An American soldier has died in a non-hostile incident in northern Iraq

[Judi Lynn]

Date :14/01/2004 02:54:50 ã
No.: 28

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan 14, SPA -- An American soldier has died in a non-hostile incident in northern Iraq, the U.S. military
said Wednesday, raising the U.S. death toll since the Iraq
conflict began to 496.

A U.S. press statement said the soldier, attached to the
101st Airborne Division, died Tuesday night in the northern
city of Mosul.

It said the "non-hostile incident" that led to the death
is under investigation. It gave no other details.
(snip/...)

http://www.spa.gov.sa/html/archive_e.asp?srcfile=608004&NDay=14/01/2004&wcatg=0

[Guaranteed]

1. Okay...was there a gun involved in this "non-hostile" incident?

Are they getting even vaguer YET in their descriptions of these happenings?

[0007]

2. Was this soldier in a combat zone receiving combat pay?

....so many different way these guys are dying.

[tom_paine]

11. It's just Bushevik Pravda

I still remember readsing about this one, which convinced me that the Busheviks are nothing but Bolsheviks with a different rationalization for their brand of Tyranny.

A soldier got killed when he and a partner were driving a jeep and came under fire. The jeep got hit but the soldiers didn't. As a result, the jeep spun out of control and crashed into a wall killing one of the soldiers.

This was classified by the Busheviks as a "Non-Combat Death"."

How many other "non-hostile" deaths are like this one? As with the Soviet Union, you can count on an iceberg of lies floating just beneath the surface of this tip.

I still remember when America was part of the Free World. It seems so long ago.

[Ilsa]

3. I think these numbers ar wrong.

CNN and some other sites have had the number of dead at 496 for ten days. They didn't add the death of that soldier who died several months later from burns. My count is 499 with this one, unfortunately, based on the other numbers from two weeks ago.

Bastards are undercounting the dead for political purposes. I bet this won't come up that they've hit five hundred until late Friday night.

[pippin]

4. Lunaville's "Fataity Metrics"

lists a total of 598 for the coalition forces
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Counts.aspx
and 498 US soldiiers to date:
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx

Faces of the fallen can be seen at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/casualties/facesofthefallen.htm

Weep America.

[ConcernedCanuk]

7. I'm sure the numbers are "cooked" - cooking the books is not new ?

.
.
. . It wouldn't suprize me one little bit that deaths of personell that have no relatives, or are "sorta" citizens with no living relatives in the USA are not included in the official body count . .

And howcome I've never heard of ONE report of sldiers MIA ? - Doesn't that happen anymore?

And this number, does it include "coalition" members?

As well, I'd like to see a sort of "comparison", like

DEATHS IN IRAQ WAR (just my own guestimation for demonstration purposes)

US Military . . . . . 500+
Other Military . . . 100+
Iraqi Military . . . . 20,000+ (could be over 100K for all we know)
Iraqi Civilians . . . 10,000+

and then we can probably quadruple each number for wounded; suffering, or soon to be suffering from DU (Depleted Uranium); injected drugs; phsycological disorders; etc.

So, if Saddam reportedly executed 300,000 in 12 years, on an annual pro-rated basis

The BFEE has got him beat !

AND,

distabilized the country, if not the region as a bonus !

Oh,

Don't furget all the jobs created for furriners to rebuild the damm place!

[Jazzgirl]

18. Ilsa, I have wondered the same for weeks!

I have been seeing frozen numbers for a few weeks now. Its weird because during the holidays the numbers being reflected in the news was around 200. I wondered then where the other almost 300 deaths went! I don't understand. Last week they were reporting 495 and now its only to 496 with I don't know how many deaths reported in between. Vicious!

On another note, I found out this morning my brother is being deployed into this mess on the 1st of February. Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. I am so depressed and so, so pissed!

Jazzgirl x(

[dustypen]

5. any death is sad

while the death toll in iraq gives me the chills, its better than the 5,000 people sadamm killed every year for NO reason.

