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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:37 PM
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U.S.: Iran must confess to nuclear arms.
Source: Yahoo news

"The U.S. on Friday demanded that Iran confess to trying to make atomic weapons, suggesting that anything short of that would doom an International Atomic Energy Agency probe of Tehran's nuclear past."
...
"Schulte said the 'measure for progress is whether Iran fully discloses its past weapons work and allows IAEA inspectors to verify it's halted.'"



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080215/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_iran_12



Here we go again.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:39 PM
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1. Nobody expects the Dubya Inquisition!
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:52 PM
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19. He gave Iraq a turn.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:40 PM
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2. Didn't the cheney junta have DimSon say basically same to Saddam re WMD?
They know a country can't prove a negative and they use it as proof a war is justified.

Take them to the Hague.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:41 PM
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3. Yeah, and didn't Saddam eventually haul out some
defunct missiles and try to destroy them as proof of his willingness to comply with U.S. demands? It did him no good, and it will do Iran no good either.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:42 PM
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4. Remember, if they're a witch, they float, but if they're innocent, they drown.
Either way, we're bombing Iran. And then we'll have to stay in Iraq, to maintain a base of operations.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:43 PM
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5. Perfect analogy. Thanks. n/t
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:45 PM
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6. They've* lied so much they* have lost credibility on every issue.
The could do the World a favor by crawling in a hole and staying there for 25 years.

I can't think of an issue that they* can talk about and people would even care.

The rest of the World dealt with terrorism for more than 50 years. Yet, Bush* thinks that it only happened to us. The rest of the World has learned to live with it. Most Americans would prefer to also.
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Blackdog4241 Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:45 PM
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7. World...
U.S. must confess War Crimes.:mad:
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:56 PM
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8. "So if she weighs as much as a duck, she's made of wood, and therefore . . .
A WITCH!!!!

Gotta love the creative convoluted logic of the Bush Administration.

:sarcasm:
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:57 PM
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9. BACK to the iran gambit?
silly threats and childish demands redux?

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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:02 PM
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10. The regular terrorists don't scare us any more.
Maybe the "nucular" threat presented by Iran will send us all scuttling for duct tape again... and maybe McCain will start to look good.

Uh, no.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:05 PM
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11. This administration has no refractory period. n/t
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 06:10 PM by BadgerKid
Edit: title
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:10 PM
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12. Iran isn't scared of the US.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:27 PM
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16. Neither was Iraq
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:17 PM
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27. Actually Iraq was scared of us.
Which is why they dismantled all the programs they had that could possibly justify an invasion, opened their facilities up to another round of UN inspections, wrote up an extensive report cataloging all that they had done to dismantle their weapons programs (which report remains secret to this day) and it seems Saddam even offered to go into exile. All to no avail. We were going to get our war on no matter what.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:15 PM
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13. Just like with Iraq, they want Iran to prove a negative
I still can't believe they've gotten away with it for the last 7 years.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:17 PM
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14. PLEAESE SHUT THE FUCK UP, bUSH'S AMERICA!!!
Gawd fucking DAMN already!

We're total fools in the eyes of the entire world. MUST these bastards keep going??!

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:21 PM
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15. Confess? What is this shit, the Inquisition?
When are we going to confess our war crimes in Iraq?
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:45 PM
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17. crim son
crim son

Bush, the administration and thee PNAC group of people WANT WAR WITH IRAN. very Easy istent it?.. Even if NIE and th IAEA have no Prof of Iran making Nuclear Weapon they want to play that game... But I do hope that this time, the armed forces of US are telling their political masters to stop before the breaking point are coming to all to se.. US have still a almost all-powerfully army and air force.. Don't show it to be less than everyone believe it to be... That can be a dangerous move

Yes US can blow Irani nuclear installation to hell.. But you REALLY believe this administration want to get China and Russia on the wrong side of things?.. Think if China just stop bankroll US debt... US can be broke in a few short months then...

What have US come to represent in the world.. How really, really sad.. :cry:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:59 PM
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21. No worries about your English.
To be honest, I don't know what to believe about this administration. Their actions defy logic. In fact, that is the only thing I've come to know for sure, that they will do the wrong thing and not the right thing.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:28 PM
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22. crim son
crim son

True. This Administration of your, is horrible.. It have been a nightmare for the last 7 year, and I just wait for the day, when mr Bush and CO are out.. And the next president have to CLEAN UP what damage mr Bush have been doing for US since 2000.. The fine reputation as a stall mark of Democracy and Freedom. And to have the moral high ground, even that we know US have a less stellar record when it come to it... But after 7 year, you cant even try to teach other how to behave, your country are branded as "the evil" in many parts of the world.. And in the part you still have some support, the US are acting as they still have all the support and still have the moral high ground.. US are even threatened to stop support NATO because the un-willingness from many NATO nations to bankroll and send their "finest" to the southern part of Afghanistan...

