Divers recover bodies after sealing boat capsizes (3 killed on first day of seal slaughter)

[Barrett808]

Source: CBC News

Divers recovered the bodies of three seal hunters Saturday from a fishing vessel that capsized about 70 kilometres north of Cape Breton.

Lt. Lora Collier of the Canadian navy said divers were still searching for a fourth missing sealer who was aboard the overturned fishing boat.

The 12-metre vessel, from the Îles de la Madeleine in Quebec, had steering problems and was being towed to Sydney, N.S., by a Canadian Coast Guard ship early Saturday when it overturned.

Collier said the boat was carrying a crew of six when it ran into trouble in the icy waters.

Another vessel that was nearby picked up two of the crew members. They were on deck when the boat overturned. The other four men were sleeping below deck when the boat flipped, Collier said.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/03/29/capsized.html

[BrklynLiberal]

1. ....I hope this guy was one of the dead ones...

No pity on anyone who perishes doing this....




www.boycott-canada.com/photos/index.htm

[Frisbee]

4. Anybody who can do that...

Anybody who can do that, or isn't outraged knowing that it happens, is sub-human in my book, and I will have no sympathy for them no matter how horrible a thing happens to them. Anything they get will pale in comparison to what they deserve. I can honestly say that I hate these f---ing people, and wish them only the worst.

[TomInTib]

16. And I hope they drowned really slowly...

and clawed their fucking fingers to the bone, trying to go through the hull.

There is no Hell too hot for those bastards.

[MonkeyFunk]

66. Ah, that's nice

it really shows your compassion for animals to wich such things on people.

[Lorien]

40. No kidding

how can there be any humanity left in such a person? I would think that such an "occupation" would suck one's soul dry after only a short while. Aren't there thousands of better ways to make a buck? Doesn't Canada have a fairly decent educational system?

[dipsydoodle]

2. How awful

:sarcasm:

Maybe the seals clubbed 'em when they hit the water which would serve them f*cking right.

[Barrett808]

3. Sea Shepherd: Canadian Government Irresponsibility Kills Four Sealers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x140791

[flvegan]

5. I feel sorrow for their families.

Somebody loved those folks, and they're experiencing a terrible loss I'm sure.

While I hate what the sealers do, I don't wish them any harm.

[natrat]

19. i hope there families burn in hell for living off the profits of seal blood-fuck them

[flvegan]

21. Most of them live largely off the profits of fishing.

Guess you don't eat seafood, either.

Sealing is a small part of their income.

[blayne]

22. Oh my!

I think it's time for your pills.

Remember that we can't pick our families.

[Kajsa]

29. Self delete.

Posted in error.

[Psephos]

26. As opposed to living off pig blood or cow blood

I am completely against the seal hunt. However, the hypocrisy of "seal-ist" outrage beggars description.

[The Stranger]

39. It appears that someone recognizes how the system works and refuses to hold his or her tongue . . .

. . . because others are stuck in the system, and claiming to have no alternative but to support it.

I would call that progress.

[Kajsa]

27. My sentiments exactly, Fivegan.

While I am strongly opposed to this seal slaughter,

they were someone's son, husband, father, brother, etc.

I wish them no harm, either.

:(

[uppityperson]

33. Me too. I almost didn't open this topic, was afraid it would sound like it does.

Nice to see some humane people here too. I agree with the sentiments you express here.

[Submariner]

6. They should have left the bodies in the drink for fish food

slimy bastards deserved it.

[nytemare]

7. I feel so sorry for those cute baby seals.

I boycott Canadian seafood. Those companies fund the lobby for sealers, and own the factories that process the pelts.

http://www.harpseals.org/helpstop/boycott.html

[bahrbearian]

34. Better boycott Alaskan seafood then too

In the Pribiloff Island's in the Bering Sea we do the same thing ,takes place every summer. And the skins are alocated to Russian and Japan to keep them from harvesting at Sea. And None of the Butchers are Fisherman either.

[fshrink]

8. Maybe they can make boots out of their skin?

[TwilightGardener]

9. Excuse me while I DON'T cry.

[Thickasabrick]

10. I hope they are reincarnated as seals. n/t

[Wilms]

11. I hope no fish were hurt in the incident. n/t

[NeoConsSuck]

12. I wish the boat

would have held more than three.

