Illegal Immigrant Charged With Homicide in Deadly Minnesota School Bus Crash

[RamboLiberal]

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331989,00.html

MINNEAPOLIS — A woman who authorities say is in the country illegally and using an alias was charged Friday with four counts of criminal vehicular homicide and two lesser charges in a school bus crash that killed four children.

A woman who identified herself as Alianiss Nunez Morales, 23, of Minneota, was driving a van that failed to stop at a stop sign Tuesday before hitting a bus carrying 28 students from Lakeview School, Lyon County Attorney Richard Maes said. The accident happened near the small town of Cottonwood, in southwestern Minnesota.

Morales was also charged with a stop sign violation and for driving without a valid license, Maes said.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents are trying to figure out the woman's true identity. Claude Arnold, ICE special agent in charge of investigations, said his agency believes Morales is an illegal immigrant. ICE has filed paperwork to detain her for deportation proceedings after the criminal case is resolved.

Read more: Fox News

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Bet this one is going to be used by the Repukes in their illegal immigrant demagoguery!

[brentspeak]

1. Then this would be the n-teenth-thousanth time an illegal immigrant killed our citizens by car

These incidents have been occurring all around the nation for years.

It shouldn't be a Republican or Democratic issue: there needs to be serious (for once) border control, and the deportation of any illegal immigrant who's likely to be a danger to citizens.

[williesgirl]

2. I agree with you.

[peacetalksforall]

6. Wanna do sometihing? Go after the corporations and businesses who

want them here. Can't to that? Then use logic. What is she was using a cell phone? Then she was equally guilty to children and grand children of immigrants who also use cell phones. She probably didn't cause the accident because of her blood line.

I am one who gets ticked about Murican attacks on people who are mostly quite sincere, honest, and even more conscientions about obeying laws that some of our own carefree drinkers and macho kids.

DU has changed.

[dysfunctional press]

9. the point is she's not here legally- so she shouldn't have driving in the first place.

and the only reason that they're "even more conscientious" about obeying laws(except the one that supposedly prevents them from being here) is because if they are caught for something, they're likely to be deported.
i've been struck several times by illegals- i've had two cars totaled by them. the most recent accident involved my van being rammed by an suv packed with illegals trying to flee the scene of another accident they had just caused. 5 people in the suv, NONE of them had any i.d., or spoke any english.

[peacetalksforall]

17. Of course they will be deported and the reason for not breaking laws. I live

within neighborhoods full of recent immigrants and probably illegals. I feel safe.

The emphasis is on recent. Our near ancestors were immigrants unless some here are first nation residents.

The big problem with this issue is that we all forget that our near ancestors were immigrants. Native Americans are much more modest about who owns and owned the land than superior acting Muricans.

The problem is decades old. For decades Mexicans, Guatmalans, Salvadorians, etc. felt OK by default - they got jobs and business owners enjoyed their profits. Now, we're going through another period of hate just as the Chinese, Japanese, Irish, and many people have gone through.

We are stubbornly not looking at the logic and a logical way out of reversing this as long as the corporations love it.

We can't allow the hate and yelling for a situation we created. The people we're talking about are right at the top of a culture that is all about family, loyalty, hard work, modesty, etc.

[dysfunctional press]

22. your post seemed to imply that they were concientious of laws because of a higher sense of morality-

and i was trying to point out that if that were the case, they wouldn't be here in the first place.

i'm well aware that the problem is decades old- i'm from a suburb 30-some miles west of chicago, and we've had problems in our community with illegal hispanics since at least the 70's, when i was in high school.

it seems also that a lot of them aren't all that interested in becoming part of our society anyway- some of them are just looking to live under the radar long enough to save up as much as they can until they return to their homes in mexico or other points south.

and even though ALL of us are descended from immigrants to this continent, even in the recent past- that was then, and this is now. we have built and developed a society, and part of that society are the laws. and the laws regarding immigration and immigration quotas are part of those laws. just because vast numbers of immigrants have been allowed at times in the past, it doesn't justify or mean that vast numbers should be allowed now. that's just the reality of the situation.

it seems as though one of the best ways to start to solve the current problem is by cracking down on those that would employ the illegal work force- but in a way that doesn't drive yet even more and more employers out of the country.

and as far as being "right at the top of a culture that is all about family, loyalty, hard work, modesty, etc."- if more of them used more of those traits to build the economy/society of their home countries, maybe there wouldn't be a reason for them to come here.

