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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:32 PM
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Obama says Rezko played a bigger fundraising role
Source: Chicago Tribune

Indicted Chicago businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko was a more significant fundraiser for presidential candidate Barack Obama's earlier political campaigns than previously known. Rezko raised as much as $250,000 for the first three offices Obama sought, the senator told the Tribune on Friday.

Obama also said for the first time that his private real estate transactions with Rezko involved repeated lapses of judgment. The mistake, Obama said, was not simply that Rezko was under grand jury investigation at the time of their 2005 and 2006 dealings. "The mistake was he had been a contributor and somebody involved in politics," he said.

In an extensive interview that he hoped would quell the lingering controversy over his relationship with Rezko, Obama said that voters concerned about his judgment should view it as "a mistake in not seeing the potential conflicts of interest."

But he added that voters should also "see somebody who is not engaged in any wrongdoing . . . and who they can trust."


Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story



Yeah, how about that "judgment"? The man behind both Illinois state house and U.S. Senate ethics legislation didn't see "the potential conflicts of interest." Hmmm.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:36 PM
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better to realize and admit a mistake, or mistakes....
then to never acknowledge personal responsibility for one's actions, especially pertaining to voting to go to war in Iraq...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:16 PM
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11. Doling out the truth, drip by drip.
Just ahead of public exposure. Gonna be a FUN administration.

Obama...a man who's careful with the truth.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:20 PM
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42. Or one could be totally hypocritical about stances
such as making speeches against the war then voting for it repeatedly once he was in office. Hey pot, meet kettle. Both candidates have the same stance, the exact same stance on Iraq and neither is the right or moral one. Richardson and Edwards had the message you seem to be erroneously attributing to Obama. Rather Obama says one thing and votes differently. Hardly a man to inspire me.
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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:36 PM
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1. I call on the Clinton campaign to fire Obama as one of their spokespeople
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 06:37 PM by tomhayes
Geez, I'm glad it was *he* who said it, and not Feraro :)
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kitfalbo Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:50 PM
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20. Walk on
When dealing with people who have or make large sums of money some of them aren't quite honest.. but the same can be said about anywhere. The Cashier who takes an extra 20, the worker who doesn't clean their counter. It is hard not to run into and not have dealings with someone who has done something bad. Just don't do it yourself. Admit if you made a mistake and walk on.
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anonymeme Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:16 PM
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24. Eh, Just Admit it & Walk Away. Accountability & Responsibility Are For Chumps, Right? NOT! [NT]
NT
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:33 PM
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29. Those are silly examples. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:36 PM
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:38 PM
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3. "repeated lapses of judgment"
How does this get explained away?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:38 PM
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19. same way as white water. we all know nothing was there but the
clintons losing their ass on a bad investment and this is about the same par.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:22 PM
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43. Not the same, not even close
Clinton lost money in a land deal. Obama bought land and was given land by a con man who was also his best friend whose family vacationed with his. Ken Lay comes to mind.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:38 PM
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4. Good. Let him expose this so there will be no more questions.
I was hoping he'd talk about it.

And I don't think you want to go there with conflicts of interest, or did you forget about Hill and Bill?
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:51 PM
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5. Hey, it looks bad....
When the "new" politics look so much like the "old" politics.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:52 PM
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7. I think it's worse when it's not addressed. I'm glad he's doing so. nt
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boilinmad Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:07 AM
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34. I think...
....there is NOTHING comparable to the shit we've been subjected to by the current administraion. NOTHING !!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 06:52 PM
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6. The Clintons won't be running against him then.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 06:56 PM by pnwmom
Fortunately, McCain carries some of his own baggage, having been one of the Keating 5.

But it's good Obama's addressing this now -- better to get it out of the way as much as possible.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:26 PM
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13. axlerod is countering everything that is being thrown at barack
the recent race shit,the swift boating by someone has been dealt with,and now rezko is being cleared up...it`s a game of chess and the advantage is going to barack
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:30 PM
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14. Yep. It's a good thing! nt
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anonymeme Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:22 PM
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27. No More Questions?! Wishful Thinking. An Old Saying: For Every Rat You See, There Are 50 You Don't!
NT
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:08 AM
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46. That sounds like a wish on your part.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:08 PM
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8. oookkkk...

Isn't Barack Obama an Attorney and a Law Professor? This is a huge concern if your a you're the PRESIDENT!..
Obama said: voters concerned about his judgment should view it as "a mistake in not seeing the potential conflicts of interest."
He is sooooooooo NOT ready to be our next President.


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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:11 PM
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9. Puts an entire new twist on Hyde's phrase...
"Youthful transgressions."

Note that Obama said it was Rezco's fault.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:17 PM
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12. so now it`s hillary`s turn to release her income tax files
it`s only fitting since obama has "confessed" to being stupid.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:08 PM
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17. Better idea.
since Obama has admitted to "being stupid"...I say, NO MORE STUPID PRESIDENTS! ok?
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anonymeme Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:06 PM
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22. Hillary Has Stated Her Income Tax Returns Will Be Released April 15th. [NT]
NT
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:18 PM
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25. No she didn't; she said TAX RETURN (singular) ON OR ABOUT 4/15 .
On or about 4/15 will translate until well after 6/1... no doubts here.

It will be their joint 2007 return only, they are not gonna release 2000-2006 returns as Obama has done... the Clintons will continue to hide their questionable Chinese, Saudi Arabian, Dubai and other *earnings*, as well as short stock and other dividend income from questional investments received during the period 2000-2006.