[Politicalboi]

13. Only 3 dead

Too bad. I have no sympathy for them either. Yes and they do have families but maybe it will cut the circle of son following father. And I too hope no fish were hurt or polluted with their bodies.

[slackmaster]

14. Commercial fishing is the most dangerous occupation in the world

My condolences to the families of the deceased.

[slampoet]

25. Amen.

I think the people here on DU really don't realize something about these hunters.


These people are Aboriginals, First People, what you call Native Americans.

Do a google image of the nearest city and you will find a place that is beyond what almost any of us know as poverty.



You think it sucks to be poor? Try being poor when it is -40 degrees outside.




The only evil people here are the persons who BUY the Dead Seals. Everyone else is just living in Their World.

[bahrbearian]

35. 1st off , they are not fisherman.

They are Seal Butchers,
Not all fishing is that dangerous. The only danger is the people you fish for or with.
Try Logging

[slackmaster]

47. They were being transported by a commercial fishing boat in hazardous waters

:hi:

[High Plains]

15. What a bunch of vicious DU assholes on display!

Get your values straight, people.

And I better not catch you wearing or eating any products made from animals.

[Thickasabrick]

17. WTF? Values? Vicious? Because everyone is not mourning

the passing of these butchers they are vicious? Do you wear or eat seal? If so - then I hold as much disgust for you as I do these guys.

Please - examine your own "values" before passing judgment.

[zonkers]

18. I do not feel bad for anyone who clubs seal pups for a living.

[natrat]

20. screw that-we are seeing the death throws of the planet and you have the nerve to talk about values

[Canuckistanian]

32. There aren't any "seal farms". This is just slaughter for fashion.

Seal meat isn't even popular in the Maritimes (our term for the eastern provinces).

The problem I have is that the seal hunt violates basic hunting practice - take only mature animals that have already had a chance to reproduce. The seal hunt takes ONLY baby seals - which eventually threatens the whole population balance.

And for what? The soft, pliable baby seal pelts, useful only for high-priced fashion apparel.

So this is a FAR CRY from mere domestic animal farming or even traditional subsistence hunting.

[The Stranger]

67. Damn straight -- it is good seeing people angry and unafraid.

Would only it happened more often.

[LanternWaste]

68. The meat that I eat isn't clubbed to death...

The meat that I eat isn't clubbed to death as part of the procurement process (and before use another tired canard gets used-- I know from which local farm my beef and pork comes from, I know the owners and I know their methods...).

"And I better not catch you wearing or eating any products made from animals..."

Or what? You'll wag your finger in my face?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

23. So there CAN BE justice.

With any luck they hit their heads on the side of the boat as they fell overboard.

Sound cold? It's what I feel.



With great effort I refrain from posting the post-clubbing seal pup victim pic because there are those here who would whine about it.

[Number9Dream]

24. Slaughter proving to be a disaster for all involved

And the Canadian govt subsidizes this horror. If they spent the same millions on establishing industries in Newfoundland and re-training these people for other occupations, this horror show could be avoided.

http://thetyee.ca/Views/2005/04/11/HuntingSeals/

snip> For political and bureaucratic reasons, the Canadian government directly subsidizes the Harp seal hunt for about $3-4 million annually, including capital costs, infrastructure, subsidized salaries, and other services. (2004 figures)

[Lorien]

41. There are a million better ways to make a buck, and a living

killing seals is both a horror for the animals and a dangerous and nasty occupation for a human beings. Whatever happened to ingenuity and the value of a good education?

[Algorem]

28. just toss them onto the nearest garbage barge

[Turbineguy]

30. Whew! Sorry but some of you sound like

Fundie Christians!

[pokercat999]

77. Fundie christians would be the ones WEARING the furs.

After all, doesn't the bible say the animals are here for our use? Or something like that. Maybe it's we have dominion over the animals which they interpret to mean the same thing. I interpret it to mean we have responsibility for the animals and their domain. Guess that's why I'm not a christian....too much sense and I'm too much of a human being as opposed to these homo-sapians.

and yes i'm a vegetarian that doesn't buy or wear leather, I do my best to avoid products tested on animals and if I was alone in this world I would be an active member of ALF.

