China: Dalai Lama caused riots to damage Olympics

[freedomnorth]

Source: AP

CHENGDU, China (AP) — China accused the Dalai Lama on Sunday of orchestrating the recent anti-government riots in Tibet in a bid to mar the Beijing Olympics and overthrow the area's communist leaders.

The accusations came as Tibetan areas were swarming with troops and closed to scrutiny from the outside world. With foreign media banned, information barely trickled out of the Tibetan capital Lhasa and other far-flung communities.

The Chinese government was attempting to fill the information vacuum with its own message, saying through official media that formerly restive areas were under control. It accused the Dalai Lama, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, of trying to harm China's image ahead of the summer games.

"The evil motive of the Dalai clique is to stir up troubles at a sensitive time and deliberately make it bigger and even cause bloodshed so as to damage the Beijing Olympics," said the Tibet Times, calling it "a life-and-death struggle between ourselves and the enemy."

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-23-china-dalailama_N.htm

[freedomnorth]

1. China accuses Dalai Lama of taking Olympics "hostage"

BEIJING (Reuters) - China has accused the Dalai Lama of plotting "terror" in Tibet and colluding with Uighur separatists in Xinjiang as it escalates a security and propaganda drive to stifle anti-Chinese unrest ahead of the Olympics.

Anti-government protests by Buddhist monks erupted in Tibet's capital, Lhasa, from March 10 and five days later anti-Chinese rioting shook the city, killing a policeman and 18 innocent civilians, burnt or hacked to death, authorities have said.

Protests then flared in nearby provinces with large ethnic Tibetan populations, leaving at least several more people dead.

In Sichuan, Gansu and other troubled provinces, troops continued conspicuously patrolling the streets of Tibetan towns, with schools and Buddhist monasteries under tight guard.

(more at link)
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSPEK26733920080323

[DRoseDARs]

2. The I.O.C. has a lot to answer for in giving China the '08 Summer Games...

They had more than enough information to know that China WAS NOT a safe and stable climate for an international venue. Not because of the Tibetans, but because the Chinese government remains every bit as brutal as it was in 1989. What next, North Korea hosting the 2018 Winter Games? There needs to be some serious reform in the International Olympic Committee so that countries like this don't get the privilege or the validation of hosting either venue.

[tekisui]

4. It is offensive to give the games to China.

Why reward their oppression? How could they not know the political and humanitarian consequences?

End the Totalitarian Games!!!

[winston61]

7. Follow the money

It's all about the money.

[Mika]

9. Well, its not like the IOC would ever ever choose a host like Nazi Germany. Oh, wait.. n/t

[DRoseDARs]

15. Yes, the IOC had a magical time machine in 1931 that allowed them to see the outbreak of war in 1937

...and the subsequent development of the death camps in 1941-42.

Look, up until both the decision in '31 and the games in '36, the Jews (among other groups) had yet to see the full force of horror the Nazis had planned for them. The Nazis at that time didn't have horrific acts of brutalism under their belts, just widespread discrimination similar to what blacks faced in the US after the Civil War. Indeed, what would have been comparable at that time would have been our treatment of blacks in the South and the history of slavery, or the soft genocide (as opposed to the more intentional and direct methods of the Nazis) of Amerindians. And yet the US still got to host the games in St. Louis (1904), Los Angeles and Lake Placid (both in 1932). The IOC awarded the 1936 games to Berlin in the spirit of peace as tensions had been rising in Europe from some years after WWI. The IOC awarded China the 2008 games for no such reason.

[sudopod]

19. It's not like Hitler wrote a book about what he planned to do.

LOL, OH WAIT, never mind. ;)

[DRoseDARs]

21. It's not like the Project for a New American Century was ever put to paper...

...oh wait, it was. Well, it's not like the concepts therein were ever put to practise. Oh wait, they were. The attacks of 9/11 were the catalyst, but it just as easily could have been some other major event like a major oil crisis in the Middle East (which was one of the original concerns of PNACers) or a major outbreak of some illness here stateside.

