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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:14 PM
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Chavez says US can 'shove' terror list
Source: AP

CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez dared the U.S. on Friday to put Venezuela on a list of countries accused of supporting terrorism, calling it one more attempt by Washington to undermine him for political reasons. Chavez said the "threat to include us on the terrorist list" is Washington's response to his own successes in the region.

U.S. lawmakers including Rep. Connie Mack and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, both Florida Republicans, have called for the State Department to add Venezuela to its list of terror sponsors, which currently includes North Korea, Iran, Syria, Sudan and Cuba. They have expressed concerns about what they call Chavez's close ties to Colombia's leftist rebels.

"Let them make that list and shove it in their pocket," Chavez said in a televised speech.

"We shouldn't forget for an instant that we're in a battle against North American imperialism and that they have classified us as enemies — at least in this continent they have us as enemy No. 1," Chavez said.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080314/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_us;_ylt=ArIZ_dt3oYla3D4._iB5ftOs0NUE
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:17 PM
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1. LOL The man does have a way with words. Wish B*sh did.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:25 PM
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4. That He Does. Take That List And Shove It.
I wish Congress did.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:18 PM
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2. I am wondering.....
Is Iraq on that list? I didn't see it listed.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:22 PM
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3. No. It was removed a couple years ago along with Libya
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:30 PM
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5. I'm pretty sure I'd really enjoy having a beer with ol' Hugo. n/t
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:18 PM
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15. Did you ever see the Barbara Walters interview with Chavez?
She went down there expecting to find a madman.
They had coffee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDaSJ23DRjs
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 01:23 AM
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24. Well, Barbara gave him better treatment than I expected
I wonder if hyperbolic speech is common in Venezuelan culture? I know so little about that country, but I've always wanted to see it...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:14 PM
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26. He doesn't drink.
Perhaps he'd have a wimpy beer with you.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:36 PM
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6. Republicans Act Just Like the Nazis. Labeling their Enemies as Terrorists
a sick and depraved lot
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:45 PM
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8. No, I wouldn't call them that. The term 'Apparatchik' fits them better.
This is so absurd and funny that these two 'politicians' can't be real.
This must be satire!

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:42 PM
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7. I fondly recall
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen on Real Time last year and Richard Belzer told her to shut the fuck up. Normally that would be in bad taste, but not with her.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:05 PM
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12. Secure
our borders,deport all of those rightwing cubans.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:54 PM
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9. Viva Chavez
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:01 PM
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10. "shove it in their pocket" is so much more tactful
than "shove it where the sun don't shine." ;)
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:24 PM
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30. yeah...
but we ALL know what he meant! * must be seething! LOL
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Johnny Potpie Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:02 PM
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11. Ha
:woohoo: :applause:
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:20 PM
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13. How much longer for the American Nazi's???
I'm ready today for the next administration....Democractic, to take over the running of this country. These hooligan repuglican, disgraceful legislators needs to get their heads out of their asses and look at the worlds biggest terrorist....gwb!

While they should be calling for his impeachment and all the other criminals in his administration to face international crimes tribunals for crimes against humanity, they are screwing around with Chavez and his relations with his Latin American neighbors and their affairs.

Get your heads out of your asses, NOW!! Can we survive till next January????
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:41 PM
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16. I wouldn't look to the Democrats here -
at least not Dems like Nancy Pelosi, who called Hugo a "thug".
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H8fascistcons Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:56 PM
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17. Amazing
Hey Nancy if Hugo is a thug what does that make you? I'll answer for you, you're a criminal Fascist enabler and as Bush commits more crimes and destroys the constitution you are also committing crimes.
Nancy, you and Harry Reed, Rahm Emanuel, Jay Rockefeller, Steny Hoyer do not get to pick and choose which crimes against America to ignore...Please never forget until these Democratic criminals are voted out of office........
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:27 PM
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14. Why should Venezuela respect a terrorist list
compiled by the country that gives sanctuary to Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:58 PM
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18. See what the dashing Rafael Correa of Ecuador had to say to Bush today...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3227362

