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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:20 AM
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US military will stay in Georgia
Edited on Sun Jan-18-04 01:31 AM by NNN0LHI
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3406941.stm

<snip>On Saturday the US ambassador to Georgia said they had decided to continue training the Georgian army in a full-time programme.US 'security guarantee' snip

Now it is US soldiers who are in charge and, according to the US Ambassador in Tbilisi Richard Miles, they are in Georgia to stay. snip

Russia tensions

For Moscow, the Caucasus is a geopolitical backyard, rich in energy resources and crucial to the conflict in Chechnya.

Moscow's refusal to remove its military bases from Georgia has long fuelled tensions between the two countries.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:23 AM
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1. Is this why Soros financed the coup against Shevernadze?
Soros may want Bush out, but he has been involved in some shady activities in Eastern Europe. Soros is as much a part of the ruling class as Bush is.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:28 AM
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2. Shevernadze was a corrupt dictator.
The revolution that over threw him was a bloodless coup by THE PEOPLE!
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:33 AM
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4. You seem to know more than I do...
http://exile.ru/178/178010101.html

Nice to hear from someone,who is so concerned about the people of Georgia?
If I plan a coup, would you please tell Mr. Soros to hire some busses for me and my people, I'm too lazy to walk...


Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:37 AM
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6. Did you study the results of the "not so corrupt" election...
Edited on Sun Jan-18-04 01:38 AM by Dirk39
that was happening in Georgia, now?
Don't get me wrong, Sheverdnadze was corrupt. Like the people, who did "win" the election now.
If you're interested, I post you the results.
It's not about THE PEOPLE, it's about serving Putin or serving the ruling class in the USA. After the "velvet revolution", Georgia has become a kind of one party state.
Hi,
Dirk
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 02:42 AM
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7. You're kidding, right?
If Tinoire's around, maybe she'll chime in. She's great with links.

It wasn't by the people. It was by the corporate elites who crave the energy in the Caspian.

Here's a good write-up. Yes, it's a (gasp) Socialist website. I'm not one, but who cares? The site does good work.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/geor-d29.shtml
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/geor-d30.shtml



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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 03:02 AM
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8. James Baker?
"James Baker? This is the same guy who Bush Jr. hired in 2000 to steal the Florida vote, handing the U.S. presidency over to a tool who lost by half a million votes. The way Baker railroaded Bush into the presidency has done more damage to American democracy than anything since Nixon and Watergate. Sending him into corrupt Georgia to demand that they have "free and fair elections" is like sending Yegor Gaidar into Iraq in order to advise them on privatization and the transition to a market economy – which Bush also did."
http://exile.ru/178/178010101.html
I'd like to read a post like this from you:

"The revolution that over threw Clinton and Gore was a bloodless coup by THE PEOPLE!"

There aren't any people anymore in the world we live in, just PR agencies, Murdoch and Berlusconi...
We're allready dead.
Dirk


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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 02:14 AM
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13. What people? Another one of Soros' student democratic movements?
Edited on Mon Jan-19-04 02:15 AM by Tinoire
that are anything but democratic.

This "coup" seems to be a suspicious outgrowth of another Soros venture, the Caspian Revenue Watch, http://www.eurasianet.org/policy_forum/crw.shtml
which monitors the development of oil production in the Caspian basin. "The goal is to promote transparency, accountability, and public oversight in the management of oil and natural gas revenues." The advisory board on this outfit is echt-Soros, a mixture of "human rights" figureheads and military-industrial nabobs. You can find Mikhail Chachkhunashvili, a member of Open Society in Georgia, where he and other hirelings organized a coup after Shevernadze appeared to be tilting toward Putin. You also have Karin Lissakers, who's on the board of the IMF, an outfit famous for its transparency.


Soros and the Open Society are a kind of privatized CIA that meddles openly in the affairs of other governments.

===

"U.S. Eyed in Shevardnadze's Resignation"

Posted on Sat, Dec. 06, 2003

U.S. Eyed in Shevardnadze's Resignation
MARA D. BELLABY
Associated Press

MOSCOW - Russia's foreign minister has accused the United States of playing a role in the resignation of Georgian leader Eduard Shevardnadze last month, according to an interview published Saturday in the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.

"I think there are enough facts proving that what happened in those days wasn't spontaneous, it didn't arise suddenly," Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov was quoted as saying. "Of course, there were preparations and the U.S. ambassador was involved, as Shevardnadze himself admitted."

Ivanov also said that a fund set up by billionaire philanthropist George Soros to bolster civil society and the rule of law in the former Soviet Union played a role.

Shevardnadze had earlier accused Soros of funding the opposition, and he noted that U.S. Ambassador to Georgia, Richard Miles, was posted in Yugoslavia before the overthrow of Slobodan Milosevic. Shevardnadze had told The Associated Press that Miles might have encouraged Georgia's opposition. Senior Washington officials have denied any U.S. conspiracy to depose Shevardnadze.

Ivanov noted in the interview that the White House also dispatched former U.S. Secretary of State James W. Baker to Georgia ahead of the Nov. 2 parliamentary elections. Baker, who knew Shevardnadze well, pushed the Georgian leader to ensure that the vote was free and fair. The protests that led to Shevardnadze's Nov. 23 resignation erupted amid widespread allegations that the elections had been rigged.