[peacetalksforall]

25. I couldn't be further from you on this issue. We let them come we can't

make criminals of them on the turn of a dime. We should help them to get this straightened out. They suffer so they can work.

They adapt very well. I am smiling all the time at the little and big things I observe - whether learning the laws and bureacracy for opening a business to talking to the person behind the counter at an office supply store about making business cards or flyers for a cleaning service or awning repair or whatever.

I am proud of the way they assimilate.

If groups of us were 'exiled for jobs', I can just see us learning the language overnight and setting up take out and delivery pizza shops.

Everyone one of us partner in the outcome and solutions of a system that lured, promoted, and looked the other way for decades.

Now, its the turn of Mexicans and Moslems to be hated within our borders.

The little people of the world don't deserve what we dish out at them.

[dysfunctional press]

29. they made criminals out of themselves-

by coming here illegally.

if they're really as hardworking and adaptive as you say- why don't they do the hard work of developing their own societies in their own countries? :shrug:

[AlphaCentauri]

36. can they adapt when they are rejected?

immigrants who are rejected can't assimilate to the culture of the land. can't see this immigrants entering bars or restaurants where whites hung out in S. Carolina.
They could do the hard work to develop their countries but their countries are so dependant of external interest that they have lost much of their Independence. As we can see, it is much important to us that exxon get its 12 billions dollars than some poor people in latin america get free health care or free college education. Immigrants are willing to run the risk of been considered criminals to survive in this global market.

[dysfunctional press]

41. nobody "adapts" to all parts of american society anyway- even americans.

illegals who come here and stay here do so by choice. they know the conditions they face, and they know what they can do to fit into the society- some of them choose to do more to fit in, others do not. it's not the responsibility of the 'host' society to adapt to those immigrants, illegal or otherwise, who chose not to adapt to it themselves.

[AlphaCentauri]

48. together but separate

of course everybody that came to America did it by choice except African Americans.

When segregation is part of a host society there is little change that those strange foreigner get incorporated into it. Immigrants have to adapt according to the different cultural manifestations in the neighborhoods they leave. With out the opportunity and acceptance those immigrants won't adapt to the host society.

See when they get an opportunity they become part of the society.
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hmn/W07/feature1.cfm

[theHandpuppet]

53. Were you serious when you said this?

"Of course everybody that came to America did it by choice except African Americans."

I mean that as a sincere question. Is that what you truly believe or were you being sarcastic?

[Maine-ah]

58. I'm gonna second that question

because if you are serious you need to go back to history class.

[joeglow3]

61. I have a hard time smiling

in regards to what illegal immigrants did to my family. My father was a drywaller, which is the number 2 employer of illegals, behind farming. We as a country led millions of illegals in and they entered the drywalling professions, thereby causing wages to PLUMMET (Grapes of Wrath anyone???). Then years later, millions MORE are flooding in and people like you state “they work the jobs Americans won’t.” That is bullshit. They drove down the wages to the point that no American can raise a family on it.

If you were consistent with your views, you would support the exporting of jobs because Chinese will work the jobs Americans won’t. The reality is that they will work the jobs for slave wages that Americans can’t and won’t work for. It is the EXACT same thing with illegal immigration.

