Cheney's grim vision: decades of war (San Fran Chron.)

[cthrumatrix]

Cheney's grim vision: decades of war
Vice president says Bush policy aimed at long-term world threat
James Sterngold, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, January 15, 2004
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URL: sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/15/MNGK14AC301.DTL


Los Angeles -- In a forceful preview of the Bush administration's expansionist military policies in this election year, Vice President Dick Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations.

The vice president's tone, in a major address to the Los Angeles World Affairs Council, was sobering, unlike many other comments recently by senior administration officials that have stressed successes in the war on terrorism.

Cheney mentioned only in passing the administration's domestic policies, while saying President Bush would present a blueprint of his domestic goals in next Tuesday's State of the Union speech.

Cheney devoted the half-hour speech to a frightening characterization of the war on terrorism and the new kind of mobilization he said it demanded. He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus.

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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/15/MNGK14AC301.DTL&type=printable

posted in GD as well ...this is what Paul O'Neill showed us in his book --- Iraq was a choice --- Cheney's view is by choice.

[LeftHander]

1. Evil Dick should Resign

This man is so scary. Frankly we all should be more afraid of Dick Cheney than any terrorist.

[BadGimp]

13. amen LeftHander AMEN

Using fear as a weapon against all Americans.

Nice work Unca Dick.

[saigon68]

21. He's a worthless Fucking Draft Dodger Anyway

His motto is "Let Someone Else die for MY Corporate profits"

[homelandpunk]

39. He has to make something terrible happen before

the lid gets blown off the Pentagon bombing. The evidence is all out there and he knows it. He knows it is only a matter of time till people will want to take a step back and take a look at the bullshit-feed about the Pentagon attack. He knows he has to cover his ass soon in a big way. Look for a nuke in your neighborhood. It is as scary as he paints it....BECAUSE he controls the shit he is talking about. Do you really think he is digging that big hole under his mansion for shits n' grins??!!! He knows the plan.

Be VERY VERY VERY fucking afraid.
Then relax and try not to, because short of someone taking drastic measures, it is out of our hands.

[Just Me]

58. FREON NEOCONS "CREATE" CRISES FOR EXPLOITATION,...

,...SO THAT THEY CAN PROFIT!!! Cheney's freakin' energy group has decided to do a 180 on nonproliferation policy and build dangerous, inefficient, uneconomical fast breeder reactors (which create that glowing, green shit used in nuclear weapons) AND help other countries having NO nuclear arm capacity to do so as well!!! This administration is CREATING a nuclear arms nightmare!!!!

So, while the administration goes yadayadayada about the dangers of WMDs, it has restarted a brand, spanking new nuclear arms development program (which these particular reactors "feed") AND this administration is DIRECTLY PROMOTING nuclear weapons technology to other nonnuke countries!!!!

See: http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/bush/freprocessing.asp

I am now completely convinced that the major players in this administration are perfectly capable and willing to create/invent calculated crises which they utilize as a vehicle of manipulation in order to recognize a profit or influence. They have NO CONSCIENCE when it comes to feeding their insatiable appetite for money and power. They are capable of extraordinary wickedness and are terribly, terribly dangerous people.

The fundamentalists really, REALLY outta be prayin' to God and Jesus that these very wicked men be judged, IMMEDIATELY!!! I mean, seriously, LORD HELP US!!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. That's what's wrong with Cheney

He has no positive vision for the future. Everything is doom and gloom while he stuffs his pockets even fuller with our money, giggling like a madman in his little secure bunker.

Would someone please, get this wacko a shot of Thorazine and a straight jacket cause he's a danger to humanity?

[lovedems]

6. O'Neill pointed out in his book that they were making more doom and gloom

out of the economy then was necessary. The doom and gloom was to justify their tax cuts. He kept trying to tell them the economy was not as bad as they were painting it out to be and tax cuts were not necessary.

More of the same, doom and gloom to justify another pre-emptive invasion.

[lovedems]

3. Vote with fear, not with concious.

That SOB. If they can't get the vote the democratic way, they will scare us. If they can't scare people in voting for them, they will steal it.

My husband is convinced they will steal the election again. He thinks it is like a child who cheats in school. If they are not caught and have some sort of punishment, they will do it again and keep doing it until somebody calls them on it.

[cthrumatrix]

4. Don't forget Tommy Franks - attack on America = Military Govt.

and probably no elections..........

