McCain-Rice team would lead among New Yorkers, poll says

[ShockediSay]

Source: Reuters

NEW YORK - More New York voters would support a Republican ticket of John McCain and Condoleezza Rice than a Democratic ticket of Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton as the vice presidential candidate, a survey said on Wednesday.

The match-up of McCain, the Republican Party’s presumptive presidential nominee, and Rice, the U.S. Secretary of State, earned the support of 49 percent of registered New York voters surveyed in a WNBC/Marist Poll.

Read more: http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/04/09/mccain-rice-team-would-lead-among-new-yorkers-poll-says/

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I bet not, not NY for four more Bush years.

I bet this has something to do with the recent takeover of Reuters,
and Funded Fascism plying propaganda.

The Nixon era and the likes of Donald Segretti taught us how
"polls" can be rigged.

[Olney Blue]

1. Doesn't make sense.

[muryan]

23. Most national polls have skewed numbers at this point

Mostly from people who support Obama/Clinton claiming that they would support the person running against their candidate, knowing that it will affect national polling data and possibly make their candidate look better by comparison. McCain got a sizable boost in the polls once we locked up the nomination, i don't see why it would be different for our side.

[Dover]

24. Do people actually believe that McCain has the widespread appeal that "polls" suggest?

Of course he doesn't, but people seem to let polls think and shape reality for them, as though polling has remained some untouched bastion of uncompromising truth amidst all the evidence for blatant propaganda in other media sources. Does anyone think the power of polls as a tool to persuade and manipulate perceptions were somehow overlooked by those in power? Though exit polls have yet to be completely eliminated, they have managed to undermine their results as well.
What polls like this tell me is that they are, once again, trying to create the appearance of a 'tight race'. Easier to manipulate the outcome.

I guess two stolen elections still hasn't changed the love of the game for folks, regardless of
whether or not it's 'real'. Has anything changed since the last two 'selections'?




Rollerball anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollerball_(1975_film)

[muryan]

39. Well I would argue that he has a lot of appeal

across the political spectrum. But thinking that his appeal will keep him in the race when faced with either democratic candidate in the GE is somewhat of a pipe dream

[niceypoo]

51. Which he counters with his own "Bush clone" policies

[niceypoo]

50. A few well crafted commercials would stop them dead...

...in their tracks. This is a typical republican reaction. They just don't understand race in this country, their running Keyes against Obama is a good example of this. To them, all they see is the skin color, character or substance don't matter to them.

[opihimoimoi]

2. Its all part of the GOP Scam......

[ShockediSay]

47. The "Maverick" ... do we need another cowboy

in the saddle?!?

[opihimoimoi]

49. Them Mav's have fucked us long enough with crappy decisions and policies

Fuck Mav leaders....look at the evidence all around us....

[Mojambo]

3. Not in a million years. n/t

[Double T]

4. The recent events and revelations regarding NY Governors............

has NOT helped the Democratic Party; there once again is a 'good' reason to HATE Democrats. The Democratic Party CONTINUES in the self-destruct mode with NO hope or change in sight.

[MadMaddie]

6. So the Democratic party has 1 for every10 Republican

sex scandel.

No the Democratic party is just fine. The media focuses on Dems not Republicans.

[Historic NY]

21. So far the effect has been minimal, the budget passed...

and its barely mentioned unless its a Murdock paper.

[MadMaddie]

5. Yawn...I call bullshit...

[Muttocracy]

7. I don't buy it - my response earlier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5439742&mesg_id=5440052

and

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5439742&mesg_id=5440088

[madrchsod]

8. another dumb poll

[jzodda]

9. no way

This is nonsense. Its probably because we don't have a nominee first off. Next Clinton is our Senator and there are probably people who are angry she won't be getting the nomination. I think you come back and re-poll a month after we have our nominee and we will be ahead by at least 10 points.

All these polls before we even have a nominee are beyond stupid. We need to sort things out first and then we shall start to see polls that are meaningful.

[fshrink]

10. They probably thought it was a new entree.

[Clear Blue Sky]

11. I thought she wanted to be NFL Commissioner?

[klook]

12. Ri-i-i-ight...

and Obama-Clinton would win Mississippi, too!

[Kelvin Mace]

13. Obviously this was before

it came out that Rice was an active, willing and enthusiastic participant in the torture orders.

Frau Doktor Rice would probably put McCain in a cage if he displeased her.

