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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:47 PM
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Berkeley’s anti-Marines declaration prompts bills to strip federal funds
Source: San Jose Mercury News

A move to strip Berkeley institutions of federal funds is going forward in Congress in retaliation for last week's City Council vote telling the U.S. Marines their recruiting station is not welcome in the city.

...

The bills seek to take away $243,000 from the Chez Panisse Foundation, which provides school lunches for Berkeley public schools...

Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8186256



So the Berkeley city council hurts the feelings of the United States Marines, and six Rapublican Senators move to take away lunches from schoolchildren in retaliation.

Why don't the just send the Marines in to shoot the kids. That'll show 'em.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:38 PM
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1. makes perfectly good sense to me,
if they can't use the kids as cannon fodder, they'll starve them. What the fuck is wrong with these congress people? Why don't they enlist and serve a stint or three? Or get their kids to the corp asap.
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eib1 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:39 PM
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2. I don't like this at all.
If our institutions of higher learning are not free to structure themselves and their activities as they see fit, no one's free.
Whatever happened to institutional integrity?
Or individual integrity for that matter?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:52 PM
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4. Maybe we should ask the Marines
What are they fighting for, if it isn't for the US Constitution and the rights that it guarantees, because they sure as hell aren't fighting for anything I believe in!!!!!

I guess most of the US military now fights so that they can kill rag heads and camel jockeys, and do the bidding of their masters in Washington D.C.

And, to get the lunch programs for school children taken away, I wonder what they'll do next?
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proud2bamerican2 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:00 PM
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6. re: recruiting center's location
Is the recruiting center on campus?
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:57 AM
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10. NO
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:47 PM
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3. Look at this crew of punk as chumps
The Senate bill was introduced today by Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C.; Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga.; Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas; Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla.; and Sen. David Vitter, R-La. Rep. John Campbell, R-Newport Beach., in introducing a companion bill in the House.

Jim DeMint, another yellow backed Republican. loves him some war as long as his ass isn't on the line.

Saxby Chambliss the guy who missed Vietnam and yet dissed the man who's place he took in the Senate, a man that lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam. Got to love those coward lovers in Georgia.

Tom Coburn, the Dr. who wanted the death penalty for those who provide abortions, what can you say about those Oklahomans?

John Cornyn, loves war as long as he doesn't have to fight it.

James Inhofe, doesn't believe in global warming, and gets lots of money from oil companies.

David Vitter, diaper man himself, need I say more

These wonderful Christian men want to take away lunches from school children, and give it to the USMC, I guess it's to buy more bullets so that the Marines can kill more Iraqi and Afghan children.

I guess the Marines can't fight a bunch of school children so they get the next best thing, they get to be the catalyst that members of Congress use to take away lunches from school children.

I have reached the point where I think that the people that elect these roaches are nothing more then hateful bigoted religious fanatics who probably get off pulling wings off of flies!!!!





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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:23 PM
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8. political statement to see who in both parties cast votes of "absent"
nt
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 01:56 AM
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9. DEMINT IS A SLOB
Edited on Thu Feb-07-08 02:16 AM by YEBBA
WHAT IS WRONG WITH HE SOUTH?????????????????????
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 08:56 PM
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5. I hope they find other ways to get the money.
So they can tell these warmongering thugs where to shove it.
This is truly our foreign diplomacy come home to roost - "starve the children, that'll bring'em around to our way of thinking"
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 09:20 PM
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7. Berkeley officials want to rescind anti-Marines declaration

BERKELEY, Calif.—Two Berkeley City Council members want the city to rescind a declaration that says the U.S. Marines' recruiting center is not welcome in Berkeley.
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The City Council will vote on the new proposals next week.


http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_8173513?nclick_check=1

Code Pink wil;l show up at the vote next week. Will the media be asked to vacate the chambers ?

Everybody has a camera cell phone so I'm sure the meeting will hit the net soon after the vote to back down is taken.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3169708
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:14 AM
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11. Brave, compassionate conservative Republicans
going up against school children.

You have to admire that kind of conviction.
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Sandy2k Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 02:25 AM
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12. Why pick on the neddy and not the City Govt?
Why select these orgs that help people!
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:50 AM
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15. Yep. If you want to kick out the military from your city you should expect to lose some funds
However, the gov't attempt to hit back at school kids' lunch programs shows pettiness and a mean streak that's beyond justification or equivalence.
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boilinmad Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:28 AM
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13. We should...
...start a fund drive, raise the money, and shut those fucking idiots up.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 08:50 AM
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14. The true believers of America's national religion are mad
Defy the Myth of Redemptive Violence, and this is what you can expect. Not a frontal assault; no, they will take food out of the mouths of your children. Now why is this bill going forward, but contempt proceedings for blowing off subpoenas is stalled?
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:32 AM
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16. Relax Berkeley, and stand strong
they will NOT strip federal funds from the city. There's no way the government could justify taking federal funds away from an American city, especially as a retaliatory tactic. States, cities, and towns have the right to structure their laws in way they see fit. That's why we have a federalist model, and not a central government that dictates everything.