[theHandpuppet]

49. Yep....

My partner is convinced this is what will happen if it looks like the Dems have even a chance of winning in November. The PNAC crew are exactly where they've longed to be for so long and are not about to give that up.

[peekaloo]

5. Big Dick pops out of his spider hole and sees his shadow.

he's been on the gloom and doom circuit for a while, hasn't he?

What Dick wants, Dick seems to get....:scared:

[PATRICK]

7. Well, no wonder then

he is upset, considering the grotesque administration he has set in place for a century. Too bad people can't just be happy slaves and not need to be controlled by fear.

If I were him I'd be woorying about my own soul than neocon self-fulfilling prophecies. I'd build a monument of winged doves and ring his dour tombstone with it in everlasting mockery.

[Old and In the Way]

8. Fight Terror. Vote Democrat.

pretty simple to me.

[rman]

9. War on drugs, War on terrorism

war on drugs causes increased quality, lower prices... more drugs, in essence

war on terrorism causes more terrorism

i think there's a pattern here

[librechik]

10. Deranged. If he spent as much energy fighting for peace

as he does for war, think where we could be...

Has anybody checked his pulse-ox lately? I bet his brain is chronically short of oxygen.

[pansypoo53219]

11. some old people

just live death wishes. (very old drivers-driving in a way that could get them killed). since he knows he is dying, he could give a shit about anybody else. he is just a walking pile of greed for money and power.

[fjc]

12. Didn't they just tell us all we're safer?

Perpetual war = perpetual power for Republicans. That's what this is about.

[ithacan]

14. gee, didn't stalin say something similar??? Shades of "1984"

I know that Hitler did.

And of course in Orwell's 1984 never-ending war was a staple of totalitarian rule...

[tabasco]

15. Cheney will fight to the last drop of YOUR blood !!

This coward refused to serve in the military and now wants to wage endless wars with YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN doing the fighting!! Wake up, America! These evil men must be punished for the damage they have done to our Nation.

[Cassandra]

Well, I guess...

that this leaves them out: "only an administration of proven ability could manage the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus. "

[young_at_heart]

16. "Thanks to our courageous president, the world is safer"

Our local paper had this headline written by a local columnist....do you feel safer, I don't.

[BigDaddyLove]

20. Are you serious..............

about that being an actual headline?

If so, then that's pretty f*cked up.

[young_at_heart]

41. Yes...I'm serious!

It was the title of the opinion piece.

[indepat]

17. No worry folks: our bankruptcy will render perpetual war impossible

[cthrumatrix]

18. the "serious looting" will start soon....they will authorize more $$$

when a bomb goes off in the US... sadness

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

19. M-I-C..

...K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E

[gun_toting_liberal]

22. Apparently Howard Dean is right.

We aren't any safer with Saddam captured.

[proud patriot]

23. If Cheney gets what he wants we will have a generational war

Cheney's a low life criminal .

[Judi Lynn]

24. No wonder he hides and avoids meeting people in general

He just probably has a hard time looking anyone in the eye any more.

Probably the only people he's comfortable around are similarly diseased morally.

[54anickel]

25. I am not a terrorist sympathizer, but I wish once, just once, the world

leaders would take a step back and ask "what might we have done to contribute to the desperation of these people".

I cannot believe they are ALL fundamental religious fanatics.

[daleo]

26. Cheney = PNAC

These people have to be stopped in the next election. There is no limit to what they plan to do. All this loose talk about WWIII being the cold war and WWIV being 'the war on terror' will be meaningless if they plunge us into a real WWIII - the real kind that we used to have nightmares about.

[Stephanie]

44. That's the point I'm trying to make here:

Help me out:

Dick Cheney - Shadow President

It's time for Cheney's comeuppance. He's a second rate intellect masquerading as an evil genius. Lacking imagination, he signed on early to the PNAC agenda, maneuvered himself into a position to implement it, and will not entertain other POVs.

He is unbelievably frightening. THIS is the guy who must be stopped. O'Neill calls him a "puppeteer." Why isn't this common knowledge?

I think we should follow the Nixon paradigm and Destroy Cheney First.

[SpiralHawk]

55. Behind every Puppeteer

there's an ideologically calcified Puppette

Lynn "Do As I Say Not As I Do" Cheney

Whispering sweetly poisonous nothings in Big Dick's ears at night.

[peekaloo]

27. p.s. isn't the sense of impending doom a sign of a heart attack?

upgrade your ticker Big Dick, batteries running low.

