Iran 'behind Green Zone attack'

[bemildred]

Source: BBC

The most senior US general in Iraq has said he has evidence that Iran was behind Sunday's bombardment of Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone.

Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought Tehran had trained, equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets.

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"The rockets that were launched at the Green Zone yesterday, for example... were Iranian-provided, Iranian-made rockets," he said, adding that the groups that fired them were funded and trained by the Quds Force.

"All of this in complete violation of promises made by President Ahmadinejad and the other most senior Iranian leaders to their Iraqi counterparts."


Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7311565.stm

[cliffordu]

1. AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

Man, these neocon scum are going to kill us all.

[jimshoes]

13. Well, they are insane

as nearly as I can tell.

[saigon68]

15. Cowardly Betrayus drumming up new WAR for his Neocon gangster handlers

[Lorien]

2. Here we go....

these people (Cheney and Co.) are certifiable!

[bemildred]

5. Don't be so gloomy.

It could be this is just an attempt to drive a wedge between Ahm-an-idjit and al Maliki, they have been very chummy lately, and you know the US hates that. What better way than to suggest that Iran is helping shoot at al Maliki? If you're going to be mortared, might as well get some propaganda use out of it.

[CJCRANE]

3. The drumbeat to (another) war continues nt

[maseman]

6. Yup

It doesn't take any proof. Just that the General says so. Now the Veep and Resident in Chief will say "Hey, we're listening to our gen'rals."

Digusting. Well I thought we would avoid nuking Iran. Now I believe we will.

[Supersedeas]

7. get ready for the GoP Cable media outlets to strike up the War Band and roll out the barrel

[old guy]

4. I call BS!!

[tavalon]

28. Oh, come on!

They've never lied to us before about the shit going down in the Middle East, why should they start now?:sarcasm:

[Bonhomme Richard]

8. Let's see the evidence.

All this kind of talk has been going on for a while and they have not produced one single thread of irrefutable evidence. I haven't seen a single Iranian paraded in front of the press and you and I both know that if they had someone caught red handed we would be seeing them in TV ad infinitum. It's all bullshit. They capture some low level schmuck associated with the insurgents, then torture the hell out of them until they say that the Iranians trained them. It just gets deeper and deeper.
"Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought Tehran had trained, equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets."
He "Thought"....great....now lets go to war. It's all Cheney needs.

[jimshoes]

16. This just in....

Proof positive!

[tavalon]

29. Ask Colin Powell

I'm sure he still has that vial somewhere..........................................

[Supersedeas]

50. false flag?

[kestrel91316]

9. Can somebody give me a single reason to believe ANYTHING

these warmongering freaks say???

[TNOE]

53. Nope

No one can - even if they looked really hard.

[SpiralHawk]

10. "How conveniently evil of them threre sneaky Eye-ranians. Smirk." - Commander AWOL

[Tempest]

11. Catapulting the propaganda

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

12. Where have I heard this one before?

Oh, yeah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

[Gonnuts]

14. It's all so predictable ...

the firing of Fallon, the moving of additional naval forces to the region, cheney traveling there last week, now this ...

We're in big trouble folks. Attacking Iran could very well be the catalyst that will cancel the elections, (not that this will matter - all the remaining candidates are part of the problem) coupled with the tanking economy, which will cause riots and usher in Marshall Law and the employment of a total totalitarian state. All bush has to do now is utter the words "national emergency" and it's over. All the tools are in place for this to happen.

If I were a younger man or had the means I'd leave this country tomorrow, for in the near future I do not see anything getting any better but rather a free-fall that may very well place the very existence of our species at risk and the biggest fall, the country that will feel the blunt of this crash the most will be this one.

[knight_of_the_star]

43. If he declares Martial Law

Then he could possibly spark off Civil War II, I doubt that enough police and soldiers would cooperate to make it workable and in that case we would have a mess.

[Roland99]

17. Show us, Gen. Asshat!

[FatDave]

18. Gee, never saw this coming

[Algorem]

19. the BFEE changed it's name to "Iran"?That's just weird.

[ingac70]

20. Oh, please...

More fucking made up shit.

[MasonJar]

21. Obviously everything that Admiral Fallon said about him is accurate.

Didn't he just meet with Darth himself? What an outrageous and felonious bastard!

[bluesmail]

22. no doubt what this will lead to

War With The World, they are f*ng out of their minds. Who is controlling the neocons? WHO?