Play this game if you like, but intentions are not the same as actions. Hitler could never have gone through with his plans as an individual until he was given opportunity as leader of the German government in a time of war. With China, this isn't about plans, it's about decades of actions by the government since the Communist Party took control.

Cheers :toast:

[sudopod]

25. When I read the title to your response

I lol'd ^_^

Also, you've got a good point thar.

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. If they awarded the games to Germany in 1931, that was prior to Hitler becoming Chancellor (1933)

[sudopod]

28. UNCLE

I was wrong. :D

[DRoseDARs]

29. Thus ended the Godwin's Law subthread. ;-)

eom

[DCKit]

3. Everyone knows the Dali Lama is a political and criminal mastermind.

It's a wonder China's communist potty has survived this long.

[bemildred]

5. Yep, Emmanuel Goldstein sighted in the Himalayas.

This could not, of course, have any relationship to Chinese occupation and oppression of their little buddies in Tibet and Western China.

[mallard]

20. That's right

They're asking for it with this approach and will be sorry.

[1monster]

6. China is going to find that blaming the Dalai Lama is a very hard, if not impossible sale.

I wouldn't buy it even if it were guarranteed to appreciate in value a million times over in the next few months.

[ohio2007]

8. China attacks Pelosi over Tibet remarks

SNIP
China's official Xinhua New Agency published commentary Sunday accusing Pelosi of ignoring the violence caused by the Tibetan rioters.

"'Human rights police' like Pelosi are habitually bad tempered and ungenerous when it comes to China, refusing to check their facts and find out the truth of the case," it said.

"Her views are like so many other politicians and western media. Beneath the double standards lies their intention to serve the interest groups behind them, who want to contain or smear China," it said.



snip
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080323/ap_on_re_as/china_tibet;_ylt=AriTU9k6JtevkbM0SSY6P9JbbBAF

Have the canidates sounded off on China's treatement of Tibetans or will they wait until after the dust settles ?

;)
Will they will answer the phone at 3am when China calls ?

[sam sarrha]

10. she better wear body armour from now on.. she could be in danger now for that

[ckramer]

11. Why would Pelosi be on the side of law breakers and trouble makers?

Killing innocent, burning down cars, throwing rocks at businesses...These are terrorists - the word Americans are familiar with. Try that in cities of America you will get killed like a dog nowadays.

Criminal behaviors are criminal behaviors. There should be no excuses regardless.

When it comes to China, double standard is applied by some democrats.

There is no doubt the anti-government riots in Tibet were in a bid to mar the Beijing Olympics. I believe that's the case. I think that's the ultimate goal of Dalai Lama orchestrating it. The guy plays the American sheeples like a drum.

Got "Law and Order"?

Pelosi should not support criminals.

[brentspeak]

12. Sounds like something posted on Free Republic

Unless you were being sarcastic.

[ckramer]

13. FYI - I don't visit Free Republic

That's my original thought.

[Kaleko]

17. Isn't it funny how they all sound the same the world over?

Same basic mind-set...

See my post on a previous thread about Tibet ~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3236316&mesg_id=3236703

[gorbal]

34. Its sort of a Maoist mindset, not necessarily a China shill

I know people who believe the story is two-sided, but slant their talk in China's favor. Good people but I think they need to check out the independent media instead of any state or business run media. You really feel you get the truth when you hear from people who are actually there.

Here is a clip of Free Tibet activists on Mt Everest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J9rUC1m8e8


And here is an indepth-"Democracy Now" segment.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/20/china_continues_crack_down_on_tibet

[Kaleko]

37. Thanks gorbal. I bookmarked those links

:hi:

And here's a Tibetan lama in a Youtube music video, I kid you not:

Mipham - What About Me ...talkin' the talk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDSAAlrqAHM&eurl=http://preciousmetal.wordpress.com/2007/04/06/sakyong-mipham-rinpoche-releases-a-cd/


... and walkin' the walk. Check him out.