[devilindisguise]

44. Decent immigrants come to America legally

My paternal ancestors have been here since early times, not quite back to the Mayflower, but way back. However my grandmother came here from Europe. She had to go through Ellis Island, she had to have a physical to ensure she was not carrying a disease, or head lice, bedbugs, etc. These people are spreading disease, and many fancy hotels now are infested with bedbugs. It is a terrible situation such as I've never seen. America is not large enough to support everyone who wants to come here legally either. Can we let all the Chinese come here - legally or illegally? of course we can't. We don't have the financial resources, or the land resources for billions of people. Let them make their own free countries. That would be my suggestion. I do wish someone would come out and run for president who would be willing to nip these lawbreakers in the bud. Don't send them back to their country of origin.
Toss them in the slammer with other lawbreakers for a month or two. Then deport them. If they come back toss them in the slammer for 6 months. They will soon get the idea.

[AlphaCentauri]

49. I'm in, close the door behind me

There should be a better way to deal with this problem.

[devilindisguise]

43. Why do they come here and get welfare checks

Why? They also get free health care. One can hardly get in an emergency room anymore because of all the illegals taking their kids who have the sniffles to the ER. My mom gave me a handkerchief for the sniffles. They are leeches sopping up the riches that our ancestors fought in many wars to bring about. If they are so "hard working" why do they draw welfare checks, food stamps, and run to the ER for free health care - as I said sometimes for a case of sniffles - while cancer patients wait behind them? Dont bother to tell me they don't get food stamps. I've been behind them in line while the poor cashier has to transact with them. It literally takes forever to get through the line when you get behind and illegal with two or three kids. Also their kids run wild in the store. They need to ovethrow their own government and the rich Spaniards who rule their land, instead of taking what I have worked for, what my ancestors have worked and fought for, to achieve a future for AMERICAN children.

[Maine-ah]

59. how do you even know that the people in front of you at the

grocery store are here illegally? You ask? They tell you? Or is it just because their skin is dark, and they speak a different language than you that they must be here illegally?

This country obviously has a problem with illegal immigration, and it needs to be fixed, but it needs to start with the demand and not the supply.

[devilindisguise]

72. We haven't had any Mexican's around my area

until the Bush became president. If these young Mexican's I see - 19, 20, 21 or so, are here legally they should be able to speak English. They are required to go to school you know. If they've been here long enough to become legal under our immigration laws, or if they were born here and are now 18, 19, 20, 21 - they should be able to speak English. I know quite a bit actually about the illegals in my area, and other areas (because of friends in other areas). Yes, I've been held up in line at the grocery store because of food stamp use, and the lack of communication because they can't speak English. I saw a little Mexican girl a few days ago in the store. About 2 years old. She was speaking English clearly. I would assume she was born here, and that maybe her parents were born here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. How did you know she was Mexican?

Did you ask her? Or do you assume all brown skinned people are Mexican?

You do realize she may have been Puerto Rican, which means she is 100% American. They speak English there too. BUt they aren't Mexican.

[devilindisguise]

83. It's pretty easy for me to tell who is who

I'm very artistic, and study faces, body language and all the other characteristics of people. I'm in a pretty white area, and we don't have many Peurto Ricans here. The guy from Peru who killed someone a few months ago did not look anything like a Mexican. I live near a really large city in a wealthy suburb. The really large city has a very large Mexican community that is spreading this way. I really don't think they can afford to move into my neighborhood because we don't have rent houses. I have worked with many people from Guatemala - and you know Mexicans are like American Indians. The spaniards bred with Mexico's Indians and made Mexicans when they invaded and conquered. So see if you can understand it this way. Most American Indians or Native Americans or whatever are different tribes. They look different. My spouse is part American Indian, not saying which one. He looks different from people in other tribes. I have never met a Puerto Rican in my state or any other state where I have lived before. I think that since Puerto Rico is sort of ours, and sort of not ours. They voted against becoming a state, I believe - years ago. But if we have a big war, and a draft they will have to fight, because they have a lot of benefits from the USA. This is one reason I think so many people come here illegally. They do not want to fight in our wars, and if they are here illegally, well of course then they would be "under-cover" and wouldn't have to be drafted. I think that most people are pretty sure the draft is going to be reinstituted. If that happens and I see some illegal out roofing houses, or doing work my son could be doing I will report them to the draft board. They won't fight for their own country, why fight for mine.

