists contained in other databases. ...cont'd

http://www.indiemediamagazine.com/article.php?story=20040112175019550

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b Acxiom - Clark was on their board of directors.

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – October 9, 2003 – Acxiom® Corporation (Nasdaq: ACXM) today announced that retired U.S. Army General Wesley K. Clark has resigned from the Acxiom Board of Directors, effective immediately. The Company said Clark originally had hoped to fulfill his duties as a Company Director but that the growing demands of seeking the U.S. presidency had made that impractical.

Acxiom Chairman Charles D. Morgan offered deep gratitude to Clark for his many contributions to the board. Clark had resigned his role as a consultant for Acxiom the day he announced his presidential campaign.

Clark had been a member of the Acxiom board since December 2001

http://www.acxiom.com/default.aspx?ID=2312&Country_Code=USA

[MGKrebs]

34. Yikes! and I just made a joke in The Lounge

a couple of weeks ago about having a stamp on my passport that said "No re-entry". Guess it's not so far from the truth now.

Geez. I hope I didn't give them the idea!