Perfect? Not by a long shot but at least I'm trying and I'm doing my best.

[kittycat1164]

31. the epitome of Karma n/t

[HuffleClaw]

36. this is the DU equivalent of the FR response to Rachel Corrie's death

progressives are supposed to be compassionate people.


would any of those who spouted their hate repeat it to the families of those who died?

[YankmeCrankme]

44. What warped logic.

Rachel Corrie died trying to stop Israeli oppression of Palestinians, these guys died trying to club baby seals. There is no equivalency between them.

Some people are showing compassion for the seals, not the people that are brutally clubbing them to death.

[HuffleClaw]

60. its the same sort of

mindless hate though.

[YankmeCrankme]

63. It's not even close to the same.

I'm reading indifference not mindless hate.

[Johnny Harpo]

37. Finally...Score 3 For The Seals!

n/t

[spoony]

38. These deaths compound the overall tragedy

It isn't justice. It isn't karma. It isn't the seals' revenge. It's a group of people and a slew of animals who have/are/will die for no reason.

[AmericanUnity]

42. JUSTICE !!!!!!!!

[TommyO]

43. To all of you who are celebrating the death of these three

you're just as inhuman as the seal slaughterers.

[girl gone mad]

62. lol

you're funny.

[TommyO]

64. No, I'm 100% serious!

Those celebrating the deaths of others are less than human.

[LanternWaste]

74. Or (and I find this more likely)...

"Those celebrating the deaths of others are less than human."

Or (and I find this more likely), there are people who are venting some steam in a harmless manner rather than allowing it to build up inside of them.

[bitchkitty]

45. I'll bet the seals that they killed

had a much harder death than drowning.

[Barrett808]

65. Indeed, the sealers are not abiding by the "humane kill" rule:

Sealers 'breaking humane law' (+video)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3249332

[Magrittes Pipe]

69. I'd rather be clubbed to death than drown.

By FAR. Drowning is one of the most horrible ways to die.

But you already knew that. You just think seals are "cute" and therefore more valuable than the humans involved or the mosquito you swat off your arm.

Jackass.

[bitchkitty]

70. Jackass?

You have no idea of who I am, what I think, or what I feel. I don't think seals are "cute". I do think that bashing their heads in for their fur is a disgusting way to make a living, and if you think that's okay, then you're a disgusting person. Asshole.

[Magrittes Pipe]

71. I do know you think it's okay to cheer people drowning.

Fuck you.

[bitchkitty]

72. Is this confusion of yours genetic, or chemically induced?

I did not cheer, not once. I wish they had not died, but they did. I didn't cause it, and I'm not celebrating it. I don't mourn those men, but I'm sorry that they died committing what I consider to be an inhuman practice.

Nobody should drown. Thankfully, most people don't go out in ice boats with the intention of bashing in the heads of helpless seal pups.

Punk.

[Magrittes Pipe]

73. I'm glad they've left our PA exchange up without deleting the subthread.

It's a shame when readers have to miss out on every "asshole," "fuck you," and "punk."

Okay, if I wrongly conflated your opinion with the disgusting shit on display throughout this thread, I apologize. Perhaps "asshole" was the wrong epithet to use; maybe "idiot" would have been better.

My issue with your post remains: whereas I don't claim being beaten to death is nice, whereas I don't support the seal hunt; the suggestion that drowning is somehow less painful and horrific than being hit in the head is a preposterous, and at best woefully misinformed view.

[LanternWaste]

75. I would think drowning...

I would think drowning would be much less mentally/emotionally traumatic. Much less painful also...

[Barrett808]

76. Personally, I'd rather drown than be clubbed until stunned, then skinned alive.

But that's just me.

[Lady President]

46. Karma. Party of three, your table's now ready

I feel sorry for their families, especially if they had children. I just don't feel bad for the sealer "hunters" at all.