[Bill McBlueState]

62. some questions for you

1. Which wars did your ancestors fight in?

2. How did those particular wars result in "riches" for the US?

3. Do you have any moral qualms about making use of "riches" obtained through warfare?

4. Do you get to see the medical files of other people in the emergency room? Unless you do, it's not clear to me how you would know why someone is in the emergency room. Someone may have the "sniffles" but be in the emergency room for a more serious problem.

5. Of the people you have met in the emergency room, how many have been there because of cancer? It surprises me that people come to the emergency room for treatment of a chronic condition.

6. When you see a person use food stamps, how can you tell how hard that person works? Some PhD candidates, who work extremely hard but make very little money, qualify for food stamps. I do. Maybe you were in line behind a PhD candidate.

7. Which state are you in that makes it so hard for cashiers to handle food stamp transactions? In my state, you just slide a card through a reader, like you're using a debit or credit card.

8. If there are kids running wild in the store, how do you tell which adults are their parents? They must be far away from their parents to be "running wild."

9. Which government do the people in the store need to overthrow? Are they all from the same country?

10. How can you tell which people are American? Most people don't carry proof of citizenship.

That's a lot of questions, but you had a lot to say in your post.

[devilindisguise]

73. My ancestors have fought in all US wars.

Except perhaps the RW. Civil War, WW1, WW11, Korea, Viet Nam. Members of my family have fought in all of them. How about yours? If you reply. Then I'll go on to your next Question.

[Bill McBlueState]

87. I had a relative in ww ii

But that's not relevant. I'm not the one trying to claim something about myself based on my ancestors' participation in wars.

[rene moon]

64. This is the biggest load I've ever read on DU

Where do you people come from???????????????

[devilindisguise]

74. I was born in America

..and I believe in, and suport its laws. Where do you come from? I'm sick and tired of illegal immigrants getting preferential treatment over American Citizens. I have worked and paid taxes since I was 17 years old. I'm now retired, and I still pay taxes. Those taxes help pay for illegal immigrants who are here mostly from South American places, and I believe 90% are Mexican, if the statistics I read and hear are true. Americans of Mexican heritage don't believe in this "illegal stuff" either. It's hurting their children too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. Here, educate yourself

We benefit far more than we lose to the Hispanics in this country.

http://www.wecanstopthehate.org/site/page/myths_v_facts

[devilindisguise]

84. Thank you

But no. I don't gain anything from illegals. Let them come legally and stay home. Most people I know do not believe in breaking our laws. I'm wondering why you do, and why our politicians do? I do my own work, I always have with no help from any housekeeper, nanny. Those who hire illegals are tightwads who don't want to pay a living wage to a fellow American. And may they sizzle.

[gatlingforme]

54. yes, but recent illegal immigrants are depleting our welfare

funds which should go to peolple who really need it, not a bunch of effing losers who are pregnant and dont want a job, but a kid who is american and can get welfare cks that much easier.

[devilindisguise]

75. Not only that

But they can have a child here, and then go back to Mexico and still get welfare. I saw this on a documentary years ago when folks were riled up about illegals. So far it hasn't been disproved, and I assume it is still another burden on us as taxpayers.

[devilindisguise]

42. Illegals have zero rights

They come in here and drive without being tested. It's always the innocent victim who is killed in these incidents. If it is a drunk, a dopehead druggie, or and illegal immigrant, it is always aome innocent person who is killed. Or if not killed, in the case of illegals there is no money to pay hospital bills for the victim, because of course they don't have auto insurance. They have no rights, and especially no right to be here unless they are LEGAL immigrants.