Wow, these DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED presidents are mad! Bush fracked the peace process they had going to end Colombia's 40+ year civil war. And we know what the Bush Junta thinks of peace! Ain't no war profiteering and oil thieving in it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:09 PM
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19. I wonder how Cuba has been a terrorist state.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:53 PM
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20. Its all malarkey...just an excuse to make BANKSTER/ARMS DEALS
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:58 PM
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21. That makes 2 S. American smackdowns on ** today! LOL
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:50 PM
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31. exactly! ^5!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:05 PM
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22. LOL!
:rofl:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:13 PM
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23. Ileana is the woman who calls Orlando Bosch a hero
ANN LOUISE BARDACH: First of all, I would tell you that the climate is very different. I disagree with the way that’s characterized. As I discuss in my book and many other stories I have written about Cuba and Miami, Orlando Bosch was celebrated. The climate is radically different between—since 9/11. When Orlando Bosch arrived in Miami, he was celebrated. At that time a woman named Ileana Ros-Lehtinen was running for Congress. She would be the first Cuban American elected, which she was. Her campaign manager was a man named Jeb Bush; it was one of his first big political jobs. And one of the cornerstones of Ileana’s Congressional run was “Free Orlando Bosch.” Because when he arrived in the U.S. he had, you know, an outstanding parole violation, and he was arrested, and everybody in justice, in F.B.I., and C.I.A. wanted to kick him out of the country. Well, at that time, Jeb Bush’s father was Vice President of the United States and later president. So, there is an overlapping period in there through the whole Bosch period. And anyway, Bosch was given residency, and there actually was what they called “Orlando Bosch Day” in Miami. And there was a huge celebration in the Orange Bowl. That’s not going on with Posada. Posada has slipped in. He hasn’t shown his face. We don’t know where he is. And this is the post-9/11 environment. And it is now very embarrassing. By the way, previous to 9/11, most Americans don’t know this, but quite a few Cuban exile militants who have been convicted of murder have been released. I don’t think the average person knows that the killers of—who were convicted for the crime of the car bombing of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt, a man named Suarez and another man named Paz, were both released from prison just weeks before 9/11, again at the intercession of Miami politicians and Jeb Bush, and they talked John Ashcroft into releasing them. I think that it was very embarrassing after 9/11. I mean, these were—both men were convicted of that crime. I believe, off the top of my head, that for the murder of those two people, one an American citizen, they spent seven years.

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/5/9/terrorist_cuban_exile_luis_posada_carriles
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 02:24 AM
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25. Very odd item just showed up you might find interesting:a reason some people in the U.S.
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 02:26 AM by Judi Lynn
might have wanted to see Orlando Letelier killed! We knew Pinochet hated him, but only a minute ago did I see a reason surfacing why the U.S. was o.k. with it, too! I believe George H. W. Bush was the head of the C.I.A. at the time he was assassinated in broad daylight by a car bomb planted for the Chilean D.I.N.A. by the two Cubans George W. Bush let out of prison as soon as he could arrange it, after they served, as your link to the Ann Louise Bardach interview said, SEVEN YEARS for assassinating a human being in cold blood in broad daylight in the nation's capital.

First, here's his photo:



Wiki:

Background
He was born in the city of Temuco, the youngest child of Orlando Letelier Ruiz and Inés del Solar Rosenberg. He studied at the Instituto Nacional and, at the age of sixteen, he was accepted as a cadet of the Chilean Military Academy, where he completed his secondary studies. Later he abandoned the military life to attend the University of Chile, where he graduated as a lawyer in 1954. In 1955, he joined the recently formed Copper Office (Departamento del Cobre, now CODELCO), where he worked until 1959 as a research analyst in the copper industry. In that year, Orlando Letelier was fired for supporting Salvador Allende's unsuccessful second presidential campaign. The Letelier family had to retreat to Venezuela, where he became a copper consultant for the Finance Ministry. From there, Letelier made his way to then recently created Inter-American Development Bank, where he eventually became senior economist and director of the loan division. He was also one of the UN consultants responsible for the establishment of the Asian Development Bank.

He married Isabel Margarita Morel Gumucio on December 17, 1955, with whom had four children: Christian, Jose, Francisco, and Juan Pablo.

