Website pulls anti-Islam film after threats

[ben_meyers]

Source: NineMSN

The anti-Islam film 'Fitna' by far-right Dutch MP Geert Wilders has been pulled from the internet after the website company which posted it received threats.

British-based Liveleak.com said it pulled down the video, which can still be seen on other websites, including youtube.com. The film was posted to the internet on Friday.

"Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been left with no other choice but to remove 'Fitna' from our servers," the site said in a statement.

"This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else," the online statement said.



Read more: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=418955

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Too late, this is all over the net already, you can download it as a torrent now too.

[OwnedByFerrets]

1. Geert Wilders has already

gone underground because of many death threats.

[Rage for Order]

32. Link to the film here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrCsTMokTU

[Speck Tater]

2. .

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[thunder rising]

3. It would be no different if it was anti Southern Babtist. Fuck that hate film, they need to hide

[selador]

12. bull

the film is excellent. have u seen it?

and i can guarantee you that you could make an anti southern baptist film and not face the death threats, etc. that this film has gotten. furthermore, if you did get death threats you could be pretty sure they were just isolated wackos

that's not the case when threatened for "insulting islam" as rushdie, van goghe (sp?) etc. prove clearly enough

who was the last person killed by southern baptists for insulting them?

(crickets...)

[ohio2007]

16. YouTube users posted the Liveleak video before Liveleak pulled it.

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcvSkDJ6HuQ&feature=related
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZUTloCxQ_Q&feature=related

Actually, the movie is pretty lame since the head chopping of infidels was edited and no equal time was given to DVD's burned in the middle east by martyrs and what they say about the aspirations and future of their religion....






btw
you can read and leave comments at those sites

[boppers]

51. Yeah, they haven't bombed health clinics, murdered people in broad daylight...

For at least, what, 5 years now?

Not counting, of course, their latest "crusades" to alter the middle east.

Yeah, real tame folks, those Christians.

[tidy_bowl]

25. Why is it....

....that you are so afraid of the truth? The truth cannot be hateful...only the truth. Southern Baptists would react the same way? On what planet?

[Flagg]

38. And what truth is that ?

That every single muslim in the world only lives to take over the world and kill infidels?

[Gullvann]

39. How come you ask that question?

How is it related to the movie?

Are you perhaps talking about another film?

[Flagg]

40. The movie makes no distinctions between muslims and terrorists

It's just a series of clips of terror attacks and hate speech by radical imams and extremists.
There's no mention whatsoever of the overwhelming law-abiding European muslim majority.

Just the same old scare-mongerig Eurabia crap with demographics charts interspersed with a few beheadings to scare the shit out of you. The message is clear. Muslims = death.

I know plenty of muslim people in France. All they want is a job and be accepted as an integral part of society. Most of them don't give a shit about some Jihad against the West.

The film was made by an extreme right wing Dutch politician with an agenda.
I support his right to make this kind of film but I don't have to support it and agree with its message.

[Gullvann]

42. Right

I agree that it is a propaganda movie. Note: That does not necessarily mean that it consists of outright lies. It doesn't. But, it is intended to make a certain impression. I guess the new Mccain add is also propaganda in that respect.

But, I do not think that movie implies at all that all muslims are high on jihad or anything like that. I guess different people read different things into it depending on their perspective.

I am glad you support his right to make the movie. I agree with you. Normally I would not give a person like Wilders a second thought, but when threats start flying, I feel the need to back up his right to free speech and to stop the people who are threatening him. I think the liberal democracies depend on this sort of solidarity. Like the labour minister in Norway said when a young Somali girl was assaulted by some thugs screaming koranic verses at her in Oslo because they thought she had insulted the koran (sigh). The labour minister said something like: "We have to make sure she now has 4,5 million bodyguards" (i.e. everyone in Norway).

For Wilders life certainly cannot be easy either. He has lived under cover for several years now, after the murder of van Gogh. To him, his life is in one way already destroyed forever. Hunted in his own land. Kinda sad and scary if you ask me.

Fiddling around liveleak I came over this recent interview with Wilders on Danish TV where he is asked about the movie and his intentions. He cites a poll that says that half the young marrocans in Holland want sharia and rejects democracy. have a look:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d26_1206135902

BTW: The interview is from the public Danish TV so the interviewer is critical as she should be.

I have to admit that the whole "Eurabia" thing is confusing to me. Certainly there are problems with immigration and integration in many European countries. I don't think Wilders is the solution. But, neither is putting your head in the sand and pretending everything is hunkydory.

There has been some talk lately in your country whether you are ready for an honest discussion on race. I wonder if Europe is ready for an honest discussion on islam and religion...