[ChazII]

16. Arizona is trying to go after

the businesses. Voter passed a law that went into effect on Jan. 1, 2008. Courts are questioning this new law. Good points in your second paraagraph.

[barb162]

40. Conscientious about obeying laws? How about entering the US illegally?

If they're so conscientious, they should be applying to live here legally.

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. If she had a drivers license and insurance she would be easier to handle

I got rear ended by someone who was undocumented and he had no license, no child seat for his kid in the front seat, no insurance and he gave me bogus information. Same kind of thing, lesser injuries, but nonetheless, disallowing drivers license to undocumented immigrants creates a solution that is a greater problem than the initial problem.

[High Plains]

15. Are you really suggesting thousands of Americans have been killed...

...by bad illegal immigrant drivers? Maybe the n-teenth time, not the n-teenth-thousand.

Hyperbole is not very useful.

I would prefer to see comprehensive immigration reform.

[citizen snips]

18. but they build our houses.

[dysfunctional press]

30. not my house.

nt

[mitchum]

35. Nor do they clean my pool, landscape my yard, watch my children...

blah, blah, blah... or any of those other "vital services" that illegal immigrants provide
That won't stop the cheap labor liberals from their self-righteous hand wringing, though...

[citizen snips]

56. same here.

But the dirty little secret is we don't need cheap labor.

[devilindisguise]

76. Same here

I get so angry when those politicians (particularly) say they are raising my child. They would not be let near my child. I clean my own house. If a roofing crew shows up at my house with Mexican laborers their papers will be checked. Or they won't work. People had better wake up before it is too late.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. Why would you not let them near your child?

Is diversity that frightening to you?

[devilindisguise]

85. I want the best for my children

Their babysitters when I worked were always carefully vetted. It's hard to vet illegals. Has nothing to do with diversity per se, just legality. I am a law abiding citizen, but if illegals continue to come in and break laws then Americans should also be able to break laws with no penalties of any kind on any crime up to and including running down little children in a schoolbus, like this illegal in the original post. I can't remember if the post said or not, but it was reported on television that this woman was drunk. I would never hire an illegal, and neither should you. You only add to the problem tht is brewing of people wanting to take the law into their own hands as the Minutemen are doing, because the law is not doing its job.

[NaturalHigh]

24. Well stated.

[struggle4progress]

27. Auto accident death rates have reached historic low levels -- so maybe illegal immigrants

are making our roads safer

[barb162]

38. Agree with everything you're writing here.

GREAT post. My brother was almost killed by an illegal who happened to be drunk driving.

[Unvanguard]

50. And citizens never kill anyone by car?

You know, I'm sure women, blacks, gays, and left-handed people all kill people by car now and then... maybe we should deport them too?

(Not to mention men, whites, straight people, and right-handed people... hell, at this rate there won't be anyone left....)

[kickysnana]

3. I wonder why she was still here after the first accident last year?

I know the Business Administrator at this school and heard it is just devastating everyone. I didn't post this event on DU because I didn't want to stir that up. I googled the name (both ways because of the possibility of persons using mothers name or fathers name here. and only found an empty face-book account and another person in the New England area. Read this in the morning paper:

<snip>

Pastor Arnoldo Espinoza of Iglesia Apostolica in Cottonwood said that just because the woman is Hispanic doesn't mean an entire community should be blamed for the deaths.

"An accident can happen anywhere, anytime. It can be caused by anybody. This happened to be a Hispanic person. But that doesn't mean the whole Hispanic community has to be blamed," he said. "You can find bad people anywhere."

On Thursday, community members still seemed to focus on mourning, not assigning guilt.

<snip>

http://www.twincities.com/ci_8331228?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com&nclick_check=1

[dflprincess]

4. Because citizens or documented immigrants

never, never drive without a valid license and never, never cause accidents. :sarcasm:

This woman deserves everything the law can throw at her, but her immigration status is not the issue.

