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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:48 AM
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Vandals paint swastikas on Jewish graves in southern Hungary
Source: Associated Press

Vandals desecrated a Jewish cemetery in southern Hungary over the weekend, painting swastikas and anti-Semitic slogans on two dozen graves, a Jewish leader said Monday.

It was the fourth time in the past year that the graveyard in Kaposvar, 190 kilometers (120 miles) southwest of Budapest, had been vandalized, said Laszlo Rona, leader of the city's Jewish community.

For decades we never had any similar incidents, Rona said, adding that they were planning to release guard dogs at night to protect the cemetery.

Soviet military cemetery and a Catholic cemetery in the area were also vandalized recently.

Rona said that despite reporting the vandalism to police each time, none of the culprits have been caught.


Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/951038.html
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:59 AM
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1. actually, a neonazi did this in a Chicago subarb, too.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-jewishcemeteryjan12,0,6319154.story

"Vandals strike graves at Jewish cemetery
Anti-Semitic slurs were spray-painted on 57 tombstones

By Steve Schmadeke | Tribune staff reporter
January 12, 2008

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At least 57 tombstones in a large Jewish cemetery outside Norridge were defaced with anti-Semitic slogans last weekend in a vandalism spree that caused at least $100,000 in damage, Cook County police said.

Using white and blue spray paint, vandals drew swastikas and slurs on tombstones in a western section of the 72-acre Westlawn Cemetery, 7801 W. Montrose Ave., where roughly 46,000 people are buried. In one corner of the cemetery, a headstone inscribed with the words "Beloved husband & father" for a man who died at age 85 had a white swastika painted on a corner."


Luckily they found the neonazi who did this:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/775313,CST-NWS-hate04.article
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:26 AM
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2. Same as it was, and as it will always be.
Can't kill a Jew? Destroy that which memorializes him/her.

Really, when it comes right down to it, does anyone, other than Jews, care? I don't think so. Even in death, Jews aren't safe. It doesn't matter; fascists, right-wing, "progressives," "independents," the "Jew" represents the 'ultimate' evil in the world.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 10:35 AM
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7. The question is why
Why is this done?

Why would jews rather than any number of other creeds, ethnic groups or other people represent the "ultimate evil" or, more accurately, any kind of "evil" at all? There doesn't appear to me to be a rational explanation.

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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:08 PM
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10. Do you have any ideas why?
My random best-guess would be that Jews were the first "other" culture most Europeans had living near them, and that irrational dislike of Jews spread out from Europe. The Jews in China, for instance, where European influence didn't reach until relatively recently, were not persecuted (until the Revolution outlawed religion, but that's another story).

Tucker
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:16 AM
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11. The Church once played a role
but then antisemitism continued after the Reformation. One would think it would be in decline with the advent of scientific and technological advances.

There is no one "jewish" view of the world, so that really cannot be an answer.

To an extent it is scapegoating, but many groups have been scapegoats at one time or another. Jews have seemed to be scapegoated more often and more consistently throughout history. It could be resentment at success, but there were many Lower East Side jews who never "succeeded" materially and that didn't seem to extinguish antisemitism.

I don't really know and I guess that's why I asked.

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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 05:39 PM
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13. Wow. I'd expect that opinon from a nazi.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 05:41 PM by superconnected
I suppose hanging nooses as a symobol of hanging blacks in america, is actually an assult on trees and has nothing to do with blacks or racism, in your opinion?

Blacks are an adequate comparrison because most people don't harbor hate for only one race that is different from them.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:30 AM
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3. Does it always have to be about the Jews being victimized? Soviet military and a Catholic cemetary
also vandalized ... but this is obviously a new rise of national Nazis that must indict Hungary (bullshit)

If Israel would be a strive to be a beacon of hope instead of a dagger of injustice I think the reputations of Jews all over the world would improve dramatically. If the Jews don't like the way they are perceived maybe they could change the perception. Answering rocks with rockets is not going to make friends anywhere.

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:32 AM
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4. Maybe you should learn the difference between "ISRAEL" and "JEWS"...
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 07:36 AM by Behind the Aegis
...it may help you!

ETA: Congrats to you for being so very quick to equate anti-Semitism to Israeli actions. You know, if a "Jew" poster, like myself, dared to say that some 'attack' on Israel was anti-Semitic in nature, I would be routed for daring to equate "Jews" with "Israel" (even if it were accurate).
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:38 AM
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5. In any thread about this sort of anti-Semitism
there's always a post like yours e.g. "But, but, but.... ISRAEL...." and "why does it have to be about the Jews?"

There are threads which report other hate crimes against other minorities. They stand on their own. There's no need to try and rationalise anti-Semitism by drawing a strawman argument that Jewish people are claiming to be the only ones to be victimised.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:24 AM
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6. You forgot the sarcasm smilie.
:sarcasm:
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 05:25 PM
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8. Hungarian Jews could have more impact on Israeli policy...
if they moved to Israel. Should they go to Israel while Palestinians remain walled out of Israel?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 06:38 PM
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9.  your post is sickening
and it's an ugly reflection of its author.

:puke:
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:27 AM
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12. wow. just wow. GDP is bad, now LBN is heading the same way.
So much muck around here these days.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:17 PM
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14. WTF?! The graves of the loved ones are trashed and this is your response?
You are justifying this shit?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:23 PM
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16. Here's a link that might be worth your while looking at...
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 06:41 PM by LeftishBrit
http://www.holocaust-history.org/hungarian-photos/

Antisemitism existed in Hungary LONG before the creation of the State of Israel. I have several friends whose parents or grandparents were refugees from antisemitism in Hungary. And I'm just referring to Hungary because it was in the OP - Hungary was no worse, and indeed in some ways better, than many other countries.

And neo-Nazis are active in many countries; and Jews are indeed only one of their targets - though an important one.

And most Jews don't live in Israel, so why should they be blamed for anything that Israel does? Would you excuse racism against African-Americans because certain African countries have bad leaders? Or prejudice against Polish-Americans because of the Kaczynskis; or Italian-Americans because of Berlusconi; or Chinese-Americans because of Mao and the current dubious government of China?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 06:19 PM
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15. What sick and evil fucks!
Hate still is alive.

What a shitty world this can be at times.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 03:58 AM
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17. Sad, isn't it?
Even worse, now, so called-"progressives" join in the "Jew-hating." Bigotry can never be used to combat bigotry...EVER!
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