Anyways, I hope you are having a great weekend.

Cheers.

[Gullvann]

33. What do you mean? (eom)

[tomreedtoon]

4. What's with the Dutch and Danish about intolerance?

Here, I thought European countries were so sophisticated, advanced, liberal and better cooks than us and all that. But this Dutch filmmaker decides to make a prejudicial film against Islam, and before that, the Danish press proudly published all those nasty Mohammed cartoons.

Sure, there are racists here in the States, but they have to be very careful to be subtle. Blatant racism disgusts people and makes the racists look like rubes and jerks. How is it that these European countries do such blatant media displays and get away with it?

[msongs]

6. yeah to hell with freedom of speech and all those other anti-religious things

its a weak faith that cannot accept any criticism without threating death

Msongs

[tomreedtoon]

10. Might I suggest you yell the "N word" on a Harlem streetcorner?

Freedom of speech may allow one to be offensive, but it does not save a person from the penalties for being offensive. It is not terribly sane to scream imprecations about a race or a religion. Oh, intellectually you could do it, to prove a point at the cost of your life - but there are a lot better causes to which you could sacrifice your life.

And from what little I've seen in the samples of this film, it's mostly racial hatred.

[selador]

14. rubbish

"Freedom of speech may allow one to be offensive, but it does not save a person from the penalties for being offensive"

yes. which should be CRITICISM. not death threats , let alone rushdie type responses (fatwah etc.)

personally, i thought the movie was excellent and not offensive. but the point is that it is most definitely a RIGHT to be offensive (at least it still is in the US. europe is rapidly ceding speech rights, although this is a good counterexample).

what is disgusting is that making a film like this exposes people to death threats

[ohio2007]

18. If you want to hear the "N" word, might I suggest listening to a new music venue

O&A short;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMXAcIx2ze4

If you listen carefully,you can make out the nationality of the cab driver ... that is a test to see if you are a believer in stereotyping .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpRqvCps_MQ&NR=1

[SteinbachMB]

19. The film

is based on fact. Selective facts, but that was the point wasn't it? The Canadian CAIR rep called it "propaganda" but refused to discuss the actual film, and its contents. There is a reason she did this: the hard facts of the film are based on actual events.

[Rage for Order]

31. Muslim is a race now? n/t

[tomreedtoon]

47. Even worse than race; it's a religion. Even touchier.

People are even angrier when you insult religion than race. Racial prejudice COULD be just chalked up to ignorance. When you hit on someone's God-and-existence concepts, you're criticizing something that can be intensely personal. I'm pretty sure there are a lot more religious wars than race wars, not that I've devoted my life to making such a study...

[Gullvann]

35. I just saw the film now on google.

How would you say it is mostly racial hatred?

[Xithras]

9. Tolerance does not mean acceptance.

There are many aspects to the way some people practice Islam that should never be accepted in western society. I watched Fitna, and my biggest complaint about it was that it drew no line between the extremists and those Muslims who reject violence and accept tolerance.

Essentially, the whole thing was just a big collage of clips from various terrorist attacks, audio soundbytes from some Imams that make Reverend Wright look like Ghandi, and some excerpts from the Koran. It's a recompilation of the same material that's been floating around the Internet for years, so I don't get why it's attracting so much media attention.

[Gullvann]

36. Tolerance means that

we have to accept such a movie even if we don't like it. No death threats etc.

Quite simple really.

Or it ought to be.

[selador]

13. how is this film prejudicial?

be specific.

i haven't seen any examples, and yes i saw it.

and the film wasn't made by a european country. it was made by an individual filmmaker. you may disagree with his pov, but props to him for making such an excellent film and im glad that we have disparate voices out there

[ohio2007]

17. Dutch intolerant? Don't they allow drug use and sex in their city parks?

or are certain elements in the Dutch "moral" minority going to clean up the country ?

[Gullvann]

34. Because we are actually liberal?

Just a thought.....

[Hissyspit]

5. It is a slick ignorant inflammatory piece of propaganda.

It's purpose is not to inform or promote enlightenment but to inflame and stereotype. Just as hate-mongering as any al Qaeda propaganda.

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[tkmorris]

8. "This one's dead, Jim"

There's nothing I can do for him. He's just too far gone.

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[tidy_bowl]

26. There is a BIG...

....difference between Muslim extremism and Christian extremism and the fact that many cannot (or refuse to) see that is both sad and a wonder to me.

[selador]

15. telling the truth and inflaming

does promote enlightenment.

and i have yet to see any aspect of this movie that anybody can point out as untruthful

furthermore, good documentaries can intend to (and successfully) inflame.

certainly, michael moore, who is a fabulous filmmaker does so.

if exposing truths INFLAMES then so be it.