[RamboLiberal]

5. Yeah but we all know how this one tripped up both Hillary

and Eliot Spitzer last year.

[brentspeak]

7. Her immigration status is the issue

If she was prevented from getting in the United States, she wouldn't have been here to kill those children with her car. It's that simple.

We have enough criminal drivers here in the United States without having to incorporate countless illegal immigrants who are criminal drivers.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

8. And if all the people who ever caused accidents had never learned to drive

think of all the dead people who would still be alive. :eyes:

Makes as much sense as your assertion, Brentspeak.

[High Plains]

14. Her immigration status is the issue WITH YOU, perhaps.

I'm more concerned with the loss of life because of her alleged traffic violation (running a stop sign).

Trying to turn this tragedy into a soapbox for one's immigration views is pretty low.

[dflprincess]

21. According to the print edition of today's Minneapolis Star Tribune

until January of this year she was employed at the Jenn-O Turkey plant in Willmar, MN. Perhaps the real blame for this accident lies with the Hormel Company which owns Jenny-O and apparently encourages people to cross U.S. borders illegally by giving them jobs (I have heard that Hormel, as well as other U.S. companies actually advertise for workers in Mexico and Central America).

Strangely, this little tidbit about the driver is no longer part of the article on the Strib's website.

[AlphaCentauri]

37. Considering that many "legal" immigrants have auto accidents

but it's not a big deal if they are insured.

[Unvanguard]

51. Yes, and if we imprisoned every other child at five

we'd pre-emptively stop a whole lot of criminals, too.

Thankfully, we recognized a long time ago that justice and the rule of law demand that we punish people for actual wrongdoing, not for membership in particular groups.

:eyes:

[devilindisguise]

77. I agree with you

She broke not only driving laws, but immigration laws. I bet she broke other laws. She was driving drunk, driving without a license, in the country illegally. God only knows what these people will do here. They derned sure don't do it in Mexico and get away with it.

[JackintheGreen]

10. As a motorcyclist

we deal with this kind of crap all the time. Some idiot in an SUV fails to yield, or makes an illegal left, or crosses the centerline and maims or kills one (or more) of us. Then s/he gets off with a $50 fine for failure to yield or some such.

She should be charged with vehicular homicide or negligent homicide, or something, but her immigration status simply does not matter. Once she is convicted, then it becomes an issue for INS.

Of course, she WILL get convicted BECAUSE she is an illegal. If s/he were a 17 y.o. on a cell phone with a connected daddy, well, all bets are off.

(looking for a link...)

[liberal4truth]

19. Pretty 18 year old girl driver killed 4 bicyclists in 1995 in Marin, CA: got 10 Years Probation!

Thats not any kind of justice in my book.

She was a pretty girl from a well-connected family who was reaching for a CD when she ran down and killed all four cyclists who were in the correct bike lane/path when she killed them.

A 50 year old man would have been sentenced to 10 years in prison, at least!

What a country !!! :-(

[MnFats]

11. of course they will FOX's locals are as rabid as thier nationals...

they'll be shouting and stirring up as much fear and anger as possible.

[bluestateguy]

13. Six years ago I was rear ended by a woman with a counterfeit Mexican driver's license

She spoke no English, of course. She had no insurance. The cops gave her two tickets, one for the fake license, and another for following behind me too close. Pretty high likelihood there that she was in the country illegally.

At any rate, MY insurance had to pay for the $4000 damages that was caused by this nincompoop.

[RYOMYO]

20. If she's not a US citizen, she can't be held under US laws.

Once it's determined she's "illegal", how can they hold her under arrest under American laws? Oh yeah, she's a brown person in a White state. More hatemongering against people of color in racist America.

[idovoodoo]

23. You are kidding, right?

:eyes:

[ozu]

26. hmmm

You can't seriously think that non-citizens aren't subject to US law while they're here.

If it was sarcasm or a joke... whoops.