[zalinda]

14. And, again dems are in denial

McCain doesn't not seem as scary as people on the board want to believe. He comes across as sane, saner than Bush. He has the media behind him, and add a black woman to the mix, maybe unbeatable.

I have said all along that Obama or Clinton should have gone for VP, because it would have been more acceptable. But, you guys wanted your "historic" race, well, you got it. After the worst disaster of a President ever, we are more than likely to get another repub as President.

zalinda

[boilinmad]

34. Wow.....

...if what you say has even a SHRED of truth, the american people really are stupider than i could ever imagine...McCain is as scary AND stupid as the current pResident, and if the population doesnt see that, then i suppose they deserve 4 more years of idiocy. I used to shake my head in disbelief wondering how W got even a single vote in either of the two elections. Now, the fact that anyone, ANYONE, would look at McCain and see a viable candidate, is beyond my scope of thinking. I just dont get it.

[scarface2004]

15. you gotta be efffing kidding me!

is it april 1?!?!

[Melynn]

22. No it's April 10th

Which is why I don't take this poll seriously. It's a long time between now and November. People aren't thinking about the general election right now. When they start to think seriously about the election, McCain/Rice will have no chance.

[Javaman]

16. I love when the poll the wino's and drug addicts on the bowery. :) nt

[Runcible Spoon]

28. upstate hillbilly militias more likely...

we've got a lot of them upstate and even though a lot went Dem last time around they're a fickle lot and for obvious reasons they're not likely to vote for a woman or a man of color. However, those intrepid pollers must have had a lot of moxy to get to them to poll them; having been threatened at gunpoint while accidentally tresspassing on a trailride, I know they don't take kindly to strangers, even if it's cute girls on horses!

[gauguin57]

17. Pardon me while I

:puke:

Ridiculous.

[Alcibiades]

18. If there is a problem, it's not with Reuters

The poll itself has nothing to do with Reuters, but is a WNBC/Marist College poll, which means it is probably run by the two professors credited at the Marist Poll website and funded by WNBC (just a guess there, not interested enough to check on that). The point is that it's not Reuters who's responsible for the poll.

The pollsters' press release is at http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/nyspolls/GV080409.htm

A very, very strange poll to run. There are no obvious reasons why they picked these tickets to poll on. They polled 574 respondents, which means that this poll should be within 4%, 95% of the time. This could well be one of those cases wherein the actual result is outside the margin of error. More than likely, however, is that these tickets are non-starters to begin with. McCain is not going to shore up his shabby relationship with the evangelical base of the Republican party by picking a former Democrat, and he's also not helped by picking someone who's never held elected office, and also she's a foreign policy expert, which is supposed to be "his" area (as laughable as that is) and so brings nothing to the table there. And Obama-Clinton? That won't happen for about a million reasons.

They did poll on how McCain-Lieberman would do against Obama-Clinton, and Clinton-Obama, and McCain loses both of those matchups. It is strange Reuters said nothing at all about that result.

I also think it's simply a reflection of how bitter this contest is, as the Marist Pollsters opined in their press release. There seems to be a 6% dropoff in the percentage of registered Democrats in NY who go for McCain if the nominee is Obama rather than Clinton. I think that, consistent with the more bitter contested primaries in the past, even these folks will not push the lever for McCain in November when push comes to shove. (also, even though the numbers happen to be the same, this particular bit of the results would be highly unreliable, as the margin of error for these within-sample groups of respondents would be pretty darn big--about 6%, assuming half the respondents were Democrats).

When the choice is simply McCain v Clinton or McCain v. Obama, the result is, as the Clinton campaign likes to say, a statistical tie (though this is, of course, technically incorrect when referring to actual polls of the population at the polls rather than samples of the population by pollsters).

It's a minor point, but I also don't like the way the Marist Poll reports some of their poll results here. They reify their results by reporting them as if they were measuring the population itself, not a sample. A strange mistake to make, since they seem to do a fine job otherwise. Anyone who has their own CATI lab should know better--maybe the results were written up for the press by a grad student?

For what it's worth, I really, very sincerely doubt that this poll was rigged in any way. A real poll, as done by actual political scientists, tries to measure the population accurately, not to introduce inaccuracies that support their own presuppositions. This would appear to me to be a real poll.

[ckramer]

19. Obama-Gore

How about that?

[Historic NY]

20. Crazy more registered Dems than Pukes......

Dems are now one seat from taking over the State Senate they have the Assembly. I don't know where they asked, maybe Monroe County.