Political career
His first political participations were as a university student, when he became a student representative at the University of Chile's Student Union. In 1959 Letelier joined the Chilean Socialist Party (PS). In 1971 President Allende appointed him ambassador to the United States because he had some unique leadership qualities rare among Latin American revolutionaries of the time: chiefly among them a sophisticated grasp of the complexities of American politics and an in-depth knowledge of the copper industry. His specific mission was to try to explain to the US government the Chilean nationalization of copper.

During 1973, Letelier was recalled to Chile and served successively as Minister of Foreign Affairs, then Interior Minister and finally Defense Minister. In the coup d'etat of September 11, 1973, he was the first high-ranking member of the Allende administration seized and arrested, when he arrived to his office at the Ministry of Defense. He was held for twelve months in different concentration camps suffering severe torture: first at the Tacna Regiment, then at the Military Academy; later he was sent for 8 months to a political prison in Dawson Island and from there he was transferred to the basement of the Air Force War Academy, and finally to the concentration camp of Ritoque, until international diplomatic pressure especially from Diego Arria, then Governor of the city of Caracas in Venezuela resulted in the sudden release of Letelier on the condition that he immediately leave Chile.

After his release in September of 1974, he and his family resettled in Caracas, but then Orlando Letelier decided to head for Washington D.C., at the proposal of American writer Saul Landau. In 1975 Letelier moved to Washington where he became senior fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS is an independent research institute based in Washington, D.C., devoted to international policy studies), where Landau worked at the time. He also became director of the Transnational Institute (TNI is an independent research institute based in Amsterdam), and taught at the School of International Services of the American University, in Washington, D.C. He plunged into writing, speaking and lobbying the US Congress and European governments against Augusto Pinochet's regime, and soon became the leading voice of the Chilean resistance, preventing several loans (especially from Europe) from being awarded to the military government. On September 10, 1976, he was deprived of his Chilean nationality by decree.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Letelier



His car, apres bomb.


Eigth Indicted in Letelier Slaying
Timothy S. Robinson with Lawrence Meyer and Christopher Dickey
The Washington Post, 2 August 1978

After a 22-month investigation, a federal grand jury here yesterday indicted the former head of Chile's secret police DINA) and seven others in the bombing death of former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier on Washington's Embassy Row. The indictment of Gen. Juan Manuel Contreras Sepulveda, a close associate of Chilean President Augusto Pinochet, was believed to be the first ever returned in the United States against a high official of a foreign country's intelligence agency. Contreras, two DINA operatives in Chile and five Cuban exiles living in the United States were charged by the grand jury with plotting, carrying out and covering up the September 1976 murder of Letelier, a prominent and outspoken critic of the Chilean government at the time. The explosion that ripped through Letelier's 1975 Chevelle also killed an aide, Ronni K. Moffitt, and injured her husband.

The Chilean government last night announced the arrest of Contreras and two other Chileans named in the indictment, DINA operations director Pedro Espinoza Bravo and DINA agent Armando Fernandez Larios. In a statement issued by Interior Minister Sergio Fernandez, Chile said all three had been placed under military detention. The Chilean statement came hours after Assistent US Attorney Eugene M. Propper reported that the United States government would ask for the arrest and jailing for extradition of the three. But the request for extradition was expected to touch off a complicated legal proceedings. The indictment accuses Espinoza of ordering the assassination during a meeting in Chile and Fernandez of coming to the United States to spy on Letelier so that the assassins would know when to strike. The Cubans, members of the New Jersey-based Cuban Nationalist Movement, a militant anti-Castro group, are accused of helping to carry out the bombing.

The 15-page indictment was explicitly detailed because of the cooperation with US authorities of American-born DINA agent Michael Townley, who has agreed to plead guilty to planting the bomb. The indictment outlines with precision the alleged plot that resulted in the 9:30 a.m. blast on Sept. 21, 1976, on the placid Sheridan Circle area of the embassies, chanceries and diplomats' homes. Letelier was killed instantly when the bomb atop the A-frame of his car ripped up through the floorboards under his legs as he drove around the circle. He was on his way to work at the Institute for Policy Studies, where he had become internationally known for his outspoken criticism of the Chilean military regime. Ronni Moffitt was sitting on the passenger's side of the front seat. She died a few seconds after the blast as she staggered from the shattered, burning car. Her husband, and IPS co-worker, Michael Moffitt, suffered slight injuries. The Letelier car came to rest against a Volkswagen parked within 100 yards of the Chilean ambassador's residence, and set the stage for a massive worldwide FBI investigation into the first diplomatic assassination here.