[dysfunctional press]

31. what an ignorant post...

when you break american laws on american soil- you are subject to american justice.

[Codeine]

52. This is Democraticunderground.com

not retardeddumbasses.net

Thanks for playing.

[citizen snips]

60. WTF?

another dumbass post that has nothing to do with the OP.

[depakid]

28. "used by the Repukes in their illegal immigrant demagoguery!"

This sort of deal is why Obama wants undocumented aliens to go through proper drivers' training, take the tests and get a valid license and insurance.

Despite the inevitable hue and cry- it's simply responsible public safety policy.

[robcon]

33. You're giving it away with the word 'undocumented,' not illegal immigrants.

If you are illegally in the U.S (broke laws to enter the country) there is no justification whatsoever to get a driver's license or any other government-issued credentials.

[depakid]

34. The term's more accurate

People aren't :illegal," the simply don't have the paperwork.

Doesn't mean that the policies in quesation aren't the most rational solution to the dilemma.

The trouble with the America Über Alles crowd is that- on issue after issue, they'd cut off your collective noses to spite their faces.

Therein lies much of the that's caused America in the such sorry shape it's in- emotion and prejugdment over reasoned analysis.

[devilindisguise]

45. Gee whiz Mama you taught me wrong when you taught me

Dear Mom,

I thought you said I wuz to obey the law? Now I have people saying don't obey the law? Will you please reply as to why you taught me such a foolish thing? I'm rather confused. I know dad was an officer of the law, and he enforced the law, but now I hear our laws are not important. Please reply soon. I find it hard to believe my own dear mother who taught me to be a good citizen, to work and support myself, to treat others with kindness, and other virtues (no vice) would lie to me. I resent these people who are calling you and daddy liars.

My love,
Josie

[robcon]

32. This sounds like Lou Dobbs demagoguery.

He'll find an illegal immigrant doing something wrong, then have an online or telephone poll about immigration into the U.S.

[barb162]

39. So how many US citizens have to be killed before you wake up?

And Dobbs is a populist. Let the illegals go back to their own countries and apply to live here legally.

[devilindisguise]

47. Good Post

You tell it like it is. We don't need them here.

[Bill McBlueState]

63. Dobbs may be a populist,

but he may also be a racist populist.

Not mutually exclusive.

[LanternWaste]

65. It's our God given right to be killed and injured only by American motorists...

It's our God given right to be killed and injured only by American motorists...

:sarcasm:

[rene moon]

66. The United States had made it really hard to emigrate if you are from Mexico.

Which someone from any country may apply for a permanent resident status:

1. Large investment in a business venture

2. Marriage

3. Relative

4. Lottery

The point of my post was to rebut the argument I hear all the time: "they should come here legally".

So if you are a single Mexican national with no relatives in the US and have a family to support and you dream of coming to the US legally, you are screwed. So what would you do? Your children may starve or you could catch a ride a couple of hundred miles north for work so you can feed your children. I think it is time that we sand down the plaque at the bottom of the Statue of Liberty and rephrase the statement: You are only welcome if you have either $100K to invest in a business venture or have a relative or con someone into marrying you or if you ARE NOT from latin america and you are lucky enough to be one of only 50k people with internet access to participate in the lottery.

While it may take 1-5 years if you are from say, Western Europe, it can take 5-20 years if you are Mexican. You must be sponsored by an employer or a relative. And you must have the money, it is expensive to emigrate---so, if you don’t have that, then you can’t apply.

US immigration laws are draconian and humiliating. I have a friend who emigrated legally from Brazil and it was a horrible and demeaning process for her.

If you are a poor Mexican, who can’t afford to feed your family, much less save up for applying to get it--if you have the means, then desperation is quite a motivation factor.

Want to "solve" illegal immigration. Step one is acknowledging the true underlying cause: Corporatism/capitalism and globalization. That will also solve the xenophobia problem since that is more generated by American workers who are bitter about the crunch they are experiencing economically. The truth is that's nothing but scapegoating and 99% untrue, but Joe Blow hears it on the news and believes it.

