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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:33 AM
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CNBC: 80,000 jobs lost last month; 230,000 YTD
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:47 AM by panAmerican
Source: CNBC, Bloomberg

Edited to add:
During the first quarter of this year job losses averaged 77,000 a month, compared to average monthly gains of 76,000 in the last half of 2007, according to Keith Hall, Bureau of Labor Statistics Commissioner.



Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/23952640



Unemployment rate 5.1% UP FROM 4.8%

Bloomberg Stats:

Builders down 51,000 in March; down 37,000 in February

Service Industries up 13,000 in March; up 6,000 in February

Retail down 12,400 in March; down 46,700 in February

Financial firms down 5,000 in March; down 11,000 in February

Wall Street down 34,000 in past 9 months
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:35 AM
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1. Were Fucked..............much worse than expected.......nt.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:35 AM
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2. Soon....
The US will be a third world country. Not to worry though......we still have Iraq.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:36 AM
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3. Yep Ohio is right...
The businesses that deal with Iraq, will have profits, jobs, war, death..........
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:07 AM
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17. "We will always have Iraq." - John McCain, republicon homelander
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #17
63. Oh now you've done it!
Spoiled one of my favorite movie lines. :P :hi:
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:38 AM
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4. MSNBC..SAYS WORST IN 5 YEARS.....THE CHIMP MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY???
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:39 AM by Stuart G
Can't wait to hear what Mr. Bush says about this... maybe he can go to a ball game instead of saying anything. or chop some wood.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:41 AM
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7. Oh God, please don't let him speak
I am sure he's heavily drugged for his trip to Europe. If he opens his mouth on this subject expect it to get much worse.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:15 PM
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60. No shit. Every time he talks about the economy, the NYSE takes a dump. nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:57 PM
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47. your checks are in the mail!
he can take those checks and shove them, throwing pittance to the slaves is more like it.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:39 AM
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5. Fundamentals are sound
Probably time to change the way unemployment is calculated.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:40 AM
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6. TOJ is right too...
It is the math that is wrong, not the jobs or the economy...rearrange the math...so it looks better.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:42 AM
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8. Look for next month's report..in thread below..Motorola annonced 2500 more job cuts...
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:42 AM by Stuart G
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:09 PM
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37. ummmm yum number fudge.
Boooshco's favorite food. They just haven't figured out that it is shit on a silver tray.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:34 PM
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66. Just like Chico Marx in "The Cocoanuts"
while he kept on bidding in a land auction (even though he had no cash on him anyway):
"If he say six, I say seven. If he say seven, I say eight. If he say eight, I say nine. I got plenty numbers left." :crazy:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:42 AM
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9. Paulson must have known about this on wednesday
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:42 AM by TOJ
He delivered that pack of lies about a rebound later this year to try to head this off.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:43 AM
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10. This Is Hilarious.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:44 AM by jayfish
Job Losses May Be Fewer in March

Apr 4, 7:47 AM (ET)

WASHINGTON (AP) - Some analysts expect that today's unemployment report from the Labor Department will show fewer jobs were lost in March than in February. According to Thomson/IFR, the report should show 15,000 jobs were lost in March, which would be an improvement over the 63,000 job cut a month before.



The entire article isn't that optimistic but the headline and the first paragraph are doozies.

Jay
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:52 AM
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12. Well, that was on hour ago, and it's from AP
they're not exactly known for their objectivity or populism
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:19 AM
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22. I Also Just Read,...
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 08:19 AM by jayfish
though not from a direct source yet, that the January numbers were revised up 300%

Jay
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DemocratInSoCal Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:41 AM
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26. I LOVE Optimism
HEY, all you negative nelly's. LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE for a change!!

That Bear Stearns stock you own, went from $2/share to $10/share, in just 1 day. See? Things are not so bad as they seem.

Especially if you just ignore that little drop from $100 to $2 which preceded it. Errrrr.....Ummmmmm.....like I was saying....

