Bush Administration looks into Terror Listing For Venezuela

[Ichingcarpenter]

Source: McClatchy Newspapers

Following up on allegations that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's links to Colombian guerrillas have been much deeper than previously thought, a senior U.S. government official has confirmed that the Bush administration has asked its lawyers to look into what gets a country on the U.S. list of state sponsors

The investigation is the first step in a process that could see Venezuela join North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, Syria and Iran as countries that the State Department has designated as supporters of terrorism.

U.S. laws give leeway to what economic activity is subject to sanctions, but in the extreme, U.S. and many foreign businesses would be forced to sever links with one of the world's largest producers of oil, severely affecting Venezuela's oil trade.

U.S. companies would be "forbidden from operating there, forbidden from receiving any money from Venezuela," Lewis said. "It would make it very hard for Venezuela to sell oil to the U.S. All the arrangements we have now where Venezuelan oil is routinely sent to the United States would have to stop."

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/29944.html

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Please remove these idiots from my government

[Fearless]

1. Please remove these idiots from my country.

Maybe Afghanistan would be a good spot to put them... since everything is going so damn well there.

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. You realize what this stupid talk is gonna do with oil prices now?

The State Departments are idiots.

[Fearless]

6. Sad to say...

But right now regardless, oil will be over $4 a gallon by summer. I can't wait for next heating season. $600 for a tank of oil in MA. MA minimum wage is $8.00, so that would be 75hrs. of work, essentially an entire 2 week paycheck, taxes and SocSec not included, for one damn tank of oil, half a winter's worth. This is absolutely ridiculous.

[Fearless]

8. JUST IN: OIL $108 a fucking barrel!

[H8fascistcons]

12. Sorry, It's here in CA.

There is a station in Northern California selling gasoline for over $5.00 per gallon...

[Fearless]

13. Yikes! That's disgraceful.

$3.15 here, not that bad considering... granted in 1999 it was around $1.10

[Yavapai]

25. Let's see, that is about 33% inflation for each year for 9 years.

Now, my Social Security has risen about 18% in the same time (at 2% per year)...

Guess I better not drive!

Also my health insurance jumped 36% in January...

Guess I had better not get sick !

We all have seen the price of food...

Guess I had better start poaching rabbits and deer!


(Edited to correct my horrible spelling)

[Bilbo Heugan]

18. Bush and pals will prosper with every penny's rise in oil nt

[htuttle]

2. So, Venezuela would just sell all of it's oil to China?

This would be good, how? What am I missing here?

Oh, that's right, I remember -- THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ARE IDIOTS!!

:crazy:

[movonne]

4. They won't be satisfied until they take this county down to 3 world

status...

[heliarc]

34. Mmmm...

That's funny. We still aren't satisfied and we've kept half the world at 3rd world status... Venezuela, El Salvador, Panama, Cuba, Guatemala, Iraq, Angola...

[movonne]

5. and we can't do business with a terrorist country....close down all

all citco gas stations...

[Gman]

7. China will buy every drop of oil we don't buy from Venezuela

as oil passes $200 a barrel.

[go west young man]

9. The only losers in that situation will be the American people.

That oil would end up in China and our prices would just continue soaring. As everyone else is saying already....the Bush Administration is a bunch of idiots. Their terror watch list is as pathetic as their no fly list. The whole world knows it's bullshit. Everyone but them.

[pdefalla]

17. And the winners are:

Bush and his oil buddies! They can't lose. The terror designation allows them to increase the price of domestic oil (therefore their profits, and who knows, they may just decide that Venezuela's WMD's justify an invasion so that we can take over their oil fields!

[woodsprite]

36. They know it's all bullshit too. They just don't care. They're raping America. n/t

[bitchkitty]

10. Transparent imbeciles.

Leave it to the Moron Squad.

[Fearless]

11. I believe that's "Moran Squad"

:rofl:

[H8fascistcons]

14. Must See....

There is a film out there called "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" it is a must see. It explains in full, the crimes of the Bush crime family. The subject is the attempted overthrow of Venezuela by our government....

[Tempest]

15. You'll have to wait for the DVD

No theatre in the U.S. would show it when it was out.

[EFerrari]

32. No! It's here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=1659&mesg_id=1660

[Judi Lynn]

16. I think you can watch the entire documentary at this link:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11167.htm

Absolutely vital documentary, filmed by an Irish film crew working at Miraflores before and during the time the coup was initiated. Spellbinding, and irreplaceable.