[Altean Wanderer]

37. Yes, and with the news that Saudi Arabia....

is getting ready for nuclear contingencies (announced right on the heels of Cheney's visit), it looks like things may go boom pretty soon. When is the new moon in April?

http://www.empireburlesquenow.blogspot.com/

[kaygore]

23. Sure, Iran is behind this...just as there is also an Easter Bunny!

[HuffleClaw]

24. well, that sure didn't take long

one might suspect a timetable is at work here

[icnorth]

25. Gen Dave just get around to reading the marching orders

Big Dick dropped off a few days ago?

[sarcasmo]

26. No evidence, Gen Petraeus told the BBC he "thought Tehran had trained,

equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets" I wonder if we will have a War with Iran because Petraeus thought.

[TheWatcher]

40. Well, you err in your assumption that these people "think" at all.

They just lie, and then act.

They aren't even trying to be inconspicuous anymore.

They ARE going to attack Iran if they can.

[tavalon]

27. Uh, huh. BTW, where are those weapons of mass destruction, Gen. Patreaus?

Are they to the east,west, north or south of Iran? Just wondering.

[Hippo_Tron]

30. I find it sad that I even have to question whether this accusation is true or not

[fascisthunter]

31. General Betrayus the Sellout Bush Shill?

Give me a frickin' break..... let's see your "proof"... and if it turns out to be phony we get to throw your treasonous ass in prison... sound ok to you big guy?

[coalition_unwilling]

52. The "chickenshit little brown-noser" according to reports of what

Fallon called Betray-us to his face before Betray-us first testified before Congress.

[stevietheman]

32. There goes Scumbucket Betray-US lying for the Criminal Bush Regime again. n/t

n/t

[ohio2007]

33. So they have the ser #'s and the "made in Iran" shrapnel bits ? nt

[Duncan]

34. Horseshit.

It smells like a set up. I wouldn't take the word of any of these neocon warmongers. It would take unassailable proof to convince me anything this gang of thugs claims is truth.

[tavalon]

38. Smells like a set up?

It is a set up! Duh.

[MisterP]

35. our fearless Kantogun are streaming towards Khalkhin Gol to combat the Red Menace! n/t

[eringer]

36. "Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought" --OH REALLY????

Given that Betrayus is part of the President Dunsel machine, his "thoughts" are all the US needs to route out the culprits that did this dirty deed. As McBush would say in chorus with "my friend Betrayus" its time to Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran. Boy, its sure become apparent why Admiral Fallon left.

[tom_paine]

39. I just voted that I didn't think Iran would be invaded before the Sham Election in November

I mean, the distraction of will we/won't we may be the Bushie objective to suck air out of the media cycle.

It is also possible that the propaganda may take on a life of it's own or Iran might rise and take the bait.

Or it might be that Bush/Cheney know they have the power of Hitler, for the most part, and are going to use it very soon.

Certainly the noises of the new Bushie Propaganda Offensive make it seem so, but never forget Bushies lie more than anyone outside of their fellow dictators and tyrants. Never forget, to o that the Bushies are without a doubt the greatest political psychomanipulative evil geniuses since the Nazis, and they work as deep as the Nazis, if not deeper.

It could still go either way, but I am leaning towards thinking the will-we/won't-we nuke Iran is intended to suck the air out of the media cycle.

Let's hope so, because the alternative is :nuke:

[TheWatcher]

41. Very interesting perspective.

And I hope you are correct, and that it does not happen.

My next question would be though, if they are doing this to suck the air out of the Media Cycle, what are they doing it for? What ultimate purpose would this serve for them at this point? They can't be doing this for fun, and the huge military build-up they are engaged in can't be just a bluff.

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on what they might do if they don't attack Iran.

To be honest, I don't think these people are going to leave power, if they think they can get away with it. NOBODY would go to this trouble and this expense to put something like this together and then just pass the baton. If that is the case then this is the most spectacular exercise of fantastical insanity in the history of man, or there is something much larger, much more sinister afoot.

[tom_paine]

42. Just keep the pot boiling, in the media cycle, keep threatening.

It may be something to them like, "well, it's a win-win situation. If we don't attack the pot keeps boiling and sukcing air from the media cycle. If Iran rises to take the bait and attacks our ships, then we proceed with OpPlan Nuke 'em to the Stone Age and no one will say boo."

Who really knows the details, which are murky. But the trends are clear.

I also think the one thing the Bushies dare not do is remain in power directly after Jan. 2009. After all, Phony National Elections help keep the peasants docile, and the critics questioning themselves (is it this bad? could they really be doing this? but there's no direct evidence, no smoking gun...I mean I know the Bush DOJ is a criminal enterprise and would NEVER investigate their fellow Bushies, but we still don't have a smoking gun. I wonder? Could it be? Surely it's not? and so forth).