Nothing to see here...move along.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:29 AM
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29. More nothing to see
And if you ignore the fact that the day the takeover was announced -- at $2 a share -- shares were selling for $4. WTF? I thought at the time. That's just stupid. Who would buy $2 stock for $4?

Then, they announced they would raise the price of the buyout and those $4 shares went briefly to $13. This means a bunch of insiders made a quick 300 percent on insider information in a matter of days.

If you are in the stock market and you're not an insider, you're an idiot.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:46 AM
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11. Let us put this into perspective..........
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:48 AM by Stuart G
We need 150,000 created.. jobs just to stay even..cause that is the number of new workers entering the work force each month.. So, given that 150,000 that are new, AND ... the 77,000 a month loss means that an additional 237,000 unemployed are being created each month..............WOW..............

............ WE ARE FUCKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:53 AM
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13. Can we now bury supply side - trickle down economics.
It doesn't work. It didn't work for papa or junior *Bush.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:28 AM
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23. Make sure you put a stake through its heart first.
They've tried to bury it before, but it keeps coming back.
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:02 AM
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14. Things are much bleaker than many realize
I can't say too much and risk outing myself, but I assure you that firms are agressively pursuing solutions that will allow them to operate with far, far fewer people in the financial industry. My advice: diversify your skills.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:30 PM
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61. Well when no one can afford to buy their cheap labor made crap
because of no job or slave wages, their profits disappear, too. That however would require long term thinking on the part of these GREEDY CORPRAT BASTARDS, something they obviously don't engage in.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:04 AM
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15. Larry Kudlow (RW Idiot):
"Recessions are a part of capitalism."

Especially if you are not affected by it. He refuses to lose his optimism.

As Bugs Bunny would say: "What a Maroon!"

Has Kudlow ever made the Top Ten Idiots list or has he been unable to overcome the competition?
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:06 AM
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16. I Beleive Thats "Ultra Maroon"
:smoke:

Jay
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:11 AM
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19. I stand corrected.
Thank you :toast:
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:14 AM
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20. Do They Even Show BB On TV Anymore?
...and I'm not talking about the baby version. I really want to introduce my chillens to the wonderfully sarcastic world of Bugs.

Jay
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:08 PM
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36. I always liked the one...
where BB is the Matador. The bull charges... BB lifts the cape at the last second to reveal the fire hydrant (conveniently placed in the arena)... CLANG!!!
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:19 AM
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28. Larry never changes his sthick day to day
It is always like "free markets are the end all and be all", or "Will the market crash because of Democrats today"? Crap like that. I used to comment on his blog, but they turned comments off.

Larry is also on the board for a mutual fund that encourages workplace discrimination (Ave Mara Mutual Funds, removing same-gender workplace benefits is a key for their investing).
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #15
33. He Reminds Me of The "Needle-Nose Prick"
that snitched on other students to brown-nose the teacher for a good grade.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:12 PM
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52. CNBC is chock full of Reaganite supply-side scum like Kudlow.
Just watch Fast Money.

It's not like ol' Lar Bear has any worries, as GE will pay him plenty to shill for the Cabal.
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:08 AM
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18. I lost mine on January 4.
However, in truth, I was fired for calling an abusive manager a "lackwit" in an e-mail.

With that said, I didn't curl up into a fetal position after my dismissal. The night I was fired, I drew up a list of 30 people and 30 companies to contact. Within two weeks, I was interviewing up to three times a week. I am now juggling three major freelance projects and am looking to do more all the time. I know things are tough all over, and I greatly sympathize with those going through the hell that is unemployment, but I personally feel my finances are on an upswing and hope this continues for me.