Mipham's website: http://www.mipham.com/

[DRoseDARs]

18. I have to wonder, and I don't mean anything by this, if ckramer is a Chinese immigrant...

I've known Israeli immigrants that are VERY pro-Israeli government and Israeli immigrants that are VERY anti-Israeli government based solely on the actions of said government. It stands to reason there'd Chinese immigrants of both flavors too. I've never had a problem with the peoples of either country, but their respective governments leave a lot to be desired.

[gorbal]

35. I've never met a Tibetan immigrant who was pro chinese occupation

I have heard talk of some sort of compromise with the Chinese government but none are happy with what China is actually doing and their is a lot of anger.

[fujiyama]

22. Ah so we have defenders of the Chinese government

Wow, apologists for the authoritarian Chinese government?

I swear I've seen it all on this site. Then again, considering your history of posts this comes as no surprise. You're one of those "shoot em on site" types...

[FloridaJudy]

23. Excuse me?

I don't see anywhere that the Dalai Lama has advocated violence. In fact, a lot of Tibetan Buddhists are ticked off at him for his consistently pacifist stance. They think he should be more pro-active in resisting the Chinese occupation.

And it's not just the Buddhists in Tibet and Burma (whose repressive government Beijing supports) who suffer due to China's policies. Chinese Christians and Falun Gong practitioners aren't doing very well under their regime either.

Why the Olympic committee awarded the games to China is beyond me.

[gorbal]

32. Good post

FloridaJudy

I don't see anywhere that the Dalai Lama has advocated violence. In fact, a lot of Tibetan Buddhists are ticked off at him for his consistently pacifist stance. They think he should be more pro-active in resisting the Chinese occupation.

And it's not just the Buddhists in Tibet and Burma (whose repressive government Beijing supports) who suffer due to China's policies. Chinese Christians and Falun Gong practitioners aren't doing very well under their regime either.

Why the Olympic committee awarded the games to China is beyond me.

I know, exactly. Some are calling him to resign because of his pacifist stance.

I think China got the olympics because they are close to becoming the most powerful nation in the world. When you think of it, does the US deserve the Olympics?

[FloridaJudy]

36. I've asked that last question myself

Certainly Utah shouldn't have gotten them. Quite aside from the US morphing into a world-class bully, that whole bid was rife with scandal.

I also might add for those who not Buddhists: China isn't friendly to other religions either. They're up to their eyebrows in propping up the regime in Sudan which is bent on genocide against the Christians and Animists in Darfur as well. These are the last people who should be accusing the Dalai Lama of fomenting discord!

[DS1]

14. Burn everything Olympics to the ground

It's just as dead as SNL times 1,000

[DRoseDARs]

16. Why inflict acts of terrorism on the Olympics when China (and by proxy, the IOC) are at fault?

Seriously, what have the canoeists done to you?

[truthisfreedom]

24. Reality check: "China Caused Tibet Riots, Blamed Dali in Desperation"

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. According the Hugo Chavez, it was the US which caused the unrest

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's socialist President Hugo Chavez blamed the United States for violent protests in Tibet during the last two weeks that he said were aimed at trying to destabilize China.

In comments reported by his press office on Sunday, Chavez said the protests were an example of the U.S. "empire" "going against China" and trying to divide the Asian powerhouse.

Communist China has occupied Tibet, a Buddhist region previously ruled by monks, since a military invasion in 1950.

At least 19 people were killed after protests and rioting against the occupation broke out on March 10.

more: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSN2330162720080324

[DRoseDARs]

30. Next he'll blame Pol Pot, black holes, and gingivitis on the United States.

Right, the Tibetans have absolutely NO desire to be free of Chinese oppression. This is all just some evil US plot. Seriously, Chavez. Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Your schtick is getting old.

[KansDem]

31. China has sure learned from the US Republicans!

Blame someone else for the problems you create!

[gorbal]

33. When in doubt trust the independant media

Indymedia is a great source of information you won't find anywhere else-


(graphic images)

http://publish.indymedia.org/en/2008/03/902940.shtml

Also do a search for Tibet here-

http://www.indymedia.org/en/

and you will find a great deal of info (possibly from both sides of the issue but I sense an anti-China bent)