This Administration are just horrible.. And I pray for the day when mr Bush are been send to prison, and the US can work together with us, to rebuild what is in ruins.. But it Will take a long time to do that, I am afraid.. And the next president have to be one of the greatest president you have had, after WW2... To unite both US itself, and unite friends under the same banner.. We want to be friends with you, we want to be allied with you. But US have to act different, because the current administration have just ruined what was once a great friendship, and a great Alliance between US and Europe...

And that is maybe the most sad part.. :cry:

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language
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Deny and Shred Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:46 PM
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25. China and Russia are the key , yes.
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 08:49 PM by Deny and Shred
Obviously, BushCo has already bitten off more than they can chew, but that has never stopped them before, and with four years (hopefully many, many more) staring them in the face, who would put it past them to make another profit grab - Iran's oil. This has the added bonus of polarizing the US populace, and giving McCain a better chance.
Russia is NOT happy about the missile shield, I watched Putin's last 'State of the Union' type speech, and he was in good spirits for the whole thing, except for the Polish woman who asked how Russia ought to respond to the missile shield bases in Poland. Russia is also putting a reactor online in Iran.
China is just ramping up economically, and NEEDS energy. Both countries have developed stronger ties with Iran since Bush took office.
France had the biggest oil contracts in Iraq pre-war, and were helpless to stop the HAL anschluss.
I know that Bush (41) was more than happy to invade Somalia in his last month in office to provide a military headache to Clinton, but Iran is the wrong target, especially in light of the recent NIE.
We will have zero help abroad, well maybe the UK, but the wrong neighborhood, with strained relations with allies already, halfway around the globe, with a force stretched thin and exhausted and many units hoping to go home. Forget the fresh Russian and Chinese units available, they can just arm those pissed in the Middle East, and pay us back for Afghanistan in the 80's, or worse.


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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:03 PM
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28. Deny and Shred
Deny and Shred

This administration, have absolutely bitten of more than they can chew, as you so nicely pointed it out. And if US have to have a Democratic president for many year to come, the PNAC "will" of destroy what is left of the international community and international LAW be in Jeopardy. If mr Bush was to attack Iran, under false pretext, as they was doing over Iraq in 2003, say just mounts away from the fact that he are out of office anyway then the next president have his hand pretty well tied togeter... And I doubt that it Will end with a party in Tehran.. If anything is for sure, the iranians are _not_ Iraqi and Will fight to the bitter end in very many cases. And the Iran population have been in a "siege" mood in many year now.. Ca since the revolution in 1979... If US get another war in the Middle east I would not be surprised that many of the country who are now "allied" with US in the area would broke free and send the american soldiers packing, or fleeing for their life...

The US missile shield, and the putting of long range radar systems in tHe Tsjekkian Republic and in Poland must be very provoked from the Russian view of thing.. I should believe that Condi Rice with all the knowledge she have on Russian history, and how the inner working in the political landscape are. Should never try to provoke Russia that way.. And if anything in history are to be learned about, is it that Russia have GOD reason to have a paranoid view of the world, specially when it come to this type of things.. This is no less than a hefty provocation to se how Russia would act.. And I would believe that in the Russian arsenal, the drawing boards with plans over what to do, if that or this happened are full of destroying radar stations in the Tsjekkick Republic and in Poland already.. And if the reason for building this type of system was to counter danger from country like North-Korea or Iran, other places in the world would be more suitable for building that type of systems.. And I am afraid that the Russian answer to all this would not be in US best interest.. Or in NATOs best interest.. We know already that Russia have used a lot more time to the long range aircraft.. Both the old venerable TU95 Bear and in less content the more modern TU160 Blackjack. Both capable of flying non-stop from bases in Russia to the US mainland. With or without nuclear weapon. And even with just ordinary Weapon both TU160 Blackjack and TU95Bear are two aircraft the US airforce and naval forces should be very afraid about... They may not be new, but they have proven to be more dangerous than many other military forces Russia have had lately.. And they are under way to modernize the whole russian military system.. After 15 year with neglect..

