'World peace' hitcher is murdered

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

An Italian woman artist who was hitch-hiking to the Middle East dressed as a bride to promote world peace has been found murdered in Turkey.

The naked body of Giuseppina Pasqualino di Marineo, 33, known as Pippa Bacca, was found in bushes near the city of Gebze on Friday.

She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.

Turkish police say they have detained a man in connection with the killing.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7344381.stm

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How sad, and what a bad sign for the world.

[High Plains]

1. Wow. The headline about says it all. What a world.

[Shae]

2. That's horrible.

"She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people."
I guess that she was proved wrong.
So sad.

[shadowknows69]

3. Unbelievable and yet it was inevitable wasn't it?

Maybe the dream of peace is just a dream after all.

[Faygo Kid]

4. My thoughts exactly.

We live in a cruel world getting meaner every day.

[Teaser]

18. Of course it's a dream

humans are bastards. We just have to try and minimize and control the damage we create.

[catrose]

36. Dunno if it was

Peace Pilgrim walked over the U.S. for almost 30 years. She died in a car crash--someone had offered her a ride. I guess you could say "but it was another era" and "but it was in her own country" and other "buts."

Her message: "This is the way of peace: Overcome evil with good, falsehood with truth, and hatred with love."

http://www.peacepilgrim.net/FoPP/index.html

[shadowknows69]

37. Honestly I did not know about her

Thank you.

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[femrap]

6. hate women much?

and this from a supposed 'progressive.' What a asshole you are. Consider removing a couple of your ribs....you'll be happier and god knows the world will be.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

14. The poster is actually a woman.

[Teaser]

19. that means nothing

Of all the people I've met who've "hated women" it was one singularly evil woman who had the most hate for her own sex.

Thankfully she lives far away now.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

31. The person I responded to mentioned "ribs."

I thought that was a Biblical reference to Adam.

[femrap]

38. So?

Lots of women hate other women....traditionally, our culture has taught young girls not to trust other women....they are 'competition' for the guys.

As a youth in a more civilized time, we hitch hiked often.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. I guess I misunderstood your "rib" comment.

I thought of Adam and that you were inferring the poster was a man.

[femrap]

42. You were right...I thought

the poster was a man...so the 'rib comment.' But that doesn't mean that women can't be misogynists.

The 'rib comment' has nothing to do with Adam....more to do with Eddie Murphy and Marilyn Manson...?

Specifically Eddie's 'Raw' concert.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

43. Ah.

Thanks.

[femrap]

44. Your welcome.

I still believe that rib removal for many could lead to world peace...better than that little blue pill.

:evilgrin:

Hope you don't take offense. Lots of folks think it's a decent idea. :thumbsup: but I could be wrong.

[roguevalley]

47. I wasn't aware that our culture taught us that. I didn't get the memo.

God, and all along I was taught to trust people until they didn't earn it. I can remember the hitchhiking though. We did until a friend picked up a guy with a bag that had his friend's head in it.

[femrap]

48. Maybe you were one of the lucky ones....

I was as well. But many of my friends told me of the lessons they were told...'It's a competition!'

[roguevalley]

52. that is sad. the world is tough but never should a person give up

their humanity. peace, hon.

[acmavm]

7. I certainly hope not.

[Shoedogg]

8. No. Just you. n/t

[uppityperson]

9. That nasty statement falls right in line with this story.

Thank you for showing so clearly that some people are not worthy trust or respect.

[Divine Discontent]

10. are you having a bad day aquart?

this seems extremely insensitive and evil sounding. the smartass response back to you is, killed any women in your past?, but I just wanna know, why such a nasty comment with a further nasty comment in the body of your post?

[Occulus]

13. thanks for letting me know who said it

The username was all I needed to hear. All I see is 'Ignored'... now I know why.

[Divine Discontent]

17. oh goodness.. you're like me

you're welcome, more should put the user name in their response so people who have them on ignore know who said it, so they can say, oh yeah, they said it!
her post was like, she had it coming and does she expect to become a saint for her egocentric action, blah blah, I can't believe it's real.... but... that's why they're on ignore (and are on mine now also), as I have other people there, and when I see a bunch of people questioning a comment being disgusting, I laugh and say, one of my ignored people is still annoying people!

[MH1]

32. I'll second that

Whenever I see such a subthread I'm slightly tempted to clear my ignore list to view the trainwreck, but usually I just feel vindicated in my use of the ignore function.

[Book Lover]

12. Where'd that come from?

What did she do to you except maybe challenge some of your assumptions on how people operate?

How you can figuratively stand over a woman's corpse and insult her is truly beyond me. If you saw her body, would you have the stones to say those words out loud?

[frebrd]

15. I wouldn't call her all those things....

just delusional and naive.

[bluerum]

16. You are on you own there bud. Have a nice life.

[Teaser]

20. Why not try and finish her journey for her?

good luck.

[Canuckistanian]

21. Whoa. That was harsh.

Did she run over your dog or something?

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. Nobody

[abq e streeter]

23. yes, I hope no one else calls her those names.

I've read many of your posts and agree with your point of view very often. I'm baffled at the hate you just expressed against someone who gave their life trying to be a witness for peace.

[Forrest Greene]

24. Yeah, I Have To Agree

You are one contemptible, cowardly asshole.

