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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:53 AM
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Oil and Gold Prices Continue to Plummet
Source: NY Times

The plummeting price of oil and gold on Thursday provided relief for consumers concerned about inflation, even as some investors wondered whether one of the last safe spots in a tumultuous market was beginning to collapse.

But on Thursday, those markets were in free fall. The price of crude oil and gold fell almost 10 percent in less than 36 hours. Gold, which recently crossed the $1,000 mark, slid to nearly $900 a troy ounce in overnight trading. Futures contracts for crude oil were trading below $100 for the first time in more than two weeks.

Wheat, sugar, corn, copper and platinum also dropped. “These are all significant declines,” said James Steel, a commodities analyst at HSBC.

The retreat from raw materials has occurred as the dollar, weighed down for months by inflation fears, staged a comeback against the euro and the yen. Investors who viewed commodities as a shrewd hedge against inflation are scrambling to get out of their bets. And the speculation is playing havoc with prices for products that are absolute necessities for consumers across the world.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/business/20cnd-commodity.html?hp
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:55 AM
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1. yea - lets help the little guy by lowering consumer prices -
enough bailing out investment 6 figure salary people and throwing the rest of us under the bus
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:42 PM
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10. A single bag of groceries,
including beer and a small bottle of whiskey, along with ingredients for a kick-ass salad and breaded fish for dinner, cost me

$48

yesterday.

That's one paper bag.

:grr:

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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:45 PM
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12. No offense
But wouldn't you consider beer and whiskey a luxury?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:01 PM
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14. I don't...
:9

But then, I consider cable TeeVee "a luxury." I suppose one man's luxury is another man's necessity.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:40 PM
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20. blasphemy!
beer and whiskey are necessities, they are what has got me through 7 years of *bu$h so far....
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:49 PM
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24. I needed to move up to
Martinis this year!!

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:19 PM
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29. In this economy the are a necessity. lol nt
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:58 AM
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2. Day traders and market timers beware...
It's not as easy as it looks...
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nels25 Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:15 PM
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3. I do not know squat about how the markets really work
but this sure sounds like positive news to me!
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:20 PM
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5. I think it is the big
players liquidating to cover margin calls and will be temporary.
http://africa.reuters.com/business/news/usnBAN022350.html
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:16 PM
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4. I bought milk at 2.50 a gallon yesterday
That was a surprise.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:33 PM
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7. Where? Here in Orlando FL a gallon of milk was $3.99 at Publix down from $4.49 two weeks before
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:35 PM
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8. I just paid $2.40 a gallon
Of course, I do live in Nebraska.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:38 PM
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22. Like taking coal to Newcastle, however Florida has dairy farms also
...don't get me wrong, farmers have to make a living and consumers should pay enough to cover the cost of production, processing and distribution. But, there is certainly something wrong when milk here in the state jumped from $2.49 per gallon retail less than 18 months ago up to $4.49 at the beginning of the year and now is being used as a lost leader in retail stores to get customers in the door by advertising $3.99 specials.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:40 PM
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9. Michigan. It's been running around 3.49
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:22 PM
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6. This is not a shock
There IS a reason for these commodities to rise. However, like most things (stocks in the late 1990's, real estate in the last 5 years, etc.), speculators and people hoping to jump on the new hot thing jump in, causing a short term spike. Inevitably, the products will settle back down to their intrinsic, long term value. The recent runup in gold was exactly this.
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:45 PM
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11. but prices at the pump
will continue to skyrocket, I am sure of that.
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darue Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:45 PM
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13. looks like 'profit taking' to me....
gotta sell at some point, best to time it with other big players, that drives the price down temporarily, then you jump back in and drive the price up again...

One interesting question, what currency are the sellers receiving for their commodities?
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:10 PM
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16. You're right. Btw...
the currency is based on the commodity market with which they are dealing.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:01 PM
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15. Good, but it also sounds like another psychological victory for the Fat-Cats in the markets...
...Why, think, "Gosh, I just hope we see $80.00 a barrel Crude Oil soon! Sounds good, right? Well think what it would have sounded like LAST March when the price was $60.44 per barrel!

Don't believe me? Check it out: <http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/rwtcM.htm>
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:18 PM
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17. But they marked up the price 30% before they annouced the "Sale"
It is still costing us more.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:24 PM
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18. yes--Sucker rallies can't happen unless there are
corresponding price dips.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:36 PM
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19. Pump! And! Dump!
--p!
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khaos Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:24 PM
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21. great time to buy.. the commodity rally is far from over
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:46 PM
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23. The reason prices on some commodities are falling is fear of global recession.
Not, as the Times suggests, simply because inflation fears have eased. Less economic activity globally means less demand for oil, etc. As we learned in the 70s, you can have a stagnant economy and high inflation at the same time, and that's exactly where we're headed.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:57 PM
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25. What nonsense
Gold has made these kinds of adjustments for the past four years, but the overall trend is that it's going up ... and that will continue ... because whether it's a Democrat or Republican the economic policies of the United States has run the gambit, and the smart money will return to a safehaven, or what is called a reliable "store of value."

Consider that in 2003, gold was $325 - $350, but is now at $912. Do you get the picture?

In 2004 oil shot up to $40 - $45, and we were told back then not to panic because it would go back to $36. It is currently at $101.

The dollar is on life support, and it's not going to survive a government imposed economic bailout either to big corporations or the consumer.

We're fucked, and so is every desperate attempt to retain our hegemony. Right now there is obviously messing about with the commodities to prop up the dollar, and the effect has virtually been nil.

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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:06 PM
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26. Volatility is a sign of chaotic systems. NT
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:09 PM
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27. The dollar is dropping like a rock
My daughter left for Chile to study abroad one month ago. At that time, one dollar would buy 470 Chilean pesos. Today, about 5 weeks later, it will buy 438 pesos. That is about a 7% drop.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:16 PM
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28. The bottom line is that real wages need to rise and keep pace with inflation!
And perhaps for a short time in the near future *exceed* the rate of inflation to get the balance and health of our economy restored again. It is the shrinking buying power that is pushed on us from many directions of what we are making that is causing our economic (and dollar) collapse. We need a new "New Deal"!
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