[Stephanie]

45. I wonder how much effect his condition has on his psyche

I was just thinking about that. The paranoia must be partially bio-chemical. Imagine how debilitating that weird pace-maker must be! I don't think he's fit to serve, and I don't just mean morally. He's impaired!

*edit - that damn affect/effect!

[kayell]

28. He's setting us up for the Oct M/Lihop surprise

"He sounded the alarm about the increasing prospects of a major new terrorist attack and the extraordinary responses that are required. While many of his remarks echoed past comments by the president and senior officials, Cheney struck a surprisingly dour note and suggested only an administration of proven ability could manage the dramatic overhaul necessary for the nation's security apparatus. "

[Sophree]

56. I was going to say desensitizing.

They're desensitizing us, mentally preparing us for another attack, which is "inevitable."

I agree with you, kayell.

[Malva Zebrina]

29. there can be no war on "terrorism"

it is another Bush/Cheney fascist, mystical approach to pull the wool over the eyes of the vulnerable and quite stupid sheep. It is not logical, nor can it be pursued to any logical conclusion--obviously, terrorism will never be blotted out--stupid people cannot see further than the end of Cheney's nose--it's like a "war on disease"--there will always be disease too--as a matter of fact, using the moniker "war" just increases the anxiety, which is just fine with Cheney and Bush--they love wars on anything--what is needed from Cheney, Bush and the others who would have us sacrifice our precious children to the quest for the rich to make more money off their young minds and bodies, is specifics.

That there are never any specifics offered when speaking about this "war on terrorism", is a great big clue. You know, like, we do this, then we do that, then we demand a surrender from the enemy and sign the victory papers.


Stupid people will get all gung ho over this "war on terrorism" as if we have nothing else to do with our children but sacrifice them for an abstract, confusing mantra that means little or nothing. Oh yeah---sometimes it is backed up with the inevitable emotional appeal--"they hate our freedoms"--without offering us a clue as to who the "they" is that we are fighting this war against, naturally.

[Say_What]

30. Dickless Cheney taking lessons from Hermann GOERING

"The people can always be brought to obey the orders of their leaders. All the leaders need to do is tell the people they are under attack, denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and put the country under alert."

Hermann Goering at his Nuremberg trial

Dickless is a sorry POS

[amber dog democrat]

31. addicted to war

so long as someone else is making the sacrafices. Was this whore ever a veteran?
No. We need to stop empowering these thugs.

[young_at_heart]

32. LIfe's meaning = FEAR

That's the message they are trying to send. Let's hope some of his Christian followers will question this.

[pacifictiger]

33. The antithesis of

Democratic Liberal = Aristocratic Servile

I just came across this quote from Thomas Jefferson
"Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, Liberals and Serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, Whigs and Tories, Republicans and Federalists, Aristocrats and Democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last one of Aristocrats and Democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all." --Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 1824. ME 16:73

Bingo - this country is now run by a bunch of aristocrats who have conned a bunch of serviles into thinking they are honest.
Now, if only they can be convinced that this is so.

[aquart]

34. I hope Hell exists.

If ever anyone deserved the tortures of the damned, it's Cheney.

Not just for our soldiers, or the Iraqi dead, or the nearly 3,000 who died at the WTC some holding hands and leaping to their deaths as the better choice, but for every American, every person in the world whose future has been stolen by that heartless soulless thief.

And it still won't be enough.

[Stephanie]

47. I'm with you AQ

You say it very well.

[aeon flux]

35. He's one creepy-looking dude

"Vice President Dick Cheney Wednesday painted a grim picture of what he said was the growing threat of a catastrophic terrorist attack in the United States and warned that the battle, like the Cold War, could last generations."

That part scares me the most. Dickhead is predicting another 9/11 style attack on the US. Why is he making such a dire prediction? Wasn't the capture of Saddam suppose to make us safer?

Once again, our great Repuke leaders are going to fail to defend us against another major attack on US soil. On purpose no doubt, considering that the first 9/11 attack has been very good for his company's profits (Halliburton).

9/11 attacks are great for business, aren't they Dickhead?

[aquart]

36. Wasn't BushCo supposed to start the happy hopeful talk?

Because people vote for the hope-promising candidate.

[jokerman93]

37. I just wanna be a sheep

I just wanna be a sheep
Baa, baa, baa, baa
I just wanna be a sheep
Baa, baa, baa, baa
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
I just wanna be a sheep
Baa, baa, baa, baa...