We the people are not stupid, puddytat.
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anonymeme Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:31 PM
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28. Wrong-O & Here You Go, Statement Documented by 2 Sources:
Wrong-O & Here You Go, Statement Documented by 2 Sources:

In response, Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson sought to shift the discussion back to the Rezko story, a tale the Hillary camp will be hitting on relentlessly in the weeks ahead. "Their tax returns since they left the White House will be made available on or around April 15," Wolfson said, speaking of the Clintons. "Instead of making false attacks, we urge Senator Obama to release all relevant financial and other information related to indicted political fixer Tony Rezko."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_camp_getting_down_to_bus.php

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=4373868

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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:07 PM
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16. Let's see.
His "new politics" turned out to be "old politics."
His "post-racial" campaign thrives on labeling the Clintons as racists.
His judgment? He listened to his "gut."

Sound like anyone else we know?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 06:46 AM
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33. the "internets" guy?
oh yeah...
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:07 PM
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36. Someone who was a born-again Christian, going to restore dignity and honor
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:09 PM by donkeyotay
Someone you "liked," who was one of us, who was bringing a new politics, who was a uniter not a divider and said his lack of qualifications wasn't an issue? No, I don't know who you mean.

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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:25 PM
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40. He didn't label them racists, they labeled themselves.
You cannot do what they are doing and cry like a stuck pig when you get called a racist. Sorry. Here's some coffee, smell it.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:24 PM
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39. Hillary is sooooooo ready
to give the Bush criminals a pass just like her hubby. She is soooooo ready to repay all her corp donors. She is soooooo ready to continue the idiot war policies of the corpo/repubic cabal.

SHE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MORE OF THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gross.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:14 PM
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10. that certainly clears up some doubts
and from what i have read about the trial there is nothing linking obama to any criminal charges. he has put it out there and is going to have to take his lumps.

when is hillary going to release her tax returns?
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:31 PM
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15. She's already said they'll be released, probably April 15th...
But definitely before the April 22nd primary.

The best you can do is "I know you are but what am I??"

Okay, Pee Wee.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:20 PM
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26. No she didn't; she said RETURN (singular) on or about 4/15. (gonna be 2007 only)
On or about 4/15 will translate until well after 6/1... no doubts here.

It will be their joint 2007 return only, they are not gonna release 2000-2006 returns as Obama has done... the Clintons will continue to hide their questionable Chinese, Saudi Arabian, Dubai and other *earnings*, as well as short stock and other dividend income from questional investments received during the period 2000-2006.

We the people are not stupid, puddytat.

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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 08:12 PM
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18. Let me explain this to you, slowly so you can understand.
Why did he pick tonight to finally answer questions on Rezko?

When a politician voluntarily unloads a story 1) on a Friday night and 2) under cover of another much more controversial and active news story like the Rev. Wright, that means it's highly likely that there's more to come. This is what is known in politics as a "limited hangout."

So they dribble out a few things in hopes that that will delay or distract from the bigger story.

You'll see. There are a lot more unanswered questions about Rezko, and claiming faulty judgment won't make them go away.
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hifalutin Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 10:02 PM
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31. It keeps on getting
'worser and worser'
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QUALAR Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:04 PM
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21. DEBATES
The next debate could be disastrous for Obama unless, of course, Tinkerbell Couric is the moderator. I wonder what is Obama's stance on reparations for slavery. That is a hot button item that will probably resurface if he is elected President.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:13 PM
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23. This is the THIRD time he's changed the Rezko fundraising total.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/432197,CST-NWS-obama18.article

6/18/07, Chicago Sun-Times</a>:

During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman Tony Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

But seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career.


And now it's gone up again. Gee, what else is he hiding?
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:47 PM
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30. Rezko + Wright = Bye Bye Obama. .........................now will
the obamamaniacs wake up ?
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:18 PM
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37. Got war? How many troops died this week because of Wright's
sermon? Hill supported the war for cold, calculated political reasons. There is blood all over her.....and you.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:28 PM
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44. Wake up and smell reality
Obama voted to fund the war multiple times and didn't even vote for the withdrawal bill sponsored by Kerry. He has as much blood on his hands as Hillary, maybe more if hypocricy counts for anything. Both are wrong on that front.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:47 AM
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32. Republicans will take this to the bank
...Obama is tainted.....must drop out now for the good of the party!

Does this not sound like something the Obama people would say? They seem to want us to give it to them, like they deserve it or something. Sorry, you gotta finish the game...we're only in the third quarter.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:21 PM
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38. No, it doesn't sound like that. It sounds like a desperate Clintonite,
Edited on Sat Mar-15-08 04:32 PM by haymakeragain
trying to cheat to win a game that they are losing. Obamans only say Hillary should quit because she is losing and is tearing the party apart and can only win through nefarious deeds. Get it?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 07:42 AM
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35. Actually, the amount cited is a total of all the campaigns Obama
has ever run and the Chicago Tribune had previously run essentially the same story. It didn't sell papers before because Obama wasn't a household name. Now it's a huge scandal. They should also run a prison update on Hillary's donor, Hsu. Then, of course, there are the old Clinton financing scandals:

Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign contributions, money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas (Associated Press: "Democrat Fund-Raiser Pleads Guilty" March 17, 1998)

Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of French government financial investigation; BCCI connections (The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity of the Institutions" March 20, 1997

IMHO, Obama is being taken to the cleaners for less than what the other candidate has been involved in. I guess that's the price of being the front runner.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 04:26 PM
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41. So, he's saying we should overlook his lapse of judgment
"he never thought the now indicted Chicago businessman would try to take advantage of him" but when the bush administration used the media, the OSP and the CIA to mislead the nation about the threat of a nuclear bomb going off in an American city if we didn't act, Hillary should have realized she was being taken advantage of.




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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:24 PM
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45. Repeated bad judgment. Why do you think you are ready for prime time?
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