[selador]

11. it is NOT an anti-islam film

i've seen it. it's anti-jihadist and anti-islamic terror.

i was waiting for the scum (and people who threaten to kill people over exercise of free speech ARE scum regarldess of religion) to start the threats, etc. surprised it took so long, frankly.

[Flagg]

20. The problem with this film

is that the director makes absolutely no distinctions between muslims and terrorists.
Nevermind that the overwhelming majority of European muslims are peaceful law-abiding citizens.

No the point of this film is that every single muslim on the planet wants to cut slit your throat and impose sharia law on your ass.

I support his right right to make such a movie but it's shit. Complete shit.

[ohio2007]

21. It only takes a few and nobody will be laughing it off for long

the vocal minority some call fascists have a lot in common with this Hitler stand up comic routine about FDR;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0G5aYiLfVM&feature=related

They only make demands for r-e-s-p-e-c-t and will tolerate nothing less total submission to their demands.

Never before in England have so few done so much for so many ......

Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is bliss
Love is hate

[DemExpat]

37. No, the point of the movie is that Islamic radicals are inspired by

direct quotes/orders from the Koran and from radical Imans in the East and West.
And that the growing numbers of moderate peaceful, law-abiding muslim citizens are either also held hostage by radicals, quietly support any Allah-inspired/directed damage to decadent/unbelieving Western society, or because of their submission to the Koran's teachings do not see it as their role to make a massive stand against the radicals.
The encroachment of Western society with sharia requests, threats to freedom of speech, death threats to critics of Islam, demands for separation with schools, apart prayer and exercise rooms, swimming pools, hospitals, Mosques and calls to prayers in urban neighborhoods, growing number of attacks on gays, etc. is creating prospects for a very divided and tense society here IMO.

DemEx

[jberryhill]

50. But when.....

...a speaker fails to make a distinction between "white" and "racist"...

...or between "male" and "sexist"....

...you don't see thousands of people rallying in streets calling for the death of that person, now do you?

[SpikeTss]

22. By far the worst terrorists

don't have Islamic faith. Bush is one of them, with more than 1.2 million Iraqis dead since his latest war of aggression started, he is now in the same league as Pol Pot. The problem is that the ordered murders of the army are not called terrorist attacks but get funny names like 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' (OIL).

Capitalistic greed kills the most people and not Islamic faith.

[ohio2007]

23. Free Speech , speak it while you can

before the laws in GB morph into making it a hate crime to speak....certain words about certain folks.....;


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a66_1206794408


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a86_1206745265

[selador]

30. the UK etc. already have far more restrictive speech laws than us

see: Race Relations Act for example.

england is a great country, but they have ceded the right to controversial speech.

[ohio2007]

48. maybe exchange their figurehead monarchy for a Iranian style democracy

Iran summons Dutch envoy over Koran film

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Foreign Ministry summoned the Dutch ambassador on Sunday in protest at an "insulting and anti-Islamic" film by a Dutch lawmaker that accuses the Koran of inciting violence, state media said.


snip
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080330/wl_nm/dutch_islam_iran_dc

I wonder if they will hold the Dutch ambassador for a period of time if the Dutch refuse to 'submit' ....

Maybe they will try to break their 444 day record ;)

[High Plains]

49. I don't think the Dutch imposed a shah on them.

But don't let that stop you.

[ohio2007]

53. My links were about British bloggers having their say....

But I did post the link of how Dutch officials find themselves on the carpet with Irans rulers. You enjoyed the fact that Jimmy Carter had his hands tied by a few holy men building a theocracy ?
fine, even if a majority of Muslims come in to power in the Neatherlands, I'm glad they could never vote for that kind of change any time soon.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3249143&mesg_id=3249143

[Flagg]

24. When did DU morph into littlegreenfootballs ?

Weird....
:wtf:

[Name removed]

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[Scurrilous]

29. Yawn.

Uproar Over Anti-Islam Film Falls Flat

<snip>

"The leader of Netherlands' anti-immigration party, Geert Wilders, posted an anti-Islam film Thursday that was expected to raise an uproar among Muslims. So far, the fallout has fallen flat.

Wilders posted his film on the Internet after local distributors declined to release it. His film entitled, "Fitna," which translates to "Discord" in Arabic, suggests the Quran promotes violence and acts of terrorism. The 10-minute film shows various verses of the Quran followed by a montage of violent photos and video ranging from the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center to photos of the Shiite ritual of self-flagellation.