:mad:

(I Just Wanna Be a Sheep
beloved Christian song
Words and Music by Brian M. Howard)

[moondust]

38. Deleted.

[leesa]

40. The war on "terrorism" is a complete scam, just like the war on

communism and the war on drugs. Just a way to steal resources, sell arms and topple populist governments. Same old. Same old. Invent an enemy by creating bogus crises and commence the warring. War profiteers like the Bushes, Cheney's, Rumsfeld's, et al. stay fat and happy!

Are conservatives finally cluing into this bogus crap?

[Kool Kitty]

42. I can't believe that Cheney said this.

I thought that the Repugs were going to run on their bright vision of the future and their hopefulness, and the Dems were going to be the negative ones. I guess the memo didn't get delivered to Dracula's coffin.

[goforit]

43. Is he threatenning Americans that their will be another terroist act?

It certainly sounding like the voice of Osama Bin Ladin!!!

Why are Osamas tactics just like Cheney's?

Or are they the same person?

Will Cheney attack the United States?

Notice how the Sh*t is hitting the fan with bad PR in the
media,.........and Cheney, the doomsdayer, steps in with threats!!!!

Someone take his hand off that RED button!!!!!!

ARREST, then......

PROSECUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stephanie]

46. If you are watching Cheney, please post here:

I am trying to get the Cheney Watch going:

Dick Cheney - Shadow President

The groundhog needs to come out in the light of day, for all to see.

[The_Casual_Observer]

48. "extraordinary responses that are required"

This would mean the invasion of more countries without any evidence
that the rulers or citizens of those countries had done anything.

Even really stupid people will eventually grow tired of this cold war boogyman nonsense.

[Voltaire99]

50. But...what "terrorism"? Where is this "terrorism"? Huh?

It's not as if terrorism levels are rising or have risen in any measurable way apart from 9/11, which really is the fault of a) bad airline security and b) an administration that ignored warnings from the Clinton bipartisan blue ribbon panel for nine months.

There just isn't enough terrorism to justify this hideous Orwellian farce.

Are Americans going to resist being turned into frightened sheep, or are they going to insist on remaining citizens in charge of our common destiny? The 2004 election will tell...

[jsw_81]

51. The Republicans love war

It's in their best interest politically to constantly have us at war and fearing terrorist attacks. This way they can demonize Democrats as being "unpatriotic" if we dare to disagree with them on anything, and they can also bring out the old "don't change horses in midstream" line during the election season. It's frightening when you think about what they've done to this country in the last three years. I knew that Bush would pursue all kinds of insane right-wing policies to placate his base if he got in, but I never imagined that he would plunge us into recession, massive deficits, and war without end. If we don't beat this guy in November, say goodbye to the America you once knew and loved. It ain't EVER coming back.

[Kinkistyle]

52. Where are we going to get the manpower for Cheney's machinations?

Our military is already stretched to the brink. We've got our nation's Color Guard out in the battlefield for god's sake. America, despite its awesome power, was not made for battle, we were made for being lazy and making money. The weekend warrior Reserves who are toiling, dying and being treated like crap out in the desert are not happy.

If Cheney thinks he can get away with his wild plans of expanding out military out into bases across 50 nations, he's got another thing coming.

Bush 2004 = DRAFT. Get the message out.

[Th1onein]

54. You bet the draft

They are already manning it.

[mouse7]

53. Sounds like Prologue of a Conan the Barbarian novel

"From horizon to horizon, nothing but fetid smoke. On the ground, nothing but the rotting carcasses of the fallen armies of the many forces of chaos intertwined in their dance of death.

Our hero crawls out from beneath the corruption, pulls out his blackberry, wipes off the maggots, and begins to enter a text message...

"CHINA CASKET CORP Buy at 23"

[bigwoody]

57. It's up to us to remove this creep and his boy puppet from power

ASAP! Nov. can't get here soon enough!:nuke:

[number6]

59. Cheney, the grim ..(reaper)

..

[gate of the sun]

60. let's hope

Mr. dick has his decades of War in the afterlife......and he is not in charge.

[Triana]

61. Hermann Goering - Hitler's 2nd Man said:

"...it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. **That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.** It works the same in any country."
__
from Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials (Commander of the Luftwaffe,President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Police Gestapo, Hitler's 2nd man in the Third Reich & Marshal of the German Empire)

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Bush's 2nd man is now saying the same thing. And they just cannot figure out why Adolf Bush is compared to Hitler? duh...