[DeSwiss]

25. No she's not a saint....

...and I must say I'm surprised by your comment. I know you're upset though. And it seems a waste. She was an artist trying to bring attention to our larger problems and the need for world peace, and got caught-up in our everyday problems and became a victim of a crime instead.

If anything, I'll give her credit for putting her beliefs into actions -- something that most of us don't, or won't take the time to do. No, she's no saint. There are no saints. There's just us down here killing each other in everyway we can think of....

"No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee."

John Donne, Devotions

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[Ellen Forradalom]

26. People depend on the kindness of local people every single day

She had one incidence of exceptionally shitty luck.

The criminal is always responsible for his crime.

[nachoproblem]

30. Nope, I still blame the World.

Sure it was dumb, but what she did was also incredibly brave. Few of us can say even that much about anything we do. Most of the things I do are not only dumb but also cowardly and inconsequential. As for the world, "it" is still accountable for "its" choices.

[subsuelo]

34. you'll likely find company with Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage

so don't fret about being alone too much

[rasputin1952]

11. And the world loses one more person to the god that is greed...

Sadly, there are many throughout this world that can never leave others alone., psychopaths and sociopaths abound...but there are always people that hold true to the hope that can help change a small part of this world.

May she RIP with the knowledge that rather than just talk or type on the net, she actually attempted to make a change.

[MADem]

27. I feel sorry for her family, but what a fucking idiot.

Just because it's a "foreign" country doesn't mean that there aren't "bad neighborhoods."

Her FIRST mistake was separating from her travelling companion. There's always safety in numbers.

I'd infer, from the information articulated in the article, that robbery and perhaps rape were the motive:

Ms di Marineo was hitch-hiking from Milan to Lebanon with a fellow artist on their "Brides on Tour" project.

They had separated in Istanbul, planning to reunite in Beirut. ...An Italian embassy official told the Associated Press news agency police tracked the man when he put a new SIM card into Ms di Marineo's mobile phone.

Local media identified the suspect only by the initials MK and said he had a previous conviction for theft.

[raystorm7]

28. Never trust in anyone traveling by yourself especially as a woman. That is just beyond naive.

Sad story though :(

[smitty]

29. Hitching your way through a foreign country where you don't

speak the language and are not familiar with the local conditions and mores is always risky, often dangerous. It's extra dangerous if you're alone and a woman.

[pitohui]

41. and yet women travel alone all over the world as solo travelers

i would say that there is quite a large contingent of older women who travel alone in countries where they don't know the language (you can't possibly know EVERY language of EVERY country where you might travel, that isn't how it works)

i travel alone frequently and i travel to places where i don't speak the language at times

you just can't live your life in fear, with the attitude that, well, i can't do anything alone without someone holding my hand because i'm a woman

you learn by going where you have to go

most people aren't out to kill you, and most countries don't have the violent crime rate of the usa

that said, i don't hitch rides in any country, but in many parts of the world it is a much more accepted away of getting around than it is in the usa, we don't realize how much we isolate ourselves because of our high crime rate and our inability to get control of our violent crime

i'm telling you, women travel alone all over the world, every day, most of them don't get murdered and brutalized, that's why the story is NEWS instead of on the back pages, what happened to this woman is very rare and very sad

you do have to be cautious but you can't live your life waiting to travel somewhere or to follow your dream until someone else can come along and hold your hand

i know several women who have traveled to turkey (and plan to do so myself when i get the opportunity) and their experiences were overwhelmingly positive

[nachoproblem]

33. How like a surrealist sitcom.

At this point the characters would put on a big shit-eating grin, shrug their shoulders, roll their eyes, and say, "That's our World!" Then, rimshot.

:puke:

[CADEMOCRAT7]

35. how tragic...

I am sorry for her family. It is sad that as an Italian woman walking for peace, she could not make it. Be it man or woman, Rory Stewart is one of the only foreigners who can walk through the Middle East.

[pitohui]

40. what a sad story

it's the kind of thing you expect to have happen if you hitch a ride in the usa but you always hear that turkey is such a friendly country

of course there are bad apples anywhere and bad luck anywhere

what a shame that such a bold adventure should come to such a sad end

[solinvictus]

45. Well...

..it was very naive (to put it politely )to undertake such a journey.

[UndertheOcean]

46. Ok , I am sick to my stomach now

Many humanity deserves to go instinct.

[unkachuck]

49. that's truly a shame....

....someone walking for world peace becomes a target for violence....we are a revolting species....

....she reminds me of Peace Pilgrim....

http://www.peacepilgrim.org/htmfiles/mdppbio.htm


....bless all who walk the talk and put their faith in the stars....

[zonkers]

50. Here is a very nice picture of Pippa.

[Trajan]

51. The Idealist inside me screams for justice ....

The Realist shrugs in bitter recognition ....

[tom_paine]

53. A symbolic tragedy, a direct statement on the future of humanity.

Beyond the very real, far more important grief felt by her family and friends.

They could carve this story in letters 100 ft. tall on the side of the Grand Canyon, it so perfectly mirrors humanity's likely future epitaph.

[Dutch]

54. A sad loss. I don't know if it's 'a bad sign for the world' though.

Most people are kind and can be trusted. But it only takes one who can't to create a tragedy, and while it is both tragic and deplorable, it's ultimately not enormously surprising that on a journey like this she ultimately encountered such a one.