Also, didn't chicago have close to 300 murders last year?? While we try to get our troops out of iraq, lets restore order in our own house as well.

soliders dying in war is terrible, americans killing americans for a crak pipe is even worse...

[lucky777]

9. Huh? I think you are on the wrong web site

The crack to which you refer came through via George Bush I, begining in the Iran Contra days -- the CIA wars in South America were funded with crack cocaine. You can blame Bush's dad for that. And why is there so much murder in Chicago (where I'm from)? -- it is because people are so poor and so beaten down by Bush-style policies. You don't see suburban kids from the North Shore going to jail, or going to Iraq for that matter.

This web site is for people who want to think about current events, not to jingoistically throw up your hands and say that a few hundred killed and ten thousand wounded is all well and good. With the $ spent on this bullshit war you could balance the budgets in every state and give health care to kids -- that would go some distance to eradicating crime.

[Judi Lynn]

10. Maybe you should post a valid link to the 5,000 people killed YEARLY

by Saddadm Hussein in Iraq.

What connection does it have to the near 500 Americans killed in Iraq?

Here's a link:

Following a decision on July 30, 2004, by Guatemala's Constitutional Court clearing the way for a Rios Montt candidacy, Guatemalans and human rights activist are on red alert for the renewed possibility of terrorist attacks -- by their own government. During his 17 months as Guatemala's president, Rios Montt presided over a military responsible for almost half of all atrocities committed in Guatemala over the past 30 years. But as human rights activists like Rosalina Tuyuc wasted little time warning of another potential "genocidio," the Bush administration weakly responded to the possibility of a Rios Montt presidency, calling it "problematic."

Why the fuzziness about the man in the Americas who most embodies Bush administration descriptions of "evil"? Steady, daily denunciations of Saddam Hussein over the last 23 months contrast staggeringly with the deadly silence around Rios Montt. It's hardly the response we've come to expect from an administration bent on redefining the moral discourse of the world.

So why is Washington being evasive?

Some observers believe that lack of resources like oil in Guatemala condemns it, and, for that matter, the entire Central American region, to perpetual neglect. Others think that former President Ronald Reagan's influence on the Bush administration guarantees that the mass graves of Guatemala will not see the light of CNN, though such sites were being uncovered at about the same time as those in Iraq.

Declassified State Department documents released by the Clinton administration in 1999 reveal that high-level U.S. officials knew that Guatemala's mass graves were created after "executions ordered by armed services officers close to President Rios Montt." On Dec. 4, 1982, President Reagan visited Central America and met with Rios Montt, whom he described as a "man of great personal integrity and commitment" who had been "getting a bum rap." Forensic anthropologists later found that three days after the meeting, Rios Montt's military slaughtered more than 300 villagers in the hamlet of Dos Erres.

A month after the massacre, Reagan managed to free military aid to Guatemala that had been frozen in Congress because of human rights concerns. (snip/...)

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=3654&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

Back to the Iraq deaths. The near 500 deaths of American soldiers come from a community of what, 130,000 American soldiers in Iraq?

What connection to they have to 300 murders in a city of almost 3,000,000? You should explain.

[Solly Mack]

12. Whoa Nelly. You've lost your way

A soldier dying for a trumped up reason in a war based on lies is beyond tragic

Get a clue...the soldiers in Iraq are dying for NO reason.

People all over Iraq are dying for NO reason.

Want some real chills? Join my husband in Iraq. I'm sure he'll be glad to know you're his replacement.

[salin]

13. aren't these two things

completely uncomparable? We haven't set US policy to encourage putting people in perilous situations visavis crime (unless you count pushing the economy into a precarious state - which is tied to higher crime). However US Policy did set the course to Iraq - and has put our US Servicefolks into harms way, and even those who do not become casualites are likely to have deep scars.