Plausible Deniability is the mother's milk of tyrants everywhere. Right up there with secrecy.

Phony National Elections (and I still think we probably elect our local and state officials with our votes, mostly...it hasn't reached down that far YET) are the production value that keeps paying dividends, so Mccain it is!

The Royal Bushies will be passing the baton because it is the one thing they HAVE to do. It may be one of the very very VERY few laws the Bushies still can't openly, shamelessly break.

But rest assured that, as with Reagan and even to a far lesser extent Clinton (not that I am suggesting open collusion, though that may be, but at the very least that the Bush Machine hijacked America's National Dialogue and institutions all throughout Clinton's reign) they won't be that far from control and will either be exerting their influence (Clinton Era) or running things through a defacto doddering puppet (Reagan Era), probably the latter as McCain is all but on the throne, even now, so obvious is our sham system these days. (The Democratic Opponent has a 2% chance, and I will certainly advise everyone I can to vote in the hopes that we can swamp the rigging with honest votes, as we barely did in 2006 - how badly did we have to beat them even to get that tiny "win"?)

So I think that the Bushies will continue to use their Unlimited Dollars Printing Press to infuse massive cash into the markets to keep the econmoic bullshit going and prolong the collapse (I now believe they can do so for quite some time still, so strong was Old America and so very determined is the world to play 1930s Europe to Bush's Hitler), which of course is being cause by their own massive liquidating and looting of our nation.

On the Iran front, while it certainly is possible things are as we have seen, it's a reprisal of the Iraq Script, and the mushrooms will be blooming in Iran in the spring, I somehow think the game is deeper.

I have learned in Bushie Kremlinology that these are very very Machiavellian and bad people, and that things are seldom as they appear on the surface.

I have also noticed that Bushie Kremlinology shows that they have ramped things up in this way before and pulled back, in what I speculate was as much about sucking up the media cycle, sacring people, and sucking the political "air from the room", as it was about military strategy (other than baiting Iran for a legitimate provocation).

[TheWatcher]

44. Thank You tom. That was very good insight,

Personally I think it could go either way with these people. I think there are warring factions within this bunch of criminals right now, so there may be more wild cards than we know, but all we can do is watch and wait, and try to make out own plans to figure out how to live with whatever is coming.

I share the same concerns about the coronation of McCain as well, and I think a lot of DU'ers are not taking McCain seriously enough. Neither one of our candidates is going to win in November unless we do as you said, overwhelm the rigged game to such an extent that they CAN'T cheat. Even then I do not know if it will matter. And to be frankly honest, I don't think either one of our candidates presents much in the way of a solution either. it certainly all makes for good Theater though, doesn't it?

What concerns me more than Iran is the economic factor. People simply do not grasp what is going on right now, and too many mindlessly cheer "victory' everytime the Stock Market goes up, or The Fed or TPTB do something to further delay the inevitable, while at the same time bailing out and giving sanctuary to the very monsters that created the problems that now threaten to systematically dismantle the Global Economy.

Have no illusions, our economy is not functioning on fundamentals or anything resembling reality any longer. It's being run on psychology, spin, and propaganda.

Tyranny is not coming, it is here.

The only question that remains is what flavor we will be serving under.

PLEASE keep posting. Your perspective, and those like you, is badly needed right now.

Cheers to you.

[tom_paine]

45. Thanks, Watcher. And I agree about the warring factions within the cabal

That's usually how totalitarian govts. like our wind up looking. Not a certainty, details never are, but a likelihood of that or something like it.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to know there was the bitterest of intrigues going on within the several factions: Poppy's, Cheney's, even Lil' Boots, Rummy probably still has a bunch, again who knows?

Economic, environmental, and social Disasters are exploding in slow motion across this nation, wrecking more of us peasants' lives as it roils across the landscape.

The giant sucking sound is the robbery of trillions of dollars representing billions and billions of hours of people's work and earnings.

It works. Again and again and again and AGAIN. Even NOW, at this late date, 97-99.5% of our fellow Imperial Subjects...cluless.

Oh, they're pissed off the price of gasoline, eggs and bread are skyrocketing but beyond that?

Again and again and AGAIN. Same magician same trick. Repetition works. Repetition works. Everything Hitler did in the field of propaganda still works almost exactly as it did then, and as well. Plus the understanding of the human mind is so so SOOOOOOO advanced compared to that. The psychological H-bomb, as it were, and oh how we have been carpet-bombed by that!

