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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:54 PM
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Democrats want to redefine McCain. It won't be pretty
Source: McClatchy News

WASHINGTON — John McCain has a reputation as a straight-talking maverick who appeals to the independent voters who can tip the balance in this fall's presidential election.

Democrats don't want to run against that John McCain. They hope to introduce a different McCain: a war-hungry flip-flopper who offers nothing more than a third term for George W. Bush.

"We've got to define him . . . undermine his image of being a maverick," said John Lapp, a Democratic strategist who's unaffiliated with any presidential campaign. "Before he gets the Republican Death Star behind him, before he gets moneyed up, we've got to kill this guy in the crib."

More accurately, Democrats want to "redefine" McCain. After four terms in the U.S. Senate, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee has forged a well-known reputation as a conservative with occasional progressive views on campaign finance, climate change, immigration and embryonic stem-cell research.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/28212.html
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:56 PM
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1. being an independent, I'm always insulted when I hear how independents like McCain
especially after he's spent 8 years with his nose up Bushies Butt. I know other independents who feel the same way. So this straw-man of the elusive "independent" voter is a bit of a mystery to me.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:02 PM
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6. You are a left-leaning indy, though. The right leaners like him. NT
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:06 PM
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7. My dad would have voted for McCain if McCain had been the nominee in 2000
He couldn't stand Bush so he voted for Gore and then Kerry in the 2000 and 2004 elections.

If it wasn't for McCain's take on the Iraq War I figure he'd vote for McCain this year around.

This is the independent voter that McCain's looking for and is hoping to still grab although he's SOL re: my father.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:59 PM
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2. straight-talking maverick?
When I think of straight talking, I think of someone telling me the truth, telling things like they are regardless if it is good or bad news.
When I think of maverick, I think of someone who shoot from the hip figuratively, they can't be trusted to stay with a program and my go off on a whim.

Do those two terms even go together?

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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:56 AM
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19. To me, a maverick is someone who won't toe the party line.
I thought Romney was a maverick. Weld was definitely a maverick. What's with Massachusetts!?!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:01 PM
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3. about time
been screaming about this for the past couple of weeks

MCCAIN = MORE OF THE SAME
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:01 PM
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4. That is going to be an interesting trick. Push too hard and it will look manufactured.
This kind of overblown and dramatic (and babykilling) rhetoric is unhelpful and will be used against us in the general:

"We've got to define him . . . undermine his image of being a maverick," said John Lapp, a Democratic strategist who's unaffiliated with any presidential campaign. "Before he gets the Republican Death Star behind him, before he gets moneyed up, we've got to kill this guy in the crib."

No wonder this guy is "unaffiliated" with anyone.

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RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:45 PM
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11. Ah, but the sentiment is welcome
after 8 years of wimpy "leadership" I'm glad to hear there may be some serious fighting this time around. Something the Dems needed to learn from the Repukes.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:02 PM
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5. Mac already has the ReThug Death Stars behind him
too late
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:35 PM
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8. Republicans want to makeover McCain, he will be so pretty.
Sweater vests and flip flops are in this year! Accessorize with harsh interrogation clips!
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:42 PM
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9. A picture is worth a thousand words
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:46 PM
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12. Looks like he's making a grab for W's junk
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:42 PM
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10. NOT AS HARD AS YOU THINK!
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inMD Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 04:02 PM
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13. I disagree
Though McCain may have good general appeal....so does Obama (and it increasingly looks like he'll be ours). And McCain has a lot of negatives that Obama does not have. It's his to win and frankly after Bush, I'm not too worried about this one, people want a change (If it was Hillary, with all that baggage, all the haters, I'd be more worried.)

You'll have a tough time painting McCain as far right. But an easy time painting him as "more of the same"..."he represents the establishment"..."he's been in for years and had years to solve our problems and hasn't".

We need fresh, new, people with new ideas. Obama is young (ok still older than me), vibrant, full of energy, yes even "hope and change", and a great speaker. Can you say any of that about McCain? Frankly, even the far right will not pony up $$$ to support McCain, so I wouldn't even concern myself too much with him getting moneyed up.

