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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 07:31 PM Original message |
Chavez rejects independence of Kosovo, blames US |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. wonder if the US would settle with California rejoining Mexico? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It does seem like they have opened a can of worms here. nt |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. well, I don't recall much world opposition to the break up of the Soviet Union |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. England essentially did, and we invaded Canada in retaliation |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. think Dakota |
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OKthatsIT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. US is to blame, but Chavez is no angel |
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pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Chavez is completely Correct |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. That's quite a statement, especially the categorical part about |
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pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Are you serious? |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Perhaps you can be a bit more specific. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Yes, you're right. Technically Kosovo's independence is an illegal act. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Kosovo is not a signatory to the U.N. Charter. The actions of the U.S. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It could easily be argued that the Kosovar government itself isn't legitimate. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Thank you...very insightful. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. yeah, but who is going to determine the legality of the government if not Kosovars? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The same could be said for any territory. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. there are currently countries having historical claims on their former territories |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. "We just turned Serbia/Kosovo into a political duplicate of North and South Korea."? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. I have the rare misfortune of having *been* there |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. We'd be the United Colonies right now if the UN existed back in the day. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Asia would be populated by white settlers by now if the atom bomb existed in the 1500s. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Chavez is a big fan of Simón Bolívar |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. That's a joke, right? |
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Mik T (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Ahh- But Venezuela was not a region inside Spain was it? |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
78. Heh. Or for that matter, South Florida, Boston, or El Paso. |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:39 AM Original message |
"The lid is on that kettle for a reason. " ? supression is freedom ? |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
83. delete double post |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. I bet Latin America would accept an independent Puerto Rico, Cuba advocates it |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
45. The KLA, from the very beginning, has been a proxy army for the CIA. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
60. Puerto Rico status is not that a state |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
84. The people of PR won't vote against leaving the welfare roles of the US |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. The US couldn't hold a coalition together in Iraq |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Apples and oranges. The "coalition" involved expense and death. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. yeah but it doesn't imply a US plot either as Chavez claims |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I'd say that recent events prove otherwise |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Is NATO out of Kosovo? n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. NATO wasn't "in" Kosovo that much |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Operation Joint Guard / NATO. I found it but can't find out if |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I was in Joint Guard and Joint Forge |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
77. 16000 NATO troops in Kosovo |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. That's the "murkiness" I mentioned |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. Your last paragraph is ridiculous. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
56. Yes, he can explain it... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. What do Tandja Mamadou, and Rafael Correa think? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. you know if Chavez blessed this the disciples would fall in line |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. For all the talk of the cult of Obama, the cult of Chavez is greater |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Like he doesn't now? n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
63. No kidding... |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. Where do you come up with this crap? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
70. Not as his "disciple" but a supporter, if he "blessed it" ... |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
22. Never mind what Hugo says, the USA is saying it's ok for part of a country to "be independent", no? |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
23. You tell 'em Chavez! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
25. OK, Hugo, I've gone to bat for you before... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-21-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. never misses an opportunity to bash the US, that's why |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I suspect that at bottom this is about Bolivia and the so called |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. That shit is still going on? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It's ramping up, actually. A great reason to go back to school |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I suspect you are delusional. the world doesn't revolve around Chavez and his buddies |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I really don't know if you simply can't read or if you can't reason. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Chavez is talking to get anyone's attention |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You seem to care quite a bit. Enough to insult him and me |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. no-one cares what he says about Kosovo |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. "Imaginary conspiracy"? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. and your obsession with Rumsfeld and Chavez relates to Kosovo how? |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. You called this Kosovo ref by Chavez "yet another imaginary conspiracy." I was responding |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
79. Usually, I can't make heads or tails of his drivel. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Seperatist Santa Cruz has been a hotbed of the worst possible racism for decades. Here's a look at |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Here's the quote from the article where that information appeared, for one instance: |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Bingo |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Thank you, SFexpat2000! That IS what this is about--Bolivia! |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
87. Rumsfeldian fruit? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
61. I have got to bat for him too, but not this time, Kosovo should be independant(n/t) |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:09 AM Response to Original message |
47. Given what Kosovars had to endure under the Serbs - |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. 'Clown," "scumbag," "buffoon," "dictator," "tyrant"--why don't you use all |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. He is an hispanic Bush |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. I hope you keep posting this baloney |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. You seem to have a difficult time dealing with opinions contrary |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
48. If Kosovo ought to be independent of Serbia-- |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
54. Once Again, Chavez is Right. Did America Accept the South's Secession? |
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freedomnorth (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Or Republic of Lakotah for that matter? nt. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. Did the North commit ethnic cleansing against the South |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
66. A country that commits ethnic cleansing against it's own people |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. The ethnic cleansing campaign was started by the Kosovar separatist groups in the 1980s... |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Yeah, and what that little group of Albanians managed to |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. "That little group of Albanians..." |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. I guess the way forward in the world is to simply ignore what |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
68. So.. I wonder.... If bushco was against Kosovo independence....Would Chavez be for |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. If you knew anything about Chavez, Kosovo or DU |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. LOL |
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