Ironically, if you think about the big picture, all of THAT represents trillions of dollars and billion of person-hours to create such a magnificently evil edifice as the Bushies have done.

They can LITERALLY create False Realities out of whole cloth? Truth? No such thing. They have the powers of Gods, in this way, a power of mass manipulation far beyond any that have ever come before, combined with the ruthless and shameless Machiavellian usage of State Power fused to Party Power.

Ever read Sebastian Haffner's "Defying Hitler"? It's worthwhile and will help you understand yourself and those around you during these times of what is essentially National Psychosis.

It outlines questions that we all face today, and the choices they had then, in the face of far greater violence and personal hazard directed at them personally, were largely the choices we have now, under the Bushies.

We are living in the nightmare the Germans lived in. Thank God OUR Bushie/Nazis are forced to camouflage themselves more, and cannot practice the kind of open wanton brutality that their spiritual forebears practiced against the rest of us. We are quite lucky in that regard.

If this Bushie Takeover and destruction of Old America had taken place before the 60s, when Bushies were lynching and murdering by the tens of thousands WITHOUT Hannity, Rush, and O'Reilly egging them on, I think we would have had a closer to the Nazi Experience instead of this kinder and gentler Bushie Experience.

But that could never happen. Hitler was too fresh in everyone's mind to replicate in the 60s. Therefore, Rush, O'Reilly, and Hannity had to wait to become Nationally Acceptable as our New Julius Streicher Brigade of Shrieking Haters. And, thanks to Western Civilization being "shamed" (temporarily, it seems) by Hitler's over-the-top malevolence, creating the climate that fueled the Civil Rights Movement and the 60s, beating liberals, jews, blacks and other dissenters became far less prevalent, leading to this crazy, mostly peaceful "nonviolent nonracial Nazism" the Bushies practice today.

So we've got THAT to be thankful for, too, for however long this phase lasts. Some have postulated it may continue on static like this. I doubt it, but it a unique form of "hope" and shows just how far we've fallen.

Sorry, I'm rambling now, but things are WAAAAAY far along. Further than I ever could imagine in that sunny summer of 2000, those carefree last days of freedom and the Old Republic.

Because there is a 98% chance that whatever happens in the next decade, even a temporary "Clinton-type economic restoration" let alone a status quo turnaround that puts the recovery of the System of Checks and Balances on track, is out of our reach.

We shall see. There is always hope, however small. And even a "Clinton (or Obama)-type economic restoration" would be simple heavan and pardise to this nightmare the nation has been living these past 7 years.

[BeHereNow]

46. Something sinister like this?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8165
BHN

[TheWatcher]

47. I hear you BHN.

For those still drunk on the idea that "It Can't Happen Here", that particular article will make one sober post haste. Assuming one has allowed oneself to consume the Red Pill before reading. :)

But I guess like another astute poster said up thread, it's all lunacy, conspiracy pap, nothing exists, everything's fine, the government loves you, all "Official Accounts" of everything are the Word of God, The Men In Caves are the only real threats we have to worry about, RAH RAH, USA! USA!, It Can't Happen Here, Too Many People Would Have To Be In On It for it to be real, etc, etc, etc.

These days, I no longer worry about what it is going to take to wake the people up to what is really going on with their leadership or their country.

I'm beginning to worry that even if the worst, most unthinkable happens, they won't be able to wake up AT ALL.

The only thing more terrifying than the prospect of "When are they coming to get me?", is the realization that more than likely, when all is said and done, they don't need to.

[BeHereNow]

56. I'm voting for "they wont need to"

The economy alone will turn us all into prisoners.
Can't get very far without the means, and by the time
they are done with us, most of us will be eating tree bark soup.

BHN

[Javaman]

48. So Iran has been shelling the Kurds for weeks in northern Iraq...

yet the stooges* in the WH are going apeshit over these mortars that they have no evidence of who ever fired them.

Life in surreal land.

[gasperc]

49. shia al-queda or sunni al-queda

that's an important detail, especially since shia al-queda doesn't even exist. Made even worse by the fact that we are fighting al-queda in Iraq at the same time that we are fighting Iran, apparently, uggh

[Zhade]

51. Suuuuure. I really trust proven liars.

Btw, this is the same liar that the liar clinton complimented.

I swear I don't understand how clinton supporters can be so blind.

[Megahurtz]

54. Right.

Yes Sir! I believe anything that you and yours say. :eyes:

[superconnected]

55. We'll invade iran before bush leaves office. this is more attempt at

justification. The average right hast to be told what to think, then will jump on this and start shouting, "invade"!

And no, I don't believe it either.