Letelier's coworkers, and others in leftist circles, immediately accused DINA, at the time the focus of allegations of massive human rights violations and torture of political prisoners, of the bombing. They said DINA was concerned about the continuing attention that Letelier was able to focus on the Pinochet regime, and silenced him for that reason. The FBI, with help from the DC Police Department, began the intensive lab work and search of the bomb scene. Its agents began the first of thousands of interviews, weeding out the possibility of domestic plots and other suspects before focusing on political motivations. The Justice Department worked out careful alliances with the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency to allow their cooperation with the investigation. Within a month of the blast, the investigation was centered on the Cuban Nationalist Movement and the allegation by a jailed international terrorist that two CNM members - Ignacio Novo Sampol and Guillermo Novo Sampol - were involved in the plot. The Novos, known for their firing of a bazooka at the United Nations in 1964 when Che Guevara was speaking there, were brought before the grand jury and questioned. Yesterday's indictment accuses them of committing perjury when they told that grand jury that they did not know anything about Letelier, DINA, or the slaying. A few months later, another Cuban Nationalist Movement leader, Jose Dionisio Suarez Esquivel, was called before the same grand jury and granted immunity from prosecution if he would testify about his alleged involvement in the plot. He refused, and was jailed for contempt of court for 11 months until that particular grand jury's term expired this year.
More:
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=letelier-docs_020878





Jose Dionisio Suarez Esquivel, Virgilio Paz Romero
In November 2000, Posada was arrested again, along with three other anti-Castro militants for plotting to assassinate Castro during the Ibero-American summit in Panama. All of the arrested men had impressive rap sheets and had been charter members of the terrorist groups CORU or Omega 7. In April 2004, Panama's Supreme Court sentenced Posada and his associates to up to eight years in prison, but in August the quartet was sprung by a surprise pardon from departing Panamanian President Mireya Moscoso, who maintains good relations with Miami's political leadership. Her pardon outraged U.S and Latin American law enforcement officials.

Three of the men were flown to Miami and met by their jubilant supporters just days before the 2004 presidential election. But Posada disappeared -- until his emergence here last month.

The quartet are not the only unsavory characters to be given the red carpet in Miami. Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ros-Lehtinen, with the backing of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, wrote letters on behalf of several exile militants held in U.S. prisons for acts of political violence. Some were released in 2001, including Jose Dionisio Suarez Esquivel and Virgilio Paz Romero, both convicted for the notorious 1976 car bomb-murder of Chilean diplomat Orlando Letelier and his American assistant Ronnie Moffitt, in Washington. Once released, instead of being deported like other non-citizen criminals, they have been allowed to settle into the good life in Miami.
(snip)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58297-2005Apr16.html

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:18 PM
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27. Meanwhile the real terror in Colombia continues unchecked
"BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - The U.N. on Friday called for an investigation into the deaths of six organizers of a march protesting the Colombian government and paramilitary death squads.

The victims included union workers and human rights activists. They were killed around the time of the March 6 protest that drew tens of thousands of people."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3227769&mesg_id=3227769

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:40 PM
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28. Hard to accept. The gov't indulged, encouraged death squads warned them, then killed them.
After Álvaro Uribe targeted them for the death squads by calling them out.

He has done this with human rights workers, too, and they have been less than thankful. He informs the Colombian public that his enemies are connected to the FARC.

What a nasty, vile, vicious little man.

It's only a secret with our right-wing controlled corporate media that he was already nailed in 1991 in Department of Defense reports as being connected to the narco-traffickers in Colombia, himself.