[Omaha Steve]

48. (Canadian) Seal hunt turns tragic (4 Deaths switch the focus from saving seals to hunter safety )

Source: London Free Press

FREDERICTON -- Canada's seal hunt has been dominated for years by the bitter debate over saving seals, but the deaths of four hunters in the icy North Atlantic are focusing attention on the safety of sealers and the risks they take to maintain a way of life.

Seal hunters from Iles-de-la Madeleine began making their way home yesterday following a tragic accident in which a 12-metre fishing boat, L'Acadien II, capsized while being towed behind an icebreaker.

Of the six crew members on board, only two were pulled alive from the waters of the Cabot Strait.

While the accident cut short this year's hunt for people from Iles-de-la-Madeleine -- hunters left the ice floes out of respect for their lost comrades -- it's not expected to affect the much larger hunt off Newfoundland and Labrador in April.


Read more: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/National/2008/03/30/5141966-sun.html

---

This post is in memory of Marie Schwartz. Long time Omaha advocate of stopping the seal hunt!

[opihimoimoi]

49. Shit happens and no one cares...sad

[Wilms]

50. Canada keeps subsidizing the clubbing and skinning of infant seals in their nursery

Why Are We Still Hunting Seals?

Canada keeps subsidizing the clubbing and skinning of infant seals in their nursery.

By Rex Weyler
Published: April 11, 2005

snip

Hunt is government subsidized

The landed value of the Canadian Harp seal hunt is worth between $5-21 million. In the most favorable recent year of good market conditions, 2002, the landed value reached $21 million. The landed value in 2001 was $5.5 million, and last year, 2004, $16 million. Keep in mind that this gross landed value is highly subsidized. The actual net value in poor years may be zero. For political and bureaucratic reasons, the Canadian government directly subsidizes the Harp seal hunt for about $3-4 million annually, including capital costs, infrastructure, subsidized salaries, and other services.

Unaccounted subsidies include international promotion, regulation, enforcement, disrupting protests, DFO scientific studies, and so forth. The total of these subsidies remains unknown, buried in other budgets, but the industry is subsidized in Canada by $5-10 million annually, more than the gross value in some years.

snip

Although the DFO claims the hunt is part of Canada's culture, it remains simply a commercial harvest for an international fashion industry. The pelts go to the world fur markets, seal penises to the Asian aphrodisiac markets, and some seal oil and meat are consumed locally. To claim to be looking after indigenous cultures with a massive commercial seal hunt is a pretense. Never mind that Canadians decimated the indigenous Beothuk of Newfoundland. Economic and cultural arguments do not appear to remotely justify the clubbing and skinning of infant seals in their nursery on the Labrador ice floes, and the attendant disgrace of Canada worldwide.

snip

http://thetyee.ca/Views/2005/04/11/HuntingSeals/

[merwin]

51. They don't care about killing seals, but

they care when the people killing seals get killed.

Sorry if I'm not shedding too many tears over this.

[stimbox]

52. Q: What do you call 4 dead seal hunters?

A: A good start!

:rofl:

[Beaverhausen]

53. Seal hunt *turns* tragic? It always has been tragic

Tragic for the seals, of course.

[alphafemale]

54. Why the bias toward the insufferably cute animals?

adorable? absolutely.

But how does being cute make him more valuable than this guy?



And, btw, I'm a carnivore. But one fully aware of the hypocrisy of some animals being viewed as "more equal" than others.

[Wilms]

57. Because the pups are very young and killed largely for fashion. n/t

[uppityperson]

55. Dupe, here's link to disgusting thread of yesterday on this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3248014
Stop the seal hunt, but my condolences to family/friends of those who dies.

[Omaha Steve]

56. Click once a day to help save baby harp seals @ care2

http://babyseals.care2.com/





2,754 Clicks Today

More than 319,000 harp seals will be clubbed or shot to death this year in Canada. 96% of them will be less than 3 months old, and some may even be skinned alive. Your clicks support airtime for IFAW's TV campaign to build public pressure against this cruel and inhumane hunt.

I click it and the other tabs every day. Oceans, global warming, etc...

[Doctor_J]

59. "cut short this year's hunt for people"

um...freudian pun.

[Omaha Steve]

58. I missed this yesterday

Mods I'm sorry. Title search didn't bring it up. Sorry for the dupe.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. sometimes karma sucks