Wilders concludes the film with a graphic, saying it is up to "Muslims themselves to tear out the hateful verses of the Quran. Muslims want you to make way for Islam, but Islam does not make way for you." Wilders urges his audience to "stop Islamization, defend our freedom."

So far, the protests over the film have been largely over legal issues. European news reports say Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard will sue Wilders for using his copyrighted image of the prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban. News reports also say Dutch rapper Salah Edin is seeking legal recourse for his picture appearing in the film mistaking him for the man who murdered Dutch film director Theo van Gogh.

Small protests over the controversial film have sprouted in the Muslim world but have remained nonviolent."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4544952&page=1

[Igel]

44. Perhaps.

The cartoon uproar was delayed--it happened months after the first publication in Denmark. Hell, the uproar in Egypt happened months after the first publication of them in an Egyptian newspaper.

It took a bit of campaigning behind the scenes. Now, this might not happen with "Fitna"; or they tried it, and the faction that would be outraged can't work up enough outrage over this. Hard to know; time will tell.

[ohio2007]

46. the dinosaur media is their main frame windows OS. If the MSM fails

to put the word out, few after friday prayer rallies take place. But in Pakistanand other countries, the word is getting out..... and our dinosaur media won't jump to cover it ;) could be a political football this time of year .

http://www.dawn.com/2008/03/29/top7.htm



That story kinda reads like a hate crime

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Pakistan+news+source%2Coutrage+over+film+release&btnG=Search




Condemnation builds of Dutch anti-Islam film

snip
A handful of Muslim countries had responded early Friday, with Iran saying the short movie showed some Westerners were waging a "vendetta" against Islam, and warning of unspecified repercussions.
snip
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080328183421.ely663ll&show_article=1

wonder if they are going to boycott Danish beer and cheese or send a few 'pilgrims' across the border into Basra....

I very much doubt they will burn churches with christians locked inside.

Like thats never happened before

[slackmaster]

41. Just watched it, and I have to cast another vote for "Yawn"

The reaction from elements of the Muslim world is entirely too predictable. This is more of a publicity stunt than anything else.

It's not like he went out and actually filmed anything.

[Gullvann]

43. I sort of agree.

More interesting has been the whole circus surrounding it for several months now even before it was released.

BTW: I doubt we will see any sort of reaction in the muslim world this time like we saw back with the Danish cartoons.

You will have more stuff like the OIC working through the U.N, EU etc to try to ban anti islamic speech and such.

Ironically I think... Large parts of the movie could have been an actual Al Qaeda propanda film (Though they arguably have better production values). Perhaps bin Laden will show it to his new recruits to get them fired up :-P

[rayofreason]

45. Yep...

Kinda boring. The most interesting thing is the effect. If the Jihadis were just to ignore it it would go away. People will want to see the film because of all the fuss,not because it is some great piece of propaganda art.

But then if the Jihadis don't try to exact some price, someone else might make fun of the Mohammed (Pork Be Upon Him) - OOPS! See!! It is happening already!!!!

SILENCE! I KILL YOU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MugQDD2FcKQ

[ohio2007]

52. If it was supposed to be a docudrama, it was a weak Dutch film that failed to live up to the hype

This one, on the other hand,is in English but has Dutch subtitles.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8105709395775858867


I doubt many are willing to watch the first three minutes of it before they are faced with a dilemma of seeing it as either a 90 minute documentary or a sly propaganda piece.

It's what it is. A program about a religion that needs to be looked at by members of that religion. Yet leaders of that religion fear such a confrontation by its own flock.

[ohio2007]

54. ?

Please do not give a right-wing, non-media source for a story nor link to a controversial and inflammatory "film" in LBN.

Thank you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3250579

The first videos of Bhutto's assassination were uploaded to Liveleak. The private citizen in the crowd wasn't concerned about making a buck when others started to scramble and used the videos for free . Those people were living and sharing history. Same thing goes for the straits of Hormuz incident some time ago.Individuals from both sides shared videos(and audios) that most likely prevented a war by providing evidence to the world in a rather timely way via a decent internet connection to a waiting world.

I don't see how videos posted by "freedom fighters" blowing up stuff or people with koran thumping singing imam providing background mood vocals is considered a right wing website......

Anybody with even a small camera phone can capture a moment in time and post it there or anywhere. True, some use it as a soap box to pontificate to cy ber space travelers. All sorts of people reply to the videos from around the world... at least the flags of most countries that don't have a heavy handed government that says to its people "You can't look at everything"

Liveleak, as Youtube, is not all politics.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a05_1206910502

I wonder how many countries Liveleak,YouTube or even Myspace are banned in for allowing individuals such freedom of expression ?

/screed

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e7faaa9454