[JDPriestly]

25. Months ago, it was evident from the polls that the only

Democrat who could beat McCain was John Edwards. Well, all of you out there are going to have some explaining to do if the Democrat loses in November. I posted the poll numbers many, many times on DU. Edwards was our best candidate and our best bet to win in November. We goofed. Or, more accurately, you goofed. I voted for Edwards and I still support him.

[Plucketeer]

26. More Elephant Crap.

Probably the circus is back in town and it's star clowns - John & Condi - are trying to drum up big crowds!

:crazy:

[happygoluckytoyou]

27. BULLSHIT MEDIA SETTING UP THE BALLOT FUCKING

hooray for JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN... hooray for JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN... hooray for JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN... hooray for JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN... hooray for JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN... hooray for JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN... hooray for JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN...

[Vidar]

29. Personally, I hope McCain does saddle himself with that despicable piece of bush baggage.

[elleng]

30. I took a quick look at the Reuters 'takeover,'

and can't tell whether the poll and/or result has anything to do with it. I wrote to say that those who took the poll probably had little time to consider the questions and answers.

WORTHLESS

[autorank]

31. Total bull shit.

This fails the rational human being of facsimile test.

This is nonsense.

An August 2006 poll by Zogby of New Yorkers found that 40% of the state and 50% of New York City
thought that White House higher ups knew in advance of 911 and did nothing. August 2006. So
NYC with about 40% of the states population and the rest of the state just forgot this opinion
of RICE and the other higher ups and now embrace her along with a guy who is so right wing by now
you can't even recognize him.

Who do they think that they're kidding.

[deacon]

32. Warmonger/War Criminal 2008! n/t

[leftynyc]

33. There is no way this poll is accurate

Did they only poll upstate?

[Virginia Dare]

35. N.F.W.

Does McCain really want to go out and defend Condi and the Bush Admin. every single day? I'd love to see it happen, but there's no way in hell that it ever will.

[AzDar]

36. Priming the proverbial pump for another theft, me thinks.

:tinfoilhat:

[underpants]

37. Well lookee who was McCain campaign co-chair in Orange County in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Segretti

[Dover]

40. Great find!

I wonder what an even more thorough investigation of his activities would uncover, re: polls.

Segretti was a lawyer who served as a prosecutor for the military and later as a civilian. However, his license was suspended for two years following his conviction. In 1995, he ran for a local judgeship in Orange County, California. However, he quickly withdrew from the race when his campaign awakened lingering anger over his involvement in the Watergate scandal. In 2000, Segretti served as co-chair of John McCain's presidential campaign in Orange County, California.

[DebbieCDC]

41. THE Donald Segretti?

He of the famous "rat fucking" quote from Watergate? (What the College Rethuglicans called sliming their opponents in collegiate elections -- before they moved on to the real world).

Well, McInsane sure picked himself a dandy guy to align with. Know a person by the company they keep.

[underpants]

43. Karl Rove was Segretti's protege during the 1972 Nixon campaign.

from the wikipedia link

[still_one]

38. Bullshit, after what bush and company have done the last 8 years, no way

Where do I start:

1. The Iraq War
2. The Supreme Court
3. The economy
4. Social Security
5. Medicare
6. Jobs
7. Environment


There is no way that New York will vote for a continuation of the bush plicies, especially after what this administration did to take care of the rescuers at 9/11

[NJSecularist]

42. Obama wins by 15%+

Hillary wins by 20%+.

This poll is complete crap.

[KamaAina]

44. Reuters: Biased much?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080408/pl_nm/iraq_usa_petraeus_dc_12

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress on Tuesday he plans to stop U.S. troop withdrawals in July due to fragile security gains and heard appeals for quicker action to find a way to end the war....

The unflappable Petraeus, dressed in a medal-bedecked uniform, and the urbane Crocker faced tough questioning and critical comments all day long. Even Republicans sounded frustrated by the pace of progress in Iraq.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

Worst. Journalism. Ever. That makes Faux News look like, well, news. :eyes:

[Divine Discontent]

45. sure they would.. wow, what a ridiculous poll

58-42 at the min. for Obama/Clinton in NY. I hope it's someone other than Clinton however, because, in states like FL/NC/CO that would be somewhat close to what we'd lose by.

[mdmc]

46. This poll is wrong

No way the dems lose NYS in 2008. We could run Obama's shot up corpse and still win.

[zonkers]

48. Yeah, watch that pool flip when Condi and John start debating.

[Mad_Dem_X]

52. I can't see the good people of NY going for this

No way would they want four more years of Repuke rule. I call bullshit.