Welcome to D.U., H8fascistcons. :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[H8fascistcons]

39. Greetings Judi Lynn:

Thank You for the warm welcome......

Regards................

[fascisthunter]

19. Bush is the Terrorist

sick pathological freak....

[Bilbo Heugan]

20. Call it what it is -- a regime

Bush's regime is not and never was Bush's Administration. Our Orwellian MSM scribes try to legitimize this imposter's regime, but it cannot be legitimized.

[Yavapai]

28. Are you sure it shouldn't be called

"THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY"?

[Forrest Greene]

21. Well, Venezuela Terrorizes

...Exxon-Mobil, doesn't it?

[Diclotican]

22. Ichingcarpenter

Ichingcarpenter

What group is Venezuela using to treat United States of America again?.. This have more with the fact that President Chavez is a pain in the ass for the United States, than Chavez seen to have friends in many places, even in Colombian guriellas... This have more with the fact that this administration NEED a new enemy. A enemy who they can give more attention then the current they have... Or they have made by their idiotic politic, and own stupidity...

And as someone before me have says.. If US was to send Venezuela over to the "terror-list" China would be so happy about taken all the goods and specially Oil Venezuela can sell.. Oil is a thing that can be sold regardless of what Uncle Sam would tell you to do.. And the whole Latin American thing is different from what it was before.. It is no longer Uncle Sam's back jard,even that Uncle Sam maybe believe in that....

Typical.. When Chavez in fact are doing US a favor, when he talk to all the partners, and even get the two country in this case to talk to each other.. Then it is bad.. Can it be because United States was cut out of the looper and was not to be give advice when it come to inter-latin american problems?.. Can it be because United States is Not the big brother, or the strict uncle anymore, who decide who are right, and who are wrong.. Even if the map on the ground is different from the fact?

If US would think it would be more easy to get a foot in latin-america after this.. I guess the current administration are wrong, and are just burning a lot of brigdes when it come to South of the border.. Latin America are different now, then mr Bush was "sworn" in as President...

And the fact that many of the country are in "red" hand, is probley the worst to republicans, and many americans at all...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language.

[Kolesar]

27. How does the Monroe Doctrine play where you live?

Are you familiar with it? It was a fundamental 19th century policy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_doctrine

[Diclotican]

35. TheBorealAvenger

TheBorealAvenger

Yes I am familiar with the Monroe Doctrine..But thankfully that doctrine are no binding where I am living.. I am living in the nor then part of Europe, and the Monroe Doctrine are more in american "waters":

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language.

[HuffleClaw]

23. cute way to jack up oil prices eh?

cheney's idea i bet

[trthnd4jstc]

24. I think Presidente Chavez has place President Bush on his watch list!

Didn't President Chavez call our President a terrorist? Did he place members of BushCo on his watch list? It is kinda funny about the turn around.

I do not think that all of the People of Venezuela ought to be collectively punished. Isn't Collective Punishment against the Charter of the United Nations?

I hope that we do not place Venezuala on a terrorist watch list. There needs to be more evidence than the laptop evidence that Columbia has. Further, with all this terrorism happening, shouldn't the International Criminal Court make the determination of who is on the watch list as compared to partisans in our nation? What I mean is that the definition of terrorist is getting ambiguous.

[BattyDem]

26. Let's just save time and put every country on the terror list.

:eyes:

[OKthatsIT]

29. Everybod knows the BANKSTERS screwed South America

JMorgan, Rockefellers, Rothschild, Mellon-Scaife...We, the American People have had ENOUGH of the IMF!

That OIL belongs to the Venezuela People, not Oil Banksters.
LEAVE THEM ALONE!

[struggle4progress]

30. Yay! $5/gallon or $6/gallon gas! I'm so psyched!

[cliss]

31. This is probably the most stupid statement

I've seen and there's been an amazing amount of stupidity.

Stupid -
The US is HELPLESSLY dependent on Venezuelan oil. For Christ sake. We get around 17% of our oil from Venezuela. If that were to be cut off, our economy would be brought to its knees.

CHAVEZ
He must be laughing at this latest stupidity. He's threatened many times to cut us off, anyway. And who can blame him the way Washington has treated him.
Chavez would immediately sell to China or India, maybe japan. The point Jis, he would find buyers in an instant.

