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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:10 AM
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Husband of slain mother sues Fla. agency
Source: Associated press

PUNTA GORDA, Fla. - The husband of a 21-year-old mother who was kidnapped, raped and killed plans to sue a sheriff's office that he says botched the investigation.
Nathan Lee blames Charlotte County sheriff's officials for not saving Denise Lee in January.

Four 911 calls tipped authorities to Lee's struggle. Three were from Lee herself. Another caller said she saw a child screaming and banging on a car window. The caller was actually describing Lee, but no deputies were sent to look for the car.





Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_re_us/woman_abducted;_ylt=AinJ0PqkUNSCJiJgHQH.soVvzwcF



:eyes:
Usually I only see this level of stupidity and incomptence.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:16 AM
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1. This was the one where the dispatcher was distracted by others
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 11:17 AM by Ilsa
trying to talk to her while she was taking tha call, right? She then forgot about the call.

Shit, she should have yelled for everyone to be quiet with a call like that coming through. Someone was trying to help that mother and the sheriff's office blew it. I think some training is in order, also.

On edit: Three calls were from Lee herself? Holy Moses, how could they screw that up?
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:28 AM
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2. Good luck with that
It was tragic but the police do not have a responsibility to protect and save you from harm. Don't see this going any where.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:45 AM
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3. "To protect and serve"
And if they don't then why in the hell do we need them.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:47 AM
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4. Somebody has to generate revenue via...
Traffic citations.

I was wondering why that phrase stopped appearing on 'Department of Public Safety' (DPS) vehicles.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 11:51 AM
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5. Good question
I would guess to clean up after the crime has been commited.

http://publicrights.org/Kennesaw/PoliceResponsibility.html

Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."
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pdefalla Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:15 PM
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6. HOWEVER,
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 12:16 PM by pdefalla
If there is a crime in progress, and the police fail to act, and you are damaged thereby, then there is negligence. This is not a matter of police withholding protection for someone, it is a matter of them not doing their job.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:25 PM
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9. If the police see a crime being commited,
they are required to intervene. If the police fail to respond to a crime in progress call, they can't be held responsible.
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Randomthought Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:16 PM
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7. Domestic Violence
The domestic violence laws must be a special case then.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:29 PM
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10. Type of crime has no bearing
The police respond to most, if not all crime reports. If something happens to you if they don't, you can't sue them for damages.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:22 PM
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8. Their only responsibility
Is to put callers on hold and finish off the box of donuts in the break room, right?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:31 PM
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11. Need I point out that this happened in florida
Only in Florida...
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:33 PM
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13. No, not only in Florida. I've heard tales from all over the country of 911 dropping the ball.
It is a very stressful job, and mistakes happen, but some mistakes are egregious. This one was and others have been (from other states, no less) too.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 12:34 PM
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12. Here's the slimeball who is charged with the murder
And the evidence of his (Michael King's) guilt is pretty overwhelming.




911 calls from Michael King's relatives released

SARASOTA COUNTY - Just minutes before Jane Kowalski called 911 to report what turned out to be Denise Amber Lee in Michael King's Camaro, the Sarasota County 911 center received 2 separate calls from relatives of King. Those calls were just released.

Sabrina Muxlow was contacted by her father Harold right after Michael King stopped at his home with a woman tied up in the back of his car. The minute the conversation with her father was over, she called 911.

Dispatch: "Yes, what's the problem?"
Sabrina Muxlow: "I just got a call from my dad, and his cousin came over to his house with a girl in the car, and she was tied up, and the girl came out of like got out of the car, and like my dad's cousin went an put her back in the car."

After offering up the street on which her father lived, Sabrina releases the most disturbing information of the call.

Dispatch: "Where would he be going with this female?"
Sabrina Muxlow: "Um, he came over to my dad's house, borrowed a shovel, a gas tank, and something else."


http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=8149841&nav=menu577_2_1
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 03:41 PM
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14. I want to know if the
man who made the second phone call, the killer's cousin, is going to be prosecuted. Couldn't he have whacked the asshole over the head, or done something to try and save her? King asked for a shovel and gasoline, for God's sake! He was suspicious enough to call the police after they left. Maybe he was scared, but still.

It sounds to me like a combination of poorly trained emergency personnel and a case of too little, too late. Poor woman, I hope she's in a better place now.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:25 AM
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15. SCOTUS says government is not obligated to protect an individual unless she/he is in custody.
Self defense is a personal problem and in general a potential victim can decide a priori to submit to the criminal or to keep and bear arms to defend herself/himself against the criminal.

The issue of keeping arms for self-defense is the issue in D.C. v. Heller that SCOTUS heard on 18 March 2008 and a decision is expected in June.

The question posed in the case is:
Whether the following provisions—D.C. Code §§ 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02—violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other fire-arms for private use in their homes?

Other briefs submitted for D.C. v. Heller can be found at http://dcguncase.com/blog/case-filings/
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