U.S. INTELLIGENCE LISTED COLOMBIAN PRESIDENT URIBE AMONG
"IMPORTANT COLOMBIAN NARCO-TRAFFICKERS" IN 1991

Then-Senator "Dedicated to Collaboration with the Medellín Cartel at High Government Levels"

Confidential DIA Report Had Uribe Alongside Pablo Escobar, Narco-Assassins

Uribe "Worked for the Medellín Cartel" and was a "Close Personal Friend of Pablo Escobar"


Washington, D.C., 1 August 2004 - Then-Senator and now President Álvaro Uribe Vélez of Colombia was a "close personal friend of Pablo Escobar" who was "dedicated to collaboration with the Medellín cartel at high government levels," according to a 1991 intelligence report from U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) officials in Colombia. The document was posted today on the website of the National Security Archive, a non-governmental research group based at George Washington University.

Uribe's inclusion on the list raises new questions about allegations that surfaced during Colombia's 2002 presidential campaign. Candidate Uribe bristled and abruptly terminated an interview in March 2002 when asked by Newsweek reporter Joseph Contreras about his alleged ties to Escobar and his associations with others involved in the drug trade. Uribe accused Contreras of trying to smear his reputation, saying that, "as a politician, I have been honorable and accountable."

The newly-declassified report, dated 23 September 1991, is a numbered list of "the more important Colombian narco-traffickers contracted by the Colombian narcotic cartels for security, transportation, distribution, collection and enforcement of narcotics operations." The document was released by DIA in May 2004 in response to a Freedom of Information Act request submitted by the Archive in August 2000.

The source of the report was removed by DIA censors, but the detailed, investigative nature of the report -- the list corresponds with a numbered set of photographs that were apparently provided with the original -- suggests it was probably obtained from Colombian or U.S. counternarcotics personnel. The document notes that some of the information in the report was verified "via interfaces with other agencies."

More:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB131/index.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There's a writer in Miami who got his share of Colombian death threats after Uribe targeted him publicly:
Colombia: Author flees country following death threats
Published: October 19, 2007

English PEN is alarmed by reports that Gonzalo Guillén (born Bogotá, 1952), author and correspondent for the Miami-based daily Spanish language newspaper El Nuevo Herald, has fled Colombia in fear for his life after receiving numerous threats apparently stemming from his investigation of links between the Uribe administration, paramilitarism and drugs trafficking.

The most recent of these threats seem to have been triggered by a public attack on the journalist by the President himself. On 2 October 2007 the President called national radio stations Caracol and RCN to refute allegations of close links to the deceased drugs baron Pablo Escobar made in a recent memoir by Virginia Vallejo, formerly a TV presenter and Escobar's mistress. Uribe claimed that Guillén had collaborated in writing Vallejo's Amando a Pablo, Odiando a Escobar (Loving Pablo, Hating Escobar), published in September, as well as in other books by foreign journalists on the links between paramilitarism and drug trafficking. On air, the President accused Guillén of being "a professional slanderer" who had "dedicated his journalistic career to infamy and lies" and was systematically trying to damage his reputation both in Colombia and abroad. The incident followed an official denial of Vallejo's allegations posted on the presidential website the previous day.

Guillén has reportedly categorically denied any involvement with Vallejo's book and has requested a retraction from President Uribe. According the journalist, he only met Vallejo once, in 2006, when he interviewed her for an article. However, in the three days following the President's statement Guillén received 24 death threats and on 4 October it was reported that he had decided to leave the country for his own safety.

The journalist had already been the target of death threats for several months. On 25 May 2007 an anonymous email warning of a paramilitary-police plot to murder him was sent to the Miami offices of El Nuevo Herald. This was followed a few days later by a suspicious presence outside the building where Guillén was staying in Bogotá of individuals who were dressed in police uniform but who were not, it was later clarified, police officers. Guillén was subsequently given a security guard and an armoured car under the Colombian government's journalist protection programme. However, according to Guillén, the guard was withdrawn following Uribe's on-air comments.
More:
http://www.englishpen.org/writersinprison/bulletins/colombiaauthorfleescountryfollowingdeaththreats/






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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:22 PM
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29. heh
one says "shove it" and another says "shut your mouth". they're on a run! wonder what's next? :D
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