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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:18 AM
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21. Congrats on making the best of a bad situation. Action is the antidote to fear!
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:14 AM
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25. Thank you very much.
Networking was key to my survival. I kept in touch with people who left the company before me, and I greatly owe them all a debt of gratitude. One such fellow sent me a list of 293 people to contact for work! I barely scratched the surface with these contacts before work started coming my way. Last week, I even had to turn away a freelance job because its deadline conflicted with one project I am currently working on. The trick right now is to get through April without running myself into the dirt. Two out of my three contracts involve having Web sites launched by the end of this month. Oh, yeah, and now that I'm freelancing, I have to find time to pay quarterly taxes by the fifteenth. I'm going to lurve writing those checks.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:58 AM
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24. Save! Save! Save!
I wish I could but every month something keeps coming up (vet bills, braces, car repairs). At least I can work extra to pay for those. I feel for those that can't (and those w/o a job...even those on Wall Street)

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:39 AM
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27. Can we call it a recession yet.....
and stop the bullshit.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:40 AM
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32. Ditto..
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:30 AM
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30. Home Despot joins the depression conga line
ATLANTA (AP) -- There could be more job cuts at The Home Depot Inc. as the world's largest home improvement store chain restructures its human resources function at its stores in the U.S.

The Atlanta-based company said Friday that it notified this week about 2,200 employees who will be affected by the changes, which will be completed by May 1.

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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Meanwhile, our idiotic candidates throw their shit at each other.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 12:22 PM by ryanmuegge
While we starve.

Edit: this wasn't meant as a reply to you, sorry.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #30
54. They're why I buy my hardware at Lowe's
Home Despot is the store-of-last-resort, just like Wal-Mart. If my leg is bleeding uncontrollably and it happens to be the closest, I MIGHT go in for some duct tape.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:31 AM
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31. This makes me so much less comfortable talking to my boss about my workstation and pay
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:31 AM by RadiationTherapy
oh, wait, how lucky for these companies that employees are SO less demanding during hard times.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:54 AM
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34. Wow. It just keeps getting worse
and worse.

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:06 PM
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35. Time to throw that old "Republican's are better for the economy"
meme into the trash bin of history for once and for all. This is their depression and if and when we recover it will be the Democrats that deserve the credit just like last time.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:22 PM
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39. katrina economy
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:22 PM
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40. so at 0.3% increase per month
and if Bush continues his current, we built too many houses, going through a rough spot, the stimulus will provide correction just be patient approach. Pretty much the same approach we've taken in Iraq.

Then, that'll put the unemployment rate, theoretically of course, at 7.5%. I'll take the under, but with out a doubt, unemployment will be in the low to mid 6's by November. and will seriously mask the true unemployment picture which is or more likely in the 8-9% range not including serious underemploment that is going on.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:22 PM
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41. so at 0.3% increase per month
and if Bush continues his current, we built too many houses, going through a rough spot, the stimulus will provide correction just be patient approach. Pretty much the same approach we've taken in Iraq.

Then, that'll put the unemployment rate, theoretically of course, at 7.5%. I'll take the under, but with out a doubt, unemployment will be in the low to mid 6's by November. and will seriously mask the true unemployment picture which is or more likely in the 8-9% range not including serious underemploment that is going on.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:28 PM
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42. Jobs Slashed, Pointing to Recession
Source: Associated press

Employers Chopped 80,000 Jobs Last Month; Jobless Rate Rose to 5.1 Percent


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Employers buffeted by talk of recession slashed 80,000 jobs in March, the most in five years and the third straight month of losses.

At the same time, the national unemployment rate rose from 4.8 percent to 5.1 percent, the clearest signal yet that the economy might already be shrinking.

The new snapshot of the job market, released by the Labor Department Friday, underscored the damage that a trio of crises --in the housing, credit and financial sectors -- has inflicted on companies, jobseekers and the economy as a whole.

"The labor market has indeed turned south," said Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors. "That was the one last bastion of hope to stay out of a recession. Now the question is how deep and how long will it last?"

The unemployment rate was the highest since September 2005, when significant job losses followed the devastating blows of Gulf Coast hurricanes.....




Read more: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080404/economy.html
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:28 PM
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43. Yeeks.


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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:28 PM
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44. This is obviously good news for Rudy Guilliani!
n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-05-08 06:37 AM
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67. the house of cards is collapsing and I see it getting worse for a while
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080405/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy


Huge job losses set off recession alarms

By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP Economics Writer 53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - It's no longer a question of recession or not. Now it's how deep and how long. Workers' pink slips stacked ever higher in March as jittery employers slashed 80,000 jobs, the most in five years, and the national unemployment rate climbed to 5.1 percent. Job losses are nearing the staggering level of a quarter-million this year in just three months.