When it come to Iran, who both Russia and China have a lot of interest US can not do as they please every time.. Even if Russia and China was to pull back some when it come to support the iranian government.. The working friendship with both China and Russia are pretty deep been with the iranian government. The fact that the reactors are russian are just one of the cases. But I am afraid that Russia, if an american attack was coming was not just sitting there and let subject of Russia been killed.. I fear that Russia would give Iran everything equipment to defend their airspace, in a few days if US was to attack Iran.. Not just SAM missiles, which Russia have good experience with killing US aircraft with. But fighters and so on. And Iran have a pretty modern armory itself, Maybe not that advanced, but they have a lot of factory, and are not helpless Vitim's of US air force.. A Iraq was in 2003.. Long before US bombed Iraq in 2003, the Iranian armed forces was building up both knowledge and equipment to use start of the art SAM, and Surface to Sea missiles. Many of them are russian in design, but they are still dangerous.. very dangrous...

France was the bogyman when it come to Iraq. We all known about the "freedom fries" and other silly things that was not doing US no good. And the US have definitely punished France for the NO that Chirac gave the United States before the illegal war against Iraq.. But Chirac, and others maybe the last to laf, after the dust have been removed from all the lie what was before the WAR. and specially AFTER the war..

The last NIE from November last year, have to be little of a sc hock for the current administration in US.. The fact that Iran was _NOT_ pursuing a nuclear bomb, was something mr Bush, and the mob behind him was just not thinking about. The fact is that mr Bush and CO are made a enemy who the enemy was not. If US really was to fight the extremist, they should given a much more scrutiny about another Country, the Saudi-Arabian Kingdom, who have educated hound res of thousands of terrorist and extremist over the last 50 year or so.. Even today the school box of S-A are full of hatred both to Israel and to the West.. But I have not seeing US told in a stearn voice that S-A have to reform, or take the full konsequence...

I really doubt even UK would help you against Iran this time around. Mr Brown are not that happy about sending armed forces abroad I am afraid. If US was to attack Iran in any form or shape, US would be in it wherry alone.. I doubt US would not even manage to bribe some 3 world country who have no military or talking about, to "support" in name the war.. They may maybe bully some country, who are totally in the hands of US but I doubt US would fine a grand coalition to fight Iran...

Many generals in Russia, who was young offices in the Afghan war would be so happy if the russian was going to give green light to sell what Russia have to afford to Iran or other middle eastern country.. US was arming and selling Islamic extremist anything they wanted, or needed in the 1980s..Even a (then) young man named Osma Bin Laden are reported to be given a lot of hard cash from US because he was so god of bankrolling extremists... And after 1989 when the last soviet troops was leaving Afghanistan, broken after 8 year with a war they was not capable of winning. The same man was finding out that the next move was.. To send the "infidels" home packing.. But he was not capable of that, and today the not so young man, are one of the top 10 enemies of US.. The man CIA educated in terror, and was given a lot of money to go to war against the soviet occupation.. O YES many russian generals and political would be so happy to get even with US about that... But for the moment, they are not doing that.. But if Mr Putin was to give green light, you Will find a lot of hi-tech russian made weapon coming across the Irani border, to defend the Islamic Republic of Iran against the mighty US military.. And Iran as a country are not the rolling plains that is Iraq... It is a hilly country, full of places to hide and attack when the other part are not shooting...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:48 PM
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18. I swear the man is going to start bombing iran before he leaves office.
It's a gift to haliburton.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:31 PM
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23. superconnected
superconnected

Maybe in the last day of office. So he is SURE that the next president, if he are a democract have to work it out and blow the Irani out of the water, to be on the "secure side of things":. He may even use small nuclear devices just to get the worlds attention... Mr Bush, and more to the point them who are between the trhone are dangrous pepole who NEED to be named, and given the whole PHOTOGRAP out in the open.. When that happend, they have no power, and they can fall as the criminals they are...

But that is maybe to mutch to hope for?

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:54 PM
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20. Confess ye witch!
They float on oil, they must be witches.
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:44 PM
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24. Maybe they can waterboard them into confession
It'll be just as effective at getting at the truth as it is with "terr'ists".
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:14 PM
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26. Gosh this sounds familiar. nt.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:40 AM
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29. Where's that picture of that guy with the headache..
that says "Not this shit again"?
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