If a town doesn't want the military, it has that right. This is a scare tactic designed to achieve submission through fear. Withstand it, and they'll buckle first.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 09:43 AM
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17. Besides...
...I don't think Berkeley has the power to actually run the recruiters out of town. This is a toothless political statement of the sort that legislatures pass all the time. Next thing you know the Secret Service will be taking pictures of people flipping the bird in the general direction of the White House for the purpose of harass...er...investigation. These Republicans are really out of control, and they need to be put back in their cages.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-07-08 11:18 AM
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18. "retaliation". That apparenlty is the SOP for the US government since King george.
"belligerence"

"retaliation"

Sounds awfully like the mob.
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proud2bamerican2 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 PM
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19. From the CO in charge at the recruiting office
I came across this and think the guy seems sincere and articulate. The debate/issue takes on a different meaning when you stop and consider there are real human beings behind each side, and not just some faceless, nameless organization.

Commentary: An Open Letter to Code Pink
By Richard Lund (10-02-07)


While the protest that you staged in front of my office on Wednesday, Sept. 26th, was an exercise of your constitutional rights, the messages that you left behind were insulting, untrue, and ultimately misdirected. Additionally, from the comments quoted in the Berkeley Daily Planet article, it is clear that you have no idea what it is that I do here. Given that I was unaware of your planned protest, I was unable to contest your claims in person, so I will therefore address them here.

First, a little bit about who I am: I am a Marine captain with over eight years of service as a commissioned officer. I flew transport helicopters for most of my time in the Marine Corps before requesting orders to come here. Currently, I am the officer selection officer for the northern Bay Area. My job is to recruit, interview, screen, and evaluate college students and college graduates that show an interest in becoming officers in the Marine Corps. Once they’ve committed to pursuing this program, I help them apply, and if selected, I help them prepare for the rigors of Officer Candidate School and for the challenges of life as a Marine officer. To be eligible for my programs, you have to be either a full-time college student or a college graduate. I don’t pull anyone out of school, and high school students are not eligible.

I moved my office to Berkeley in December of last year. Previously, it was located in an old federal building in Alameda. That building was due to be torn down and I had to find a new location. I chose our new site because of its proximity to UC Berkeley and to the BART station. Most of the candidates in my program either go to Cal or to one of the schools in San Francisco, the East Bay, or the North Bay. Logistically, the Shattuck Square location was the most convenient for them.

Next, you claim that I lie. I have never, and will never, lie to any individual that shows an interest in my programs. I am upfront with everything that is involved at every step of the way and I go out of my way to ensure that they know what to expect when they apply. I tell them that this is not an easy path. I tell them that leading Marines requires a great deal of self-sacrifice. I tell them that, should they succeed in their quest to become a Marine officer, they will almost certainly go to Iraq. In the future, if you plan to attack my integrity, please have the courtesy to explain to me specifically the instances in which you think that I lied.

Next, scrawled across the doorway to my office, you wrote, “Recruiters are Traitors.” Please explain this one. How exactly am I a traitor? Was I a traitor when I joined the Marine Corps all those years ago? Is every Marine, therefore, a traitor? Was I a traitor during my two stints in Iraq? Was I a traitor when I was delivering humanitarian aid to the victims of the tsunami in Sumatra? Or do you only consider me a traitor while I am on this job? The fact is, recruitment is and always has been a part of maintaining any military organization. In fact, recruitment is a necessity of any large organization. Large corporations have employees that recruit full-time. Even you, I’m sure, must expend some effort to recruit for Code Pink. So what, exactly, is it that makes me a traitor?

The fact is this: any independent nation must maintain a military (or be allied with those who do) to ensure the safety and security of its citizens. Regardless of what your opinions are of the current administration or the current conflict in Iraq, the U.S. military will be needed again in the future. If your counter-recruitment efforts are ultimately successful, who will defend us if we are directly attacked again as we were at Pearl Harbor? Who would respond if a future terrorist attack targets the Golden Gate Bridge, the BART system, or the UC Berkeley clock tower? And, to address the most hypocritical stance that your organization takes on its website, where would the peace keeping force come from that you advocate sending to Darfur?

Finally, I believe that your efforts in protesting my office are misdirected. I agree that your stated goals of peace and social justice are worthy ones. War is a terrible thing that should only be undertaken in the most dire, extreme, and necessary of circumstances. However, war is made by politicians. The conflict in Iraq was ordered by the president and authorized by Congress. They are the ones who have the power to change the policy in Iraq, not members of the military. We execute policy to the best of our ability and to the best of our human capacity. Protesting in front of my office may be an easy way to get your organization in the headlines of local papers, but it doesn’t further any of your stated goals.

To conclude, I don’t consider myself a “recruiter.” I am a Marine who happens to be on recruiting duty. As such, I conduct myself in accordance with our core values of honor, courage, and commitment. I will never sacrifice my honor by lying to anyone that walks into my office. I will never forsake the courage that it takes to restrain myself in the face of insulting and libelous labels like liar and traitor. And, most importantly, I will never waver from my commitment to helping individuals who desire to serve their country as officers in the Marine Corps.



Captain Richard Lund is the United States Marine Corps’ officer selection officer for the northern Bay Area.
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