Change the conditions, you change the outcome.

[devilindisguise]

46. Lay off of Lou Dobbs, please

He is the only media type who is trying to see that our laws are enforced. Of course when the media types - fools IMO - have a child killed by an illegal driver, maybe they will open their eyes. But I doubt it. Somehow I think their prostituting themselves to their republican bosses will prevail over their love for their child, or for their country.

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. Until DU says we have to lay off Lou Dobbs,

I believe those of us who can't stand him will continue to criticize him.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

67. The man's a white supremacist.

He should be ashamed of himself, and so should his audience.

[devilindisguise]

69. Sorry to disagree with you

But I don't see it that way at all. Lou Dobbs always calls for "legal immigration". That is not white supremicist. That is wanting more than one or two races to come here. All he asks is that they do it legally, and take their place in line. Anyone who doesn't understand "gittin' in line" is going to be in trouble if they try to buck the line in front of me at the store, cafeteria, or anywhere I have to stand in line. This is one rule legal and illegal immigrants will quickly realize. What I am ashamed of is people who encourage others to break our immigration laws.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

71. The man repeats made up slurs collected from white supremacist hate sites.

What I'm ashamed of is white supremacists who pretend to care about laws.

[devilindisguise]

78. I just can't see Lou Dobbs as a whie supemicist

I've never heard him espouse whites only. He wants true American citizens, black, white,chinese, - all legal citizens to keep their money instead of supporting illegal law breakers. That is not white supremicists. They hate blacks and people who are not white. Illegals from Mexico would rather sneak in here undercover of night, instead of fighting to wrest control of their own country back from the wealthy spaniards. It's not nearly as dangerous. If they were "good and decent" people they would fight for their country instead of trying to take my legacy, and my children, and grandchildren's legacies.

[citizen snips]

89. Lou Dobbs wife is Mexican.

I highly doubt he is a white supremacist.

[citizen snips]

57. What does Lou Dobbs have to do with this story?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. Lou Dobbs scapegoats mexican immigrants.

Should be obvious.

[devilindisguise]

70. I've never seen that

I watch Lou or try to watch him everyday. He is about all illegal immigration. It appears to me from people who disagree with him that they always point out 'Mexican'. The reason for that is they are so close and it is so easy for them to cross our borders. We have other illegal immirgrants, and some muslim's have been caught coming in through the Mexican side. I thought after 9-11, the Mexican border would be shut down, and the Canadian border reinforced. Although they do a pretty good job it seems of enforcing immigration laws. They caught the terrorists who were going to bomb LAX. Before 9-11.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. You thought we would shut down the Mexican border after9/11?

How in the world do you think that can be accomplished?

Did Lou Dobbs tell you that? He is good at spreading misinformation.

[devilindisguise]

86. Sure I thought we would or should

If Bush had brains bigger than a thimble, and our congress was worth its salt we would have. The points of entry are so much easier than coming in from the thicket, snow and ice of Canada. Terrorists are coming in everyday through Mexico. They caught 9 terrorists about 3 months ago, and turned them back, but I figure that's just the tip of the iceberg to how many are living here. I watch a lot of news, because I am retired, but I'm sure this isn't the only time they've caught terrorists coming in, and I didn't catch it on the news. Maybe they didn't report it. I was surprised they did it one time. Our borders should be guarded carefully, very carefully to keep illegals out.

[EFerrari]

90. Dobbs has been busted by Amy Goodman for taking information

and for booking guests from the Council of Conservative Citizens, a hate group. At first he said he didn't remember, then he said it was a mistake and when she showed him that he does it over and over, he just got mad. He was disgusting.

[citizen snips]

88. ?

This story has nothing to do with Lou Dobbs. Every time a news story get released don't blame Lou Dobbs blame the illegal Immigrants who commit the crimes.