Sad to say there are many regimes that currently rule by repression and violence - including the Uzbek govt that we have just approved to give more $$$$$$ where political opponents (and others) face torture and death including death by boiling.

Are we to take each of these regimes on as well?

The only remaining justification for the war in Iraq (the documentation disproving both ties to al qeada/9-11 and the supposed 'immenent threat' due to weapons of mass destruction - disproven not only by lack of find - but by our actions... from cutting off the weapons inspections prematurely to prepare for war... to securing oil fields but not securing known nuclear and other weapons facility to prevent weapons and technology from falling into enemy hands)... the only justification left is humanitarian. The problem with this - is there are other awful governments/regimes in the world who threaten the lives of their citizens... so why Iraq... or who is next... why should any country trust us not to trump up charges against them... why are we silent on the repression and violence in Saudi Arabia and Egypt (among others?)... why are we opening up even more relations and trade with China?... why are we silent with the re-emerging repression and totalitarian moves of Putin and Russia????

[dustypen]

16. my point was

that while we can rage about the horrors of the war and how its all Bush's fault, shouldnt we also ask what can be done about murders here in the US. folks often ignore those numbers (i guess thinking that as long as we are killing each other its okay) that quite frankly add up pretty quickly.

I would just like to see some ideas from the candidates on crime reduction and have it added as a piece of the campaigns.

As far as other countries with gross human rights violations, yes I do think we should approach those countries and force them to change or face consequences. Shit, I though that was the job of the UN.

[alcuno]

20. I have no problem with a candidate running on a platform of

working to enforce a universal standard for human rights. But I think you have mixed the debate. The American people had a right to give informed consent for such an action and instead most were fooled into believing that Iraq posed a danger to the US.

Working to improve conditions in this country is a separate issue and it lacks clarity to mix it with our occupation of a foreign country.

[Norquist Nemesis]

22. Your point

compares apples and oranges. Next statistical comparison will be the number of abortions performed in the US vs Saddam.

[NickB79]

17. We killed 10,000+ in ONE year

Possibly 20,000-50,000 even. That is better than Saddam's murders how? And that doesn't take into account the hundreds of thousands we starved to death through US/UN sanctions from 1991-2003.

Soldiers dying in war is terrible, soldiers dying in an unjust, illegal war is even worse.

[Jazzgirl]

19. Wrong place dusty.

I don't know how you think it's "better" to have "only" 500 Americans killed. Saddam was an asshole but there was NO GOOD REASON FOR US TO ATTACK HIM AT THIS TIME!!!! If you don't get that then maybe you need to read a bit more and become enlightened.

Jazzgirl :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :thumbsdown:

[dustypen]

23. i am enlightened

your right, there was no good reason to attack him at this time. we should have waited 10 MORE years so he could keep killing more and more innocent people

thanks for clearing that up

[Whoa_Nelly]

6. Is a non-hostile incident

the same as suicide?

[salin]

14. Very hard to tell...

there has been some very odd reporting around "non-hostile incidents"... including one report where the incident involved a truck or car blowing up (iirc)... and a couple of incidents of... soldiers "accidentally falling off" of buildings.

[Solly Mack]

15. No but it can include suicide

non-hostile incident is an umbrella under which many things fall

accidents of all types and suicide....it's also a meaningless catch phrase to cover incidents in a military arena. Haven't you noticed the turn from non-combat to non-hostile? Non-hostile is thought to not have the same adverse reaction as non-combat.

I know of 2 soldiers..both injured in similar manners...one was non-combat (months ago) and one was listed as non-hostile..just a couple of weeks ago.

[davhill]

8. There are a lot of young men

under a lot of stress with ready access to small arms. Add a limited number of young women to raise the frustration level and it is inevitable that fights will break out and some of these fights will result in fatalities

[AndyTiedye]

21. Does "Non-Hostile" Include Fragging and other "Friendly Fire" Incidents?