For the third month in a row total U.S. employment rolls shrank — often a telltale sign that the economy has jolted dangerously into reverse.

At the same time, the jobless rate rose three-tenths of a percentage point, a sharp increase usually associated with times of deep economic stress.
<snip>



Old Georgie's done his job... it takes a while to destroy a great economy and country - he's doing a spectacular job. This country could be on the ground convulsing by the time dumya gets out - what an embarrassment any person is who would vote for the sitting party in the white house after this fine display...
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:31 PM
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45. my company laid off 15% of its workforce this week
and the word is there is more to come next month :(
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:58 PM
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48. Wow, I feel so bad for your former co-workers. Are you hedging your bets by looking for a new job?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:48 PM
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46. Time to eat the rich. nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:00 PM
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49. exactly, that is where all the good food will be.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:08 PM
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50. Not to worry. It's all part of the master plan.
We have to melt off all these jobs now, you see, so's we can miraculously add them back this summer, just in time for McClown to point to the great repuke economic success fish tale story.

No, seriously, I just heard some sock puppet talking about how the economy was about to add half a million jobs later this year. :rofl:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:10 PM
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51. This is all just liberal propaganda
Our Dear Leader says the economy is robust, and we know he's THE standard of honestly, surpassing both George Washington and Abe Lincoln combined!

But just to piss of the liberals, I'm going to get another credit cars and max it out buying high-quality Chinese-made merchandise!

See how strong the economy is???
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 01:47 PM
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53. The Second Republican Great Depression begins
And for almost all of the same reasons.

The deregulation frenzy of the 80s and 90s has brought us this and, I would argue, Congress' repeal in 1999 of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 which was signed into law by none other than President Bill Clinton. This opened the entire money trough to the pigs on Wall Street.

Phil Gramm authored the act that repealed Glass-Steagall. He is now John McCain's chief economic adviser. And that is why, no matter which Democrat gets the nomination, I will vote for that person. If we let McCain become the President, the U.S. will become a Third World economy.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:36 PM
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55. Home Depot Self-Checkout
"let them eat cake" ...errr.. ahhh.. I mean... Repuglican Translation: "Let them check out their own damm order and we'll pocket the difference"

Nardelli out at Home Depot
No. 1 home improvement retailer gives ex-CEO $210 million package



Home Depot CEO Robert Nardelli stepped down amid growing criticism from shareholders over his compensation.

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:58 PM
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65. It's the Republican Enron economy.
1. Golden Parachutes For (criminal) Execs.
2. Worthless papers for shareholders (not insiders).
3. Starvation for the workers.

The three standard priorities of the Reaganblican Enron economy.
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lenegal Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:41 PM
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56. HM
I have been out of work for 6 months and my benefits are about to expire.

Job cuts, gas price raises, who could really ask for anything more?

If I did not joke, I would lose it.

There are not enough words in the dictionary to describe George Bush.

Maybe the Antichrist is the word I was looking for.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 04:44 PM
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59. What are you going to do after the benefits ran out?
Just be curious...
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:57 PM
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57. So if the "fixed" number is now 5.1%...
what is the REAL unemployment rate? 10.2%, 15.4%?:shrug:

It varies by region, but I'd say it's around 15% in my area seeing as Detroit, and Flint, MI are the only places supposedly with higher unemployment.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 03:46 PM
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58. BLS puts U6 at about 9.1% . . .
Surprised that that's not the number they use in the news release?

Me neither . . .

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:35 PM
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62. This is suspicious too
I bet U6 is North of 10% in reality
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 07:17 PM
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64. A huge lot of this is simply outsourcing labor to other countries.
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 07:17 PM by superconnected
I suspect companies are scared they won't be able to if a dem gets in and changes things so that's why we are seeing this during an election year.

Usually elections years have the economy looking good because people have hope that things will change for the better if their candidate wins - and by people I mean big corporations and investors.
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