[AlphaCentauri]

33. This must be plan B, after the Colombian president step back with his accusations n/t

[Peace Patriot]

37. It's funny how people who have slaughtered 1.2 million innocent Iraqis, to get

their oil, and have tortured, wounded and displaced many millions more, are calling Hugo Chavez--who has killed NO ONE, who has harmed NO ONE, who has jailed NO ONE unfairly, and who has run a scrupulously lawful and beneficial government for ten years, elected and re-elected in highly TRANSPARENT and internationally monitored elections--a "terrorist"!

He gets six hostages released, unconditionally, by the FARC guerrillas...and HE's the "terrorist"? The Bush Cartel's bus boy Uribe BOMBS Ecuador and KILLS the chief FARC hostage negotiator--using U.S. ordinance and U.S. surveillance--and was the Medellin Cartel's go-to guy in his early career...and HE's the only U.S. ally in South America?

What's wrong with this picture?

See
"Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3220179

Six years later--when it doesn't matter any more for stealing other peoples' oil--we learn...from a PENTAGON-SPONSORED study!...that it was a load of crap.

And, after Donald Rumsfeld's PNAC-II: South America, when Venezuelan fascists are throwing union leaders and other leftists out of airplanes, and slaughtering whole villages of the indigenous and throwing their bodies into mass graves, and Exxon Mobil is sucking Venezuela's crude out of Venezuelan soil, at 200% profit to themselves, we'll find out, from a "Pentagon-sponsored" study, that Hugo Chavez wasn't a "terrorist" after all! And that he wasn't even a "tyrant"!

"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html

Do know, though, that Rumsfeld's backdoor strategy for regaining corporate predator control of the Andes oil fields is through Bolivia, and the white separatist movement that your tax dollars are paying for (with USAID-NED and other budgets). The rich rural landowners (supplemented by imported white South Africans during the Apartheid era) intend to split off four rural provinces (where the gas and oil reserves are) from the central government of Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of Bolivia--in a country with an overwhelmingly indigenous population--to deny the benefit of those resources to the poor majority. They will likely declare their "independence" this May, and Rumsfeld's plan (as he says) is for "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America. Whatever does he mean?

The Bush Junta doesn't have any "friends and allies" in South America--except the fascist thugs running Colombia, and fascist thugs planning coups within leftist (majorityist) countries like Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina and Bolivia. The Bushites cannot confront these countries, and their many allies, head on. Their alliances, and their unity, are too strong, and their leaders have too much popular support. The Bushites have been unable to "divide and conquer" them, and they have tried everything--every pressure and dirty trick you could imagine, including the recent bombing of Ecuador, to sabotage of the hostage negotiations, and the potential peaceful settlement of Colombia's 40+ year civil war, which the Presidents of Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina and France were all working on. The South Americans quickly headed off further incursions (by Ecuador and Venezuela sending troops to their borders), quickly got to the bomb site and exposed several Uribe lies (for instance, that it was "hot pursuit"--they found dead bodies in their pajamas, shot in the back), and a united South America then backed Ecuador on the violation of its sovereignty, and Chavez is credited with preventing the "hot" war that the U.S./Colombia was trying to start (probably by talking Ecuador out of retaliation). Result: The Bush Cartel's boy, Uribe (Colombia) is even more isolated than before--and South America has never been more united.

So, now, Rumsfeld & co. is about to throw a political bombshell into the OAS, to create chaos (a Rumsfeld specialty) in the southern hemisphere: the split up of Bolivia, with the rich rural landowners "requesting" U.S. boots on the ground in "defense" of their "independence." And, I think, by this means, they will also be throwing a live hand grenade into the U.S. presidential election in November. But that is not their main purpose. They main purpose is "divide and conquer" by increasingly violent means (as in Ecuador), and they hope to recover some strategic ground for launching real trouble against Venezuela and Ecuador (lots and lots of oil--members of OPEC). To Rumsfeld, "chaos is opportunity," so he creates chaos. These fuckers are determined to bring the Oil War to the western hemisphere. That is what this is all about. That is why they demonize Chavez. That is why the bombed Ecuador. That is why they are funding the rightwing separatists in Bolivia.

[go west young man]

38. Very enlightening stuff Peace Patriot.