John Lapp is a Democratic strategist and he thinks it'd be good to use language like "Republican Death Star". Thank God we have a great orater who brings people together like Obama...John Lapp, people don't want to hear that crap, they are looking for a change (or did you miss the whole primary season).

Just my opinion.
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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:10 PM
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14. I'm so happy...
McCain is the guy for the Republicans this election. He's the reason my parents who have never voted for a Democrat in any elected office since I've been alive (I'm 33) will vote for Barak Obama (if he wins the nomination). If Hilary wins, my folks said they won't even vote. Either way, I'm happy.

See, ya have to understand why this is a big deal for me. These are the people that I pleaded with to vote for Kerry in 2004. They wouldn't because he was "too damn smug," whatever the hell that meant. I printed out tons of information about Kerry from links here on DU (from reputable newspaprer, tv and magazine sources) and took it to them to read so they could make an informed decision in 2004. My mom, without even looking at it, dropped it the garbage can in front of me sating, "I'm not going to read that shit." And here they are, wanting to vote for Obama.

And the Republicans did this to themselves. My parents hate the Clintons thanks to the Right Wing Smear machine from back when Slick Willy was in office. They dislike McCain because of the Right Wing Smear Machine during the 2000 Republican Primary. That brainwashing has been so thorough that they cannot accept either Clinton or McCain as good people. And they can't even tell you why they don't like them. They just don't. So now here they are willing to vote for Obama.

Even more so, this is huge for my folks. They're a wee bit racist. I mean, they don't hate black people but they see no problem with the "N" word. To them, that was just a word another word for black. I grew up in a back water, hick, coal cracker town in NE Pennsylvania where I never saw a person of color in real life until I went to college in Philly. And that was the mentallity of the region where I grew up. It was a 100% white community; a Polish, Russian, Slovak, Ukranian area with a bit of Itallian tossed in for flavor. See, the people from my neck of the woods never confronted race issues because there were no minorities. No one ever stood up and said the "N" word was wrong to them, so they never saw a problem with using it. I mean, after years of working on them, I finally convinced them to stop using the word around me and my family. They refuse to say African American, though. They hate political correctness. Heck, in my little hick town, the Pols call each other Pollacks, so PC ideas kinda escape the whole region. And to just further illustrate the mind set of the area I grew up in, my parents practically disowned my becasue I was going to marry a Protestant. I'm Catholic. Oh, the horror.

That's the way their parents raised them. And the way their grandparents raised their parents. And the way their great grandparents raised their grandparents. Blacks stay with blacks. Slovaks hang with Slovaks. Itallians stay with Itallians. Catholics stick with Catholics. So while I get pissed at them and argue over the sheer idiocy of that mentallity, I can't hate them for having those ideas; ideas that have been hammered so hard into their heads for most of their 75 plus years on this earth, that it's almost impossible to undo it. And that's why it's amazing to me that they both want to see Obama Barak in the White House. I'm amazed, proud and confused all at the same time.

Thank you, John McCain.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:17 PM
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15. McSame.
His many words in support of boosh have to be dropped on his bloated head at every opportunity.
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:29 PM
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16. Redefine? More like expose the myth for what it is
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:35 PM
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17. Dems will shoot themselves in the foot. Depend on it.
It's easy to "redefine" McCain. You point out what a raving lunatic he is -- often one step away from meltdown. You can support this with audio and video; there are bound to be plenty of tapes of him going into hysterics.

Unfortunately, he'll play the war hero card for every nutcase card laid down by the Dems. Guess which card trumps the other?

Big vulnerabilities loom. First is the one created by the defense Dems -- that Lieberman/Clinton auxiliary of the Pentagon. They've made reflexive obedience to empire so central to the party's ethos that it'll serve McCainism. They may even defect to him publicly.

Second, Iraq is lost. And the dolchstosselegende stuff will be flying furiously. Even a public that's sick of war will want someone to be the scapegoat for it. The pro-empire Dems won't be able to assuage public rage with technocratic bullshit, and they won't have the balls to end the war. So paradoxically, even as it runs a virulently pro-war candidate, the right will be able to take advantage.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:35 PM
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18. It won't be pretty, but it can be easy.
Define him as having the worst qualities of both Georgie AND Reagan.

:headbang:
rocknation
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