<snip>

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/7431280.htm

((And of course we all know how interested James Baker is in fair elections))

===

It is amusing to note that wherever Soros goes, little capitalistic revolutions seem to follow. That article was written Dec 6. Soros was very busy for the holiday season. Russia's oil oligarch Khoudorovsky, good friend to Soros and Bush ((all three are part of Carlyle)), was thrown in jail and Soros entire Russian operation shut down because the Russians had proof that, out of his office, another little revolution was coming to them. Bush and Soros pleaded, but to no avail. Putin is not amused when Carlyle comes eying his Caspian Sea Reserves. He has already warned all the US neo-conliberals to cool it.

===

Giant Oil Firm Merger Falls Apart in Russia

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, December 11, 2003; Page A46


MOSCOW, Dec. 10 -- The largest corporate merger in Russian history, the union of oil companies Yukos and Sibneft, has collapsed in the face of a politically charged campaign against the tycoon who put the deal together, sources familiar with the situation said Wednesday.

<snip>

The breakup is the most far-reaching consequence of the five-month political confrontation between Russia's government and its richest man, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, author of the merger.

Khodorkovsky, the chief shareholder of Yukos, and one of his partners have been imprisoned pending trial on fraud allegations; a third Yukos billionaire has been charged with tax evasion. About 40 percent of the company's stock has been frozen by the government, and multiple Russian agencies are investigating its taxes, oil licenses and myriad other issues.

<snip>

This week, Russian agents again swept into offices associated with Yukos to search files -- first on Tuesday at the offices of the Menatep St. Petersburg bank, a Group Menatep subsidiary, and then Wednesday at Yukos's main headquarters.

<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A54403-2003Dec10¬Found=true

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Arrested Russian Businessman Is Carlyle Group Adviser


By Greg Schneider
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 10, 2003; Page E04


The arrest of two of Russia's top businessmen in recent months was more than a distant headline for Washington's well-connected private equity firm, Carlyle Group.

Carlyle, known for the glittering roster of former statesmen among its partners and advisers, has ties to both Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Platon Lebedev, the jailed Russian tycoons.

Khodorkovsky, 40, Russia's richest man and former chief executive of Yukos Oil Co., serves as an adviser to Carlyle's Energy Group. He is among 15 luminaries who help the firm sort through investment opportunities in energy industries, along with former secretary of state James A. Baker III, former British prime minister John Major and Pulitzer-Prize-winning author Daniel Yergin.

<sni>

Meanwhile, the firm has lost the services of its most prominent associate: former president George H.W. Bush, who was senior adviser for Carlyle's Asia funds, retired last month, shortly after serving as the main draw at a dinner in Moscow to woo investors.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20638-2003Nov10?language=printer

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Soros and Khodorkovsky


Sunday, November 16, 2003


On the eve of what was once Russia's most sacred holiday -- "Revolution Day," the anniversary of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution still celebrated as "Day of Accord and Reconciliation." -- there was neither accord nor reconciliation at the Moscow offices of the Hungarian born American billionaire George Soros.
Instead, there were some 40 large men in camouflage gear with stun guns, hand trucks and moving vans at the Soros Foundation. They ordered the staff out of the building and then loaded documents and computer printouts from the past 15 years, as well as office equipment, onto their vans. The New York-based Soros Foundation that operates under the name "Open Society Institute" had spent more than $1 billion on charitable and educational projects in Russia during the past 15 years. This summer, George Soros said that he was closing out his Russian activities.

<snip>

But why should the Russians be bothering America's very own George Soros?

Like the bold oligarch that he is, Soros denounced the arrest of Khodorkovsky as "persecution" that would force business to submit to the Russian state.

"I believe that he acted within the constraints of the law in supporting political parties. I am doing the same in the United States."

By this remark, George Soros was reminding us that he had given $10 million to the Democratic National Committee for "regime change" in the 2004 elections. Of course, he is acting within the constraints of the law, in the same way that Khodorkovsky was when he named his charitable organization, the "Open Russia Foundation," and said that there was no connection with the Soros "Open Society Institute" although they did fund some projects together.

Khodorkovsky nabbed Lord Rothschild of London and our own inimitable Henry Kissinger for his board of directors. Gifts to American charities began to flow. Khodorkovsky joined the advisory board of the U.S. Carlyle Group, a super rich private equity fund, where he conferred in Moscow with the former Secretary of State James Baker III and former President George H. W. Bush.

<snip>

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/datelinedc/s_165315.html

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So much for the people. The only people guys like this know are the kind of "people" Bush bussed into Florida to stop the recounts.

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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:28 AM
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3. Subject line edit?
Would you please edit your subject line to reflect the published title of the article: "US military will stay in Georgia."

Thanks!

DU Moderator
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:33 AM
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5. Thanks for the tip. Either BBC didn't have the shorter headline...
...up when I posted or I didn't see it so I had to try and get the secondary headline to fit in the space allowed. Thanks again.

Don

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Pax Argent Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 03:49 AM
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9. I should hope so!
Georgia is a fine state and has been so for many years. I don't see why we should empty Fort Benning and all of the other military installations in that proud state thereby casting many of our fellow Americans out of their jobs in supporting these brave men and women in their missions to.....

What's that?

Georgia is next to Russia?

Who moved it?

Oh, well that's very different.

Nevermind.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 03:54 AM
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10. Now, that's a Bush quote if I ever heard one!
Bawahahahahaha!


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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 08:53 AM
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11. Anyone Know Exactly Where US Troops are Stationed?
what towns, etc?
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 01:08 PM
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12. Is this like